Closed doors

[dsr-burnley]

1 hour ago, PAPA LAZAROU said:

The trouble with  a lot of people is that they have been educated enough to understand what they have been told but not enough to challenge what they have been told.

Surely that's better than being so badly educated that they don't understand what they have been told?

[purpleronnie]

I really think arguing for and against the jab is meaningless now.  Enough time has passed that those who want the jab will get them and those who don't will not.

 

But this argument always descends into name calling on both sides.

 

People will believe what they want to believe, you can place all the evidence in the world in front of people but some will refuse to change their minds.

 

[Finnegan]

9 minutes ago, dsr-burnley said:

Surely that's better than being so badly educated that they don't understand what they have been told?

 

........ 

 

 

That's like someone saying being stabbed is bad and you replying "surely it's better than being shot!!" 

 

They're both shit, you just came up with something worse, that doesn't justify a complete lack of critical thinking in our education process. 

[lanefox]

1 hour ago, PAPA LAZAROU said:

we have to let our own immunity systems deal with it. you simply cannot keep have a jab every time this happens.

Let me guess Conservative hardo and you still think BoJo has done a good job

 

the herd immunity whoch we tried well and truly failed when we’re in the top 3 for Both deaths and cases because we have an utter buffoon running the country and have a latge oart of the population who are stupid to not get a trialled and tested vaccine and get their health advise off Facebook, the daily mail and twitter 

Edited 22 December 2021 by lanefox

[phoneticerror]

When was the last time anybody discussed whether or not we’ll be behind closed doors in this thread? Jesus Christ

[phoneticerror]

2 hours ago, PAPA LAZAROU said:

And that is supposed to be funny? 

Not at all. If somebody has the opportunity to get the vaccine and chooses to decline because they’ve decided to get their education from Russell f**king Brand or whoever is spouting nonsense on YouTube, then I have absolute zero sympathy if that same person gets seriously sick from Covid. The offer was there and all they’re doing is being a burden on the NHS. I reserve my sympathy for the people that did everything they could to try and fight this virus and still end up losing their lives. Call it controversial, but I’m sick to the back teeth of morons. If people don’t want to take the vaccine - that’s absolutely fine - but don’t expect me to play the violin when those same people are changing their mind in intensive care.

Edited 22 December 2021 by phoneticerror

[grobyfox1990]

12 hours ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

You’d shutdown crowds at football forever incase ONE person dies from COVID?

 

What about those who are killed on the road by another driver whilst driving to an away game? 
 

Almost every death is needless, if you don’t want a needless death then you stay indoors, don’t leave the house, don’t use candles or gas (They could start a fire which burns your neighbours house down and kills them). 
 

Don’t take this the wrong way but it sounds like you’re literally afraid of your own shadow, it’s like a mental illness IMO, that’s the scary thing. 

Mental isn’t it. Multi billion dollar industry and one of the prime export assets of the UK, supporting tens of thousands of jobs across the land and bringing mental and emotional relief to possibly millions. Shut down for one covid death. Genuinely mental 

 

 

[AjcW]

2 hours ago, PAPA LAZAROU said:

we have to let our own immunity systems deal with it. you simply cannot keep have a jab every time this happens.

What's an immunity system? Does it protect you from getting voted off reality TV shows? 

[Guest Dirkster the Fox]

29 minutes ago, purpleronnie said:

I really think arguing for and against the jab is meaningless now.  Enough time has passed that those who want the jab will get them and those who don't will not.

 

But this argument always descends into name calling on both sides.

 

People will believe what they want to believe, you can place all the evidence in the world in front of people but some will refuse to change their minds.

 

Which is why people need to move this away from being zealotry about vaccines and be more concerned about making personal decisions, balanced against the huge impact Covid has across peoples lives.

 

I stated earlier some of the derogatory pro-vaccine comments on here are distasteful and are asphyxiating the debate around the wider impacts of Covid in our society. 

 

A suicide is just as terrible a loss of life, as someone suffering comorbidities dying with Covid.

 

Balance and respect is a must.

 

[GingerrrFox]

Said it before in the coronavirus thread but I find some of the comments about people choosing not to be vaccinated disgusting. Why don’t people hold the same bile for people with a BMI of 40.0+ as 90% of COVID deaths under the age of 70 are in people with morbid obesity? Not to mention that obesity is one of the biggest financial drains on the NHS outside of COVID times. 
 

Oh because that would be discrimination and infringing their human rights? Why’s the conversation about the vaccine any different then?

 

To get the topic back on to football, I hope and pray there is no closure on attending football or a return to lockdowns because I want to keep my sanity. 

Edited 22 December 2021 by GingerrrFox

[OntarioFox]

Not here to wade in to the vax debate, but more a general observation from having the pleasure of working the Christmas rush in retail...

 

Maybe it wouldn't be spreading so fast if there weren't so many imbeciles that have decided that needing to wear a thin strip of cloth over their face when indoors and in crowds is akin to the fourth reich.

 

The fact that so many healthy looking people now have suspicious 'exemptions' which nobody has the gonads to challenge is a big problem. I'd say maybe as many as 30% of folks in our shop don't wear a mask. We have four staff off with Covid. My best mate is having to spend Christmas Day self isolating in his bedroom, and he almost certainly got it from a customer. His younger (unvaccinated) brother got it off him and collapsed with low blood pressure, leading to an overnight hospitalisation. That's his family's Christmas ruined because of selfish willy pullers.

 

There's a serious problem with social responsibility in this country. And unfortunately, football matches attract a bigger concentration of absolute morons than most events, social or otherwise. To bring it back to the topic at hand, I've seen enough to think crowds should be barred for a few weeks at least.

[fuchsntf]

1 hour ago, lanefox said:

Let me guess Conservative hardo and you still think BoJo has done a good job

 

the herd immunity whoch we tried well and truly failed when we’re in the top 3 for Both deaths and cases because we have an utter buffoon running the country and have a latge oart of the population who are stupid to not get a trialled and tested vaccine and get their health advise off Facebook, the daily mail and twitter 

I go into the Woods & Listen to those wise Voices that Ride the wind...

They find it hysterical that man....puts faith, in such modern but Hypocritical flows as Twitter,Facebook & satan's-bible the Daily Mail, Not forgetting Ftalk.

[dsr-burnley]

33 minutes ago, GingerrrFox said:

Said it before in the coronavirus thread but I find some of the comments about people choosing not to be vaccinated disgusting. Why don’t people hold the same bile for people with a BMI of 40.0+ as 90% of COVID deaths under the age of 70 are in people with morbid obesity? Not to mention that obesity is one of the biggest financial drains on the NHS outside of COVID times. 
 

Oh because that would be discrimination and infringing their human rights? Why’s the conversation about the vaccine any different then?

 

To get the topic back on to football, I hope and pray there is no closure on attending football or a return to lockdowns because I want to keep my sanity. 

Dementia is a bigger drain on public and private funds than obesity.  Fat people, by and large, get dementia much less than thin people (because they die younger).

[Dahnsouff]

41 minutes ago, GingerrrFox said:

Said it before in the coronavirus thread but I find some of the comments about people choosing not to be vaccinated disgusting. Why don’t people hold the same bile for people with a BMI of 40.0+ as 90% of COVID deaths under the age of 70 are in people with morbid obesity? Not to mention that obesity is one of the biggest financial drains on the NHS outside of COVID times. 
 

Oh because that would be discrimination and infringing their human rights? Why’s the conversation about the vaccine any different then?

 

To get the topic back on to football, I hope and pray there is no closure on attending football or a return to lockdowns because I want to keep my sanity. 

Because you can’t catch fat probably plays a part……

[GingerrrFox]

9 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Because you can’t catch fat probably plays a part……

The rhetoric in the media at the moment is unvaccinated people are draining the NHS. Obesity drains the NHS continuously, it’s one of the biggest drains on NHS funds. The vaccine doesn’t stop infection and peak viral load is the same for vaccinated and unvaccinated people. 

Edited 22 December 2021 by GingerrrFox

[Dahnsouff]

6 minutes ago, GingerrrFox said:

The rhetoric in the media at the moment is unvaccinated people are draining the NHS. Obesity drains the NHS continuously, it’s one of the biggest drains on NHS funds. The vaccine doesn’t stop infection and peak viral load is the same for vaccinated and unvaccinated people. 

Long ago lost all respect for our reductionist mainstream media to be honest.

[Phil Bowman]

3 minutes ago, GingerrrFox said:

The rhetoric in the media at the moment is unvaccinated people are draining the NHS.

Not quite. The ‘rhetoric’ (somewhat loaded term) at the moment is that unvaccinated people are overloading the NHS, leading to it at best being unable to provide critical care to all those who need it and at worst ending up on the verge of almost total collapse. ‘Draining’ makes it sound like people are only concerned about the cost. They aren’t. They’re also (and more, and primarily) concerned about being able to care for people. At the most basic level, being able to save lives.

[st albans fox]

25 minutes ago, GingerrrFox said:

The rhetoric in the media at the moment is unvaccinated people are draining the NHS. Obesity drains the NHS continuously, it’s one of the biggest drains on NHS funds. The vaccine doesn’t stop infection and peak viral load is the same for vaccinated and unvaccinated people. 

shorter period but yes that was true of delta several months after second dose. We have no idea on omicron. 

[Nod.E]

1 hour ago, GingerrrFox said:

Said it before in the coronavirus thread but I find some of the comments about people choosing not to be vaccinated disgusting. Why don’t people hold the same bile for people with a BMI of 40.0+ as 90% of COVID deaths under the age of 70 are in people with morbid obesity? Not to mention that obesity is one of the biggest financial drains on the NHS outside of COVID times. 
 

Oh because that would be discrimination and infringing their human rights? Why’s the conversation about the vaccine any different then?

 

To get the topic back on to football, I hope and pray there is no closure on attending football or a return to lockdowns because I want to keep my sanity. 

Who said we don't? 

[Nod.E]

59 minutes ago, dsr-burnley said:

Dementia is a bigger drain on public and private funds than obesity.  Fat people, by and large, get dementia much less than thin people (because they die younger).

That's like saying gun crime is a good thing because it kills people that might later require the health service in old age

[CyprusFox]

2 hours ago, phoneticerror said:

Not at all. If somebody has the opportunity to get the vaccine and chooses to decline because they’ve decided to get their education from Russell f**king Brand or whoever is spouting nonsense on YouTube, then I have absolute zero sympathy if that same person gets seriously sick from Covid. The offer was there and all they’re doing is being a burden on the NHS. I reserve my sympathy for the people that did everything they could to try and fight this virus and still end up losing their lives. Call it controversial, but I’m sick to the back teeth of morons. If people don’t want to take the vaccine - that’s absolutely fine - but don’t expect me to play the violin when those same people are changing their mind in intensive care.

Couldn't have put it better myself

[grobyfox1990]

1 hour ago, OntarioFox said:

Not here to wade in to the vax debate, but more a general observation from having the pleasure of working the Christmas rush in retail...

 

Maybe it wouldn't be spreading so fast if there weren't so many imbeciles that have decided that needing to wear a thin strip of cloth over their face when indoors and in crowds is akin to the fourth reich.

 

The fact that so many healthy looking people now have suspicious 'exemptions' which nobody has the gonads to challenge is a big problem. I'd say maybe as many as 30% of folks in our shop don't wear a mask. We have four staff off with Covid. My best mate is having to spend Christmas Day self isolating in his bedroom, and he almost certainly got it from a customer. His younger (unvaccinated) brother got it off him and collapsed with low blood pressure, leading to an overnight hospitalisation. That's his family's Christmas ruined because of selfish willy pullers.

 

There's a serious problem with social responsibility in this country. And unfortunately, football matches attract a bigger concentration of absolute morons than most events, social or otherwise. To bring it back to the topic at hand, I've seen enough to think crowds should be barred for a few weeks at least.

Mental levels of assumptions across this entire post. But anyway, do people in your store ask those without masks on, to put them on? Would love to know the actual levels of mask compliance across the country aside from people's tiny bubbles. Personally i see v high mask compliance in my tiny bubble. Go humanity!!!

[phoneticerror]

15 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Mental levels of assumptions across this entire post. But anyway, do people in your store ask those without masks on, to put them on? Would love to know the actual levels of mask compliance across the country aside from people's tiny bubbles. Personally i see v high mask compliance in my tiny bubble. Go humanity!!!

It’s been quite surprising to see just how many people are wearing them in shops this time around. Mask compliance on Ausden Clark to Villa was less than 5% though. Cinemagoers also haven’t been that compliant either in my experience (been twice in the last week).

Edited 22 December 2021 by phoneticerror

[dsr-burnley]

38 minutes ago, Nod.E said:

That's like saying gun crime is a good thing because it kills people that might later require the health service in old age

It is nothing like that at all.  If you disagree with what I say, then fine.  But don't invent something stupid and pretend I said it.

[fuchsntf]

Getting back to topic...

 

I Love football, I am a traditionalist for festive season fixtures, something that Foreign Coaches cant get into their thickheaded Skulls over our single British

Tradition & ideas...Same process in their Lack of understanding through the whole season of  English/British Football traditional-spirit...

Winter-break thoughts, is simply sacrilege....I

If it means getting back to English/UK managers & haulage-firm sponsors, then so be it..!!!

That said I have Nothing Really against Foreign coaches...just to say help us,improve us, But Dont change & Intervene in/with our One Cozy fan traditions..

S.Americans,Africans, European counties various traditions are diverse, Dont try and globalise us...only at Wcups, or Europeancups,etc..Keep Away from

Single nations traditions, even if the Aztecs loved Sacrifice even for the winner..

 

So Covid-Close door scenario, Away from Foreign manager noise, who have Top Quality 30 man squads....

In normal circumstances...3-4 games occasionally in the season over a 3-6 day period,is for we British quite normal..

We use to use these periods to Play fringe or new young Bucks from the reserves, who the .manager fancied for the challenge...!

With Covid we have to be wiser...Covid struck players Need Recovery time*....That Time* an unknown quantity.!

Hence its difficult for any manager & Club to qualify how to quaranteen, seperate, Mix & mesh their squads together..I

Plus How the incompetent PL-management, then without Government Policy support , manage & organise their December/January fixtures...

With opposition squad , 30-50 staff-members travel , mixing & interfacing arrangements, Plus the obvious understanding of Football-fan movements & needs

of home & Away fans...I

 

I believe in suspending the season...Because Now their is very few clubs who  dont have Covid-infections..

possible Covid -infected fans travelling around the country, Not a wise idea...

Behind-Close doors..Yes if no squad players have Covid-problems & both Teams can agree within 48hrs deadline...

 

That again neither PL, nor Local-govs & Sport give-minister were prepared after last seasons pathetic chaos...

No learn-capabilities it seems..!!