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[OntarioFox]

55 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Mental levels of assumptions across this entire post. But anyway, do people in your store ask those without masks on, to put them on? Would love to know the actual levels of mask compliance across the country aside from people's tiny bubbles. Personally i see v high mask compliance in my tiny bubble. Go humanity!!!

Mate, we've got far too much other shit to deal with to be the mask police at minimum wage. We only have one security guard and he's normally kept busy stopping people from stealing.

 

It's just a temp job but it's definitely shaken any faith I had in humanity. We really do have to deal with some absolute cretins. And they're usually the ones without masks.

 

As for me being assumptive - we barely leave the shop, we need the money. There's nowhere else we could have caught it besides on the bus to and from work - another place populated by far too many selfish morons. Do please forgive me if I'm wrong and my friend got his Christmas ruined on the bus and not while serving 100 people an hour at the tills.

 

EDIT - I actually took a quick mental headcount on my way out from work after making this post and I stand by my 30% figure. It's a disgrace to be honest.

Edited 22 December 2021 by OntarioFox

[PAPA LAZAROU]

3 hours ago, phoneticerror said:

Not at all. If somebody has the opportunity to get the vaccine and chooses to decline because they’ve decided to get their education from Russell f**king Brand or whoever is spouting nonsense on YouTube, then I have absolute zero sympathy if that same person gets seriously sick from Covid. The offer was there and all they’re doing is being a burden on the NHS. I reserve my sympathy for the people that did everything they could to try and fight this virus and still end up losing their lives. Call it controversial, but I’m sick to the back teeth of morons. If people don’t want to take the vaccine - that’s absolutely fine - but don’t expect me to play the violin when those same people are changing their mind in intensive care.

Oh I see your fine with those who choose not to take the vaccine but they are also in your book " Morons " ?

[grobyfox1990]

10 minutes ago, OntarioFox said:

Mate, we've got far too much other shit to deal with to be the mask police at minimum wage. We only have one security guard and he's normally kept busy stopping people from stealing.

 

It's just a temp job but it's definitely shaken any faith I had in humanity. We really do have to deal with some absolute cretins. And they're usually the ones without masks.

 

As for me being assumptive - we barely leave the shop, we need the money. There's nowhere else we could have caught it besides on the bus to and from work - another place populated by far too many selfish morons. Do please forgive me if I'm wrong and my friend got his Christmas ruined on the bus and not while serving 100 people an hour at the tills.

 

EDIT - I actually took a quick mental headcount on my way out from work after making this post and I stand by my 30% figure. It's a disgrace to be honest.

Thats bad to hear especially the shaken faith in humanity part. The assumptive part was mainly around the mask. Your friend could easily have caught covid from someone wearing a mask. Someone wearing a piece of their mums old duvet that they haven't washed in over a year in a half arsed manner over their face is not going to stop the spread of covid whatever people tell you. It also does not make them a covid hero by putting that piece of turd over their faces

 

Also understand you're too busy to ask people to wear masks, but then you can't have a go at them as being 'cretins' etc etc. Maybe they've just forgotten. If they were reminded, i'm sure most people would put them on? Not your job to do so, just pointing it out

Edited 22 December 2021 by grobyfox1990

[phoneticerror]

15 minutes ago, PAPA LAZAROU said:

Oh I see your fine with those who choose not to take the vaccine but they are also in your book " Morons " ?

Absolutely. F**king idiots if you want me to be clearer. But everybody should have the right to be an idiot - but don’t expect sympathy when those same decisions result in a loss of life. That’s called natural selection.

Edited 22 December 2021 by phoneticerror

[l444ry]

2 hours ago, GingerrrFox said:

Said it before in the coronavirus thread but I find some of the comments about people choosing not to be vaccinated disgusting. Why don’t people hold the same bile for people with a BMI of 40.0+ as 90% of COVID deaths under the age of 70 are in people with morbid obesity? Not to mention that obesity is one of the biggest financial drains on the NHS outside of COVID times. 
 

Oh because that would be discrimination and infringing their human rights? Why’s the conversation about the vaccine any different then?

 

To get the topic back on to football, I hope and pray there is no closure on attending football or a return to lockdowns because I want to keep my sanity. 

Obese people aren't clogging up the ICU's or cause staff shortages in hospitals and other vital services. It would appear to be the unvaccinated. 

[FoxesDeb]

3 hours ago, GingerrrFox said:

Said it before in the coronavirus thread but I find some of the comments about people choosing not to be vaccinated disgusting. Why don’t people hold the same bile for people with a BMI of 40.0+ as 90% of COVID deaths under the age of 70 are in people with morbid obesity? Not to mention that obesity is one of the biggest financial drains on the NHS outside of COVID times. 
 

Oh because that would be discrimination and infringing their human rights? Why’s the conversation about the vaccine any different then?

 

To get the topic back on to football, I hope and pray there is no closure on attending football or a return to lockdowns because I want to keep my sanity. 

Being obese is not contagious. It isn't potentially bringing down the worlds health services simultaneously. It isn't the reason businesses are closing and livelihoods are being lost. It isn't causing immediate mental health problems for people who before covid had none. It isn't the reason many front line health workers are leaving their jobs. 

 

The vaccine on the other hand can help with all of the above. That's the difference. It's pretty simple really, and I'm not sure why people are struggling with this. 

 

 

[GingerrrFox]

59 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

Being obese is not contagious. It isn't potentially bringing down the worlds health services simultaneously. It isn't the reason businesses are closing and livelihoods are being lost. It isn't causing immediate mental health problems for people who before covid had none. It isn't the reason many front line health workers are leaving their jobs. 

 

The vaccine on the other hand can help with all of the above. That's the difference. It's pretty simple really, and I'm not sure why people are struggling with this. 

 

 

The vaccine can help, but so can losing weight, maintaining high levels of Vitamin D, Zinc and Magnesium, regular good quality sleep and regular cardiovascular exercise. People are being administered to hospital who are vaccinated and people have also died despite being vaccinated.

 

The vaccine has also been proven to cause serious side effects for certain people and has caused circa 1800 deaths so that’s why it should continue to be people’s choice what they have injected into their body. 

Edited 22 December 2021 by GingerrrFox

[Dahnsouff]

3 minutes ago, GingerrrFox said:

The vaccine can help, but so can losing weight, maintaining high levels of Vitamin D, Zinc and Magnesium, regular good quality sleep and regular cardiovascular exercise. People are being administered to hospital who are vaccinated and people have also died despite being vaccinated.

 

The vaccine has also been proven to cause serious side effects for certain people and has caused circa 1800 deaths so that’s why it should continue to be people’s choice what they have injected into their body. 

Think providing evidence for this type of talk would curry more favour to be honest, as it just reeks of scaremongering otherwise. 

[FoxesDeb]

Just now, GingerrrFox said:

The vaccine can help, but so can losing weight, maintaining high levels of Vitamin D, Zinc and Magnesium, regular good quality sleep and regular cardiovascular exercise. People are being administered to hospital who are vaccinated and people have also died despite being vaccinated.

I fully understand that, just as many obese people will live long and happy lives, and many fit and healthy people die way before their time. But you asked 'Why’s the conversation about the vaccine any different then?', and I've given you an answer. You've also answered it yourself inadvertently, the counter actions you list for obesity are mostly harder to achieve and take much longer than just rocking up to a covid vaccine centre and having a needle briefly stuck in your arm. 

 

As an aside, when you say administered do you mean admitted? 

[GingerrrFox]

3 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Think providing evidence for this type of talk would curry more favour to be honest, as it just reeks of scaremongering otherwise. 

What numbers are currently available?

The Yellow Card reporting scheme has reported that between 9 December 2020 and 8 September 2021 there were 1,645 deaths where the person died shortly after receiving one of the coronavirus vaccines.
 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/blog.ons.gov.uk/2021/10/04/how-many-people-have-died-as-a-result-of-a-covid-19-vaccine/amp/

 

That’s up to September.

 

You can read up on the full yellow card updates here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting

 

 

[FoxesDeb]

9 minutes ago, GingerrrFox said:

The vaccine can help, but so can losing weight, maintaining high levels of Vitamin D, Zinc and Magnesium, regular good quality sleep and regular cardiovascular exercise. People are being administered to hospital who are vaccinated and people have also died despite being vaccinated.

 

The vaccine has also been proven to cause serious side effects for certain people and has caused circa 1800 deaths so that’s why it should continue to be people’s choice what they have injected into their body. 

I see you've edited your post since I replied, so I'd ask you for your source for the claim that the vaccine has directly caused 1800 or so deaths? I personally know people who have died so I know it happens, but I'm curious as to the verified number. It's also worth remembering that even if that figure is true, it pales into insignificance compared to the lives lost from Covid, the lives lost from mental health issues due to restrictions, and the deaths from complications post covid. 

 

It ultimately is people's choice, if they have no moral compass and don't really care about the lives or livelihoods of the wider population, nor the longer term health implications for themselves or others of long covid, it's up to them. But personally, I want my life back sooner rather than later. The vaccine gives us all the chance of that, and people who are not willing to help with this need to be willing to live with the consequences imo. 

[Dahnsouff]

wrong thread - covid blather

Edited 22 December 2021 by Dahnsouff

[chapero82]

1 minute ago, FoxesDeb said:

I see you've edited your post since I replied, so I'd ask you for your source for the claim that the vaccine has directly caused 1800 or so deaths? I personally know people who have died so I know it happens, but I'm curious as to the verified number. It's also worth remembering that even if that figure is true, it pales into insignificance compared to the lives lost from Covid, the lives lost from mental health issues due to restrictions, and the deaths from complications post covid. 

 

It ultimately is people's choice, if they have no moral compass and don't really care about the lives or livelihoods of the wider population, nor the longer term health implications for themselves or others of long covid, it's up to them. But personally, I want my life back sooner rather than later. The vaccine gives us all the chance of that, and people who are not willing to help with this need to be willing to live with the consequences imo. 

Taking the vaccine or not doesn't stop the spread of the virus though? People should have a right on choice whether you like that or NOT!

[FoxesDeb]

1 minute ago, chapero82 said:

Taking the vaccine or not doesn't stop the spread of the virus though? People should have a right on choice whether you like that or NOT!

Did you actually read what I wrote? 

 

'It ultimately is people's choice' 

 

And no it doesn't stop the spread, and we knew that from the beginning. But it does reduce the burden on our health systems, and ultimately reduces the length of time we will need to live with restrictions. 

[HighPeakFox]

9 minutes ago, chapero82 said:

Taking the vaccine or not doesn't stop the spread of the virus though? People should have a right on choice whether you like that or NOT!

So long as you don't mind our right to have an opinion on not doing so - or do our rights not matter as much?

[Spudulike]

29 minutes ago, GingerrrFox said:

What numbers are currently available?

The Yellow Card reporting scheme has reported that between 9 December 2020 and 8 September 2021 there were 1,645 deaths where the person died shortly after receiving one of the coronavirus vaccines.
 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/blog.ons.gov.uk/2021/10/04/how-many-people-have-died-as-a-result-of-a-covid-19-vaccine/amp/

 

That’s up to September.

 

You can read up on the full yellow card updates here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting

 

 

"The Yellow Card Scheme data, by contrast, give an important early warning about possible deaths relating to COVID-19 vaccinations, and form a basis for further investigations. However, the numbers don’t show confirmed cases of deaths linked to the vaccines and should not be used for this purpose. Many of these deaths will actually have had other causes, which explains why these numbers are so much higher than the deaths registrations"

 

https://blog.ons.gov.uk/2021/10/04/how-many-people-have-died-as-a-result-of-a-covid-19-vaccine/

[chapero82]

5 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

Did you actually read what I wrote? 

 

'It ultimately is people's choice' 

 

And no it doesn't stop the spread, and we knew that from the beginning. But it does reduce the burden on our health systems, and ultimately reduces the length of time we will need to live with restrictions. 

I just think it's wrong to point the finger at non vaccinated people when the majority of the patients at hospital are double jabbed 

[chapero82]

1 minute ago, HighPeakFox said:

So long as you don't mind our right to have an opinion on not doing so - or do our rights not matter as much?

No everyone is entitled to their opinion, I just don't think the blame should go on either if I'm honest 

[FoxesDeb]

Just now, chapero82 said:

I just think it's wrong to point the finger at non vaccinated people when the majority of the patients at hospital are double jabbed 

Well of course they are, it's basic maths if you are purely talking about Covid hospital admissions, given that nearly 70% of the adult UK population are vaccinated  But the figures for people in icu who are causing the real problems for health services worldwide and leading to the restrictions are overwhelmingly unvaccinated. 

[HighPeakFox]

4 minutes ago, chapero82 said:

I just think it's wrong to point the finger at non vaccinated people when the majority of the patients at hospital are double jabbed 

I'm afraid that's a bit of a misleading stat, which has been corrected many times on the Coronavirus thread.

[chapero82]

1 minute ago, HighPeakFox said:

I'm afraid that's a bit of a misleading stat, which has been corrected many times on the Coronavirus thread.

All I am saying is that if the vaccine was the way to end this crisis then people wouldn't be hospital with Covid while double jabbed would they? I do believe we will get there in the end but I think it's going to take time 

[HighPeakFox]

1 minute ago, chapero82 said:

All I am saying is that if the vaccine was the way to end this crisis then people wouldn't be hospital with Covid while double jabbed would they? I do believe we will get there in the end but I think it's going to take time 

And I'm saying, politely, that I think you're mistaken - the number of cases, whether severe or otherwise, would have been way worse without people having been double jabbed. To say otherwise is, I'm afraid, to just misunderstand (wilfully or otherwise).

[FoxesDeb]

5 minutes ago, chapero82 said:

All I am saying is that if the vaccine was the way to end this crisis then people wouldn't be hospital with Covid while double jabbed would they? I do believe we will get there in the end but I think it's going to take time 

Plenty of people will be in hospital who are fully vaccinated, but all the stats show that they need much less intensive care than those who are not vaccinated. The unvaccinated are the ones currently occupying the higher numbers of icu beds, thus putting the greater strain on the health services, and therefore prolonging the restrictions we are all having to live with. 

[chapero82]

Just now, HighPeakFox said:

And I'm saying, politely, that I think you're mistaken - the number of cases, whether severe or otherwise, would have been way worse without people having been double jabbed. To say otherwise is, I'm afraid, to just misunderstand (wilfully or otherwise).

I agree they would be worse yes, all I'm saying is that it doesn't stop the spread so whether you are vaccinated or not the virus will still spread 

[HighPeakFox]

Just now, chapero82 said:

I agree they would be worse yes, all I'm saying is that it doesn't stop the spread so whether you are vaccinated or not the virus will still spread 

With respect, you've already changed what you were originally saying. The viral load from a vaccinated person is lower, so your new assertion is also inaccurate.