foxfanazer Posted 1 October 2021 Posted 1 October 2021 If they play with anywhere near the energy and purpose they did against Spurs this could be really ugly for us. We just look slow, lethargic and bereft of any ideas. Needs to change it soon
StanSP Posted 1 October 2021 Posted 1 October 2021 4 hours ago, trabuch said: You can always rely on utLF (to remind us of how shit we've been and where fans should expect us to be) I love it. Its instant perspective. We're the best we've ever been and yes the football could be better, along with results, but it's been seriously and significantly worse several times before. 1
Matt Posted 1 October 2021 Posted 1 October 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, trabuch said: You can always rely on utLF (to remind us of how shit we've been and where fans should expect us to be) He was often accused of an agenda against Puel (As was I), I stuck up for him because I had the same views as him, there was no agenda as far as I was concerned. The things he's listed had happened before the time so why not happy clap back then? However what we're seeing now is stinking the place out just as bad, yet he won't have a bad word said. I'd be contradicting myself or be a hypocrite if I said anything else. Perhaps people's accusations of an agenda were correct. Edited 1 October 2021 by Matt 4
An Sionnach Posted 1 October 2021 Posted 1 October 2021 We have only been hammered once this season( with ten men). Every other match has been close. This will almost certainly be the same. I wouldn't be surprised if we get a draw or even a scrappy victory.
fox_up_north Posted 1 October 2021 Posted 1 October 2021 Palace seem to be gaining traction under Viera and moving forward. Can't see us doing well.
Devonfox1884 Posted 1 October 2021 Posted 1 October 2021 Kasper Ricardo Evans Soyuncu Castagne Tielemans Soumare Lookman Nacho Barnes Vardy Possibly a player light in central midfield, but fuch it - just attack them!
filbertway Posted 1 October 2021 Posted 1 October 2021 Hard to see past a Palace win here. Depends if Rodgers admits he's getting it wrong or not I suppose. Personnel aren't the main issue, its the way they're being deployed. 2
StanSP Posted 1 October 2021 Posted 1 October 2021 6 minutes ago, Matt said: He was often accused of an agenda against Puel, I stuck up for him because I had the same views as him, there was no agenda as far as I was concerned. The things he's listed had happened before the time so why not happy clap back then? However what we're seeing now is stinking the place out just as bad, yet he won't have a bad word said. Perhaps people's accusations of an agenda were correct. Perhaps it's because Rodgers has earnt that time to turn it around in terms of results? 'stinking the place out just as bad'? I think you need to look at the situations comparatively once again. Is this as bad as losing out on the playoffs in 2013? As bad as we were under Taylor? I really think not. If fans really do think or feel like we're bad now as we were back then, then I worry for them more than I do the club right now. 1
alanf0x Posted 1 October 2021 Posted 1 October 2021 After playing the reserves last night, important that we get the 3 points on Sunday, or they may as well have gone full strength last night. Kasper Ricky P Evans (liability Dan if injured) Soyuncu Bertrand Youri Poor mans wilf Madders Barnes Vardy Lookman Attack and win this one 2-1
Matt Posted 1 October 2021 Posted 1 October 2021 2 minutes ago, StanSP said: Perhaps it's because Rodgers has earnt that time to turn it around in terms of results? 'stinking the place out just as bad'? I think you need to look at the situations comparatively once again. Is this as bad as losing out on the playoffs in 2013? As bad as we were under Taylor? I really think not. If fans really do think or feel like we're bad now as we were back then, then I worry for them more than I do the club right now. That's not what i'm comparing it to though is it, I'm comparing the times between Puel and Rodgers. The 2 things you've listed and other things hes listed were worse than Puel's time aswell, yet there was problems from him and me, I never seen him listing those things or telling us how far we'd come then though. Regardless of earning time to turn things around you can be objective, comment on what we're seeing can be mentioned, parrallels can be drawn and I struggle to accept he has so many issues under Puel but is happy to clap what we're witnessing now (And have been for quite a while).
StanSP Posted 1 October 2021 Posted 1 October 2021 3 minutes ago, Matt said: That's not what i'm comparing it to though is it, I'm comparing the times between Puel and Rodgers. The 2 things you've listed and other things hes listed were worse than Puel's time aswell, yet there was problems from him and me, I never seen him listing those things or telling us how far we'd come then though. Regardless of earning time to turn things around you can be objective, comment on what we're seeing can be mentioned, parrallels can be drawn and I struggle to accept he has so many issues under Puel but is happy to clap what we're witnessing now (And have been for quite a while). I don't think it's happy clapping. It's just perhaps not agreeing that we're as bad as Puel as you so regularly repeat. Puel dragged us down and didn't take us in the direction we wanted to go in. I agree the football could be better under Rodgers - we've seen it, and perhaps that's where more of the disappointment lies because we know and have seen how good we can be under him. There's a difference between 'happy clapping' and acknowledging we should stick with Rodgers and allow him time to turn things around with the squad he has built/is building. 3
filbertway Posted 1 October 2021 Posted 1 October 2021 6 minutes ago, StanSP said: I don't think it's happy clapping. It's just perhaps not agreeing that we're as bad as Puel as you so regularly repeat. Puel dragged us down and didn't take us in the direction we wanted to go in. I agree the football could be better under Rodgers - we've seen it, and perhaps that's where more of the disappointment lies because we know and have seen how good we can be under him. There's a difference between 'happy clapping' and acknowledging we should stick with Rodgers and allow him time to turn things around with the squad he has built/is building. This isn't a slight on Rodgers but I'm not convinced that he's having much of a say in the signings. I think we have a way we want the club to operate and will bring in signings based on that. Generally signing young players that aren't quite ready for an elite club and peppering in a few bits of experience. The only signing that made no sense was Perez for 30 million, which I am sure must have been at Rodgers request. Mid 20s and 30 million and not a Newcastle fan was sad to see him leave. Much like Brentford I'd like to think we have, or are starting to build, an identity as a club where the manager obviously has to be decent, but will be brought in to to carry out the clubs vision. It's the only way to continue to overachieve as a club long term. Find the blueprint and stick to it. I just hope the clubs tactical philosophy doesn't match that of Brendan's the past 9 months or so. I do think he's ran out of ideas, the pattern of play in our games since the turn of the year has 95% of the time has been the same, it's not a lack of form but a way of playing the game that is clearly pre-meditated. Even the Sheff Utd game we looked awful first 60 and banged 4 in uring the last half hour. 1
goose2010 Posted 1 October 2021 Posted 1 October 2021 55 minutes ago, filbertway said: Hard to see past a Palace win here. Depends if Rodgers admits he's getting it wrong or not I suppose. Personnel aren't the main issue, its the way they're being deployed. Rodgers can be blamed for some things but he shouldn't have to train Premier League footballers to control a ball, make a 10 yard pass or stay switched on. The amount of times we have been turned over in the last few weeks from a basic pass going astray or a control that i would expect an under 10 to make is scary. Last night as well Cags lost his man after 5 minutes and had no clue where he was. It is the basics we are getting wrong.
filbertway Posted 1 October 2021 Posted 1 October 2021 Just now, goose2010 said: Rodgers can be blamed for some things but he shouldn't have to train Premier League footballers to control a ball, make a 10 yard pass or stay switched on. The amount of times we have been turned over in the last few weeks from a basic pass going astray or a control that i would expect an under 10 to make is scary. Last night as well Cags lost his man after 5 minutes and had no clue where he was. It is the basics we are getting wrong. We're being sent out with a slow, negative mindset. That'll seep into the players. They must hate stepping on the pitch right now.
drumbeat Posted 1 October 2021 Posted 1 October 2021 13 hours ago, tickler28 said: We'll pass it sideways and backwards...go 1 nil down....maybe 2 nil....then try and attack but ultimately lose the match....you heard it here first Nah, sounds too familiar. Reckon somebody else must have said it too.
escape2victory Posted 1 October 2021 Posted 1 October 2021 Castagne was our best player last night, only one with aggression and intent, has to play on Sunday and I’d fancy him over Ricardo to do a job on Zaha. I thought we looked our most dangerous last night when the first subs were made (Barnes & Maddison), and we went 3-4-3. I’d do something similar provided Evans is fit and hopefully can marshal the back 3. Castagne and Thomas wing backs and Barnes, Vardy and either Lookman or Maddison in the front 3
Dahnsouff Posted 1 October 2021 Posted 1 October 2021 Ward -------------- Bouba Youri Wilf Ricky Madders Harvey Lookman Kel Daka Vardy No defence, no problem 1
drumbeat Posted 1 October 2021 Posted 1 October 2021 This is a big game. Bigger than the result. Reckon we need a performance as much as result. A positive I see is that Maddison looked to be playing more like his old self last night. If he carries that form over then we'll have something. We could hope for a reaction from the players but I think it's more a reaction from BR that we need. Will he stick with his game plan? You know, the one that has served us so well of late.
filbertway Posted 1 October 2021 Posted 1 October 2021 2 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: Ward -------------- Bouba Youri Wilf Ricky Madders Harvey Lookman Kel Daka Vardy No defence, no problem I was about to chastise the back 3, but having read it properly I think you could be onto something here 1
indierich06 Posted 1 October 2021 Posted 1 October 2021 Didn't we get hammered 4-1 there in Puel's last game? Hope history doesn't repeat itself, sort it out Brendan.
filbertway Posted 1 October 2021 Posted 1 October 2021 The only thing I hope, is that we play a slow ponderous style that looks very little like creating anything, whilst simultaneously leaving us wide open to be counter attacked.
FoxFossil Posted 1 October 2021 Posted 1 October 2021 1 hour ago, Dan LCFC said: Comfortable loss. Comfortably numb.
goose2010 Posted 1 October 2021 Posted 1 October 2021 2 minutes ago, filbertway said: We're being sent out with a slow, negative mindset. That'll seep into the players. They must hate stepping on the pitch right now. yeah i agree it is odd but this style looks even worse when the basics arent done well. Too many of them either think they dont need to do the basics or are just being shown up for being quite average footballers. I don't expect perfection as at the end of the day we are Leicester but i would expect the ball not to just bounce off players.
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