The I cant believe it’s not politics thread.

[FoxesDeb]

1 hour ago, Lionator said:

English migrants going to Poland for better pay and work conditions would be quite the turnaround. 

Unless they can obtain a work visa they wouldn't be able to even if they wanted to

[Sampson]

What do you expect?

 

The UK, like most of the Western World has a serious underpopulation problem, we’re rapidly approaching a ratio of 1 person in retirement age for every 2 people of tax paying age and that’s only going to get worse as death rates exceed birth rates now and the population’s average age continues to rise.

 

You either essentially shrink down pensions to the point where they’re not liveable or have a steady influx of economic migrants for both skilled and unskilled labour to pay the taxes supporting the increasingly large proportion of the population getting pensions, as the native population certainly aren’t having the 2.4+ children needed to keep the tax-paying population growing - largely because so many can’t afford it which causes it then to becomes a vicious circle and an even bigger burden on the state.

 

I give it 10 years before the UK is begging to go back into the single market and slides towards a Norway-style deal with the EU.
 

Norway, Switzerland and Iceland have all ended up doing the same after initially rejecting the EU because it was much harder being outside it.

Edited 16 September 2022 by Sampson

[kenny]

52 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

Unless they can obtain a work visa they wouldn't be able to even if they wanted to

They are pretty to come by in fairness. As long as you can fathom the home office website.

 

 

 

[Daggers]

2 hours ago, Lionator said:

English migrants going to Poland for better pay and work conditions would be quite the turnaround. 

Polish people have been moving back to Poland for a number of years as the decline in conditions and increase in racism resulting from Brexit have brought it to the point there isn't much point moving to the UK.

[Sampson]

11 minutes ago, kenny said:

They are pretty to come by in fairness. As long as you can fathom the home office website.

 

 

 

She was talking about working visas in Poland. Probably not that easy if you can't speak fluent Polish, meaning you can only really do really specialist work in high-end international business which most people aren't skilled for - or a select few unskilled jobs like cleaning, taxi/lorry drivers and working in restaurant kitchens, which is not something an EU nation would really offer work visas for when they can just get other EU citizens in to do them.

Edited 16 September 2022 by Sampson

[kenny]

16 minutes ago, Sampson said:

She was talking about working visas in Poland. Probably not that easy if you can't speak fluent Polish, meaning you can only really do really specialist work in high-end international business which most people aren't skilled for - or a select few unskilled jobs like cleaning, taxi/lorry drivers and working in restaurant kitchens, which is not something an EU nation would really offer work visas for when they can just get other EU citizens in to do them.

I see. My mistake.

 

I suspect it's the same as here they will have a shortage of skilled people as everywhere does and will not want to discourage them moving there.

[FoxesDeb]

1 minute ago, kenny said:

I see. My mistake.

 

I suspect it's the same as here they will have a shortage of skilled people as everywhere does and will not want to discourage them moving there.

The big difference is that as with everywhere else in the EU, Poland has the whole of the EU to choose workers from easily, those who have the freedom to live and work there without all the red tape.

 

 

[Sampson]

9 minutes ago, kenny said:

I see. My mistake.

 

I suspect it's the same as here they will have a shortage of skilled people as everywhere does and will not want to discourage them moving there.

It's not the same, because it's not only skilled workers we lack. It's much easier to get other EU workers in for the non-skilled jobs.

 

See how we've had a lack of bar staff since Brexit for example, to the point where Brexiteer Tim Martin, owner of Weatherspoon's was begging to be allowed to get EU citizens in visa free to fill bar staff jobs at Spoons because of the lack of labour supply since Brexit. But that's not the kind of thing you can really offer work permits for, due to the short-term nature of the jobs means for most people and businesses it is not worth the hassle of the bureaucratic process to get a work permit, whereas in the EU you can move to a country today and try and get a job like that, so it's easy just to get staff in from other EU countries.

 

And UK citizens will always have a disadvantage even with specialist jobs moving countries because our lack of language skills, even in English speaking, highly skilled jobs, companies will still be able to get highly skilled labour from Germany, Ireland, Benelux and the Nordics - all (with the exception of some rural parts of Germany) countries where everyone speaks fluent English with highly educated, highly skilled workforces and all countries which are currently wealthier than the UK - and that will be much more preferable for companies because they don't need to go through any beurocratic process or fill out any forms, so they'll always go for someone from Norway, Ireland, the Netherlands or Germany over someone from the UK, even if the UK candidate is slightly better or more qualified.

Edited 16 September 2022 by Sampson

[kenny]

1 minute ago, FoxesDeb said:

The big difference is that as with everywhere else in the EU, Poland has the whole of the EU to choose workers from easily, those who have the freedom to live and work there without all the red tape.

 

 

Yet most EU countries are suffering from skills and labour shortages.

[Sampson]

4 minutes ago, kenny said:

Yet most EU countries are suffering from skills and labour shortages.

Again - not for low-skilled work though. Extremely high-skilled individuals will never have much of a problem finding work in most countries, the vast majority of people don't fall under that category though. The vast majority of UK citizens will not be able to get work permits abroad.

Edited 16 September 2022 by Sampson

[Parafox]

43 minutes ago, Sampson said:

The UK, like most of the Western World has a serious underpopulation problem, we’re rapidly approaching a ratio of 1 person in retirement age for every 2 people of tax paying age and that’s only going to get worse as death rates exceed birth rates now and the population’s average age continues to rise.

Does this mean older drivers bumbling about, clueless, on their way to Morrison's?

[Sampson]

9 minutes ago, Parafox said:

Does this mean older drivers bumbling about, clueless, on their way to Morrison's?

Well the according the ONS, the proportion of the population over 85 will double in just the next 25 years, so yes.

 

We're also set to reach the point where 33% of the population over 16 are at State Pension Age meaning 1 person at their pension age for every 2 people at working age in 2033.

Edited 16 September 2022 by Sampson

[Parafox]

3 minutes ago, Sampson said:

Well the according the ONS, the proportion of the population over 85 will double in just the next 25 years, so yes.

In 25 years I'll be long gone. Or I'll be the right age and level of mobility to shop at Morrison's.

[Daggers]

2 hours ago, Sampson said:

Brexiteer Tim Martin, owner of Weatherspoon's was begging to be allowed to get EU citizens in visa free to fill bar staff jobs at Spoons because of the lack of labour supply since Brexit.

He never put that on a beer mat. 

[weller54]

3 hours ago, Parafox said:

Does this mean older drivers bumbling about, clueless, on their way to Morrison's?

A new signing?..

Is it Andy Carroll??

[Fazzer 7]

13 hours ago, Sampson said:

Well the according the ONS, the proportion of the population over 85 will double in just the next 25 years, so yes.

 

We're also set to reach the point where 33% of the population over 16 are at State Pension Age meaning 1 person at their pension age for every 2 people at working age in 2033.

Oh god they will be devising more ways to kill us off.

[Daggers]

 

[st albans fox]

2 hours ago, Daggers said:

 

Perfect for the job then …..

[urban.spaceman]

 

 

[Jimothy]

57 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

 

Liz Truss probably struggles to identify Liz Truss.

[Captain...]

2 hours ago, Facecloth said:

Liz Truss probably struggles to identify Liz Truss.

To be fair, self identifying is generally frowned upon in the conservative party.

[urban.spaceman]

*cough* Boris… *cough* Trump…

 

 

[adam]

 

Whats this clown up to here? 

[st albans fox]

55 minutes ago, adam said:

 

Whats this clown up to here? 

I don’t get it - he sees someone he recognises and nods his head (probably too enthusiastically) at them. For whatever reason (and we’ve all been there) he smiles in an fairly inappropriate way

what am I missing ???

 

[bovril]

2 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

I don’t get it - he sees someone he recognises and nods his head (probably too enthusiastically) at them. For whatever reason (and we’ve all been there) he smiles in an fairly inappropriate way

what am I missing ???

 

a lot of people really need to log off twitter