To all those who complained at people being upset at us finishing 8th..

[filbertway]

1 hour ago, MPH said:

you can’t deny it…. Not finishing in  a European place is going to cost us.

It shouldn't do, as a club we should be able to cope with missing out on Europe for a season. We should be seen as a stepping stone for the majority of players that want to join us, so while Europe would be ideal. Playing conference/europa league games for a season shouldn't be a major factor in our business.

 

We should also be looking to sell players we've developed at their peak value when it suits us. 

 

Us lining up in a 2nd or 3rd tier European competition won't do us a great deal of favours in terms of signing players. Us being a proven stepping stone for young players to develop and join elite clubs is what will drive our transfer business. A by product of this model is that we should be capable of competing for major trophies and 60-70 points consistently.

[MPH]

2 minutes ago, filbertway said:

It shouldn't do, as a club we should be able to cope with missing out on Europe for a season. We should be seen as a stepping stone for the majority of players that want to join us, so while Europe would be ideal. Playing conference/europa league games for a season shouldn't be a major factor in our business.

 

We should also be looking to sell players we've developed at their peak value when it suits us. 

 

Us lining up in a 2nd or 3rd tier European competition won't do us a great deal of favours in terms of signing players. Us being a proven stepping stone for young players to develop and join elite clubs is what will drive our transfer business. A by product of this model is that we should be capable of competing for major trophies and 60-70 points consistently.

 

but players are going to want to leave is my point, not that financially we can deal with out the money.

[MPH]

21 minutes ago, kingfox said:

 

How many times have we inevitably been this process, yet some fans like yourselves can’t seem to accept the fact how our cycle works.

 

Kasper was always going to leave whether it be this summer or next summer, all you needed to do was look at his contract situation to know the writing was on the wall. 
 

Then comes the inevitability of losing the likes of Fofana & Maddison, we’ve seen that process with Mahrez, Maguire & Chilwell, fans should know how this works by now. We have no reason to sell Fofana & Maddison, but if a ridiculous substantial bid comes in for either of them, whether it be this summer or next summer, then unsurprisingly they’ll probably be off. 
 

This is the Leicester City cycle that will forever continue, it’s been like that since 2016, how the hell are some fans not used to it by now.

 

that’s an odd interpretation of what I’ve said. I’ve simply said that now people can see why people were upset when we finished 8th- it’s going to cost us with top player wanting to leave.

[Fear Of The Fox]

1 minute ago, cityfanlee23 said:

True, but it's also true that we now face a period of reduced income due to inflation and lack of flights & duty free potentially, we now have less power to hang on to said players who rightly would believe they are good enough to be winning things consistently. Upto this point we have been able to provide a stream of trophies/European campaigns for the last few seasons, but now it's crunch time, and players like Maddison will want to move on (I would guess) if we have a flat season and can't offer anything. 

It's true and no one can deny these are tough times. The undeniable truth also is that this club for a decade now is operating with a certain straightforward plan and vision and has done it successfully. I'm sure players that join this club know beforehand how are owners operate. If we're lucky and sign players with principles that share this vision (Kasper, Big Wes, Fuchs, Albrighton, Vardy) we have more chances of success. 

[Golden Fox]

Just now, MPH said:

 

that’s an odd interpretation of what I’ve said. I’ve simply said that now people can see why people were upset when we finished 8th- it’s going to cost us with top player wanting to leave.

If that's all you simply said, not sure why you thought it needed a new thread to say it. You could have just put it in any of the other 1,000 threads saying exactly the same thing...

[smudgerfox]

1 minute ago, MPH said:

 

I’ve simply said that now people can see why people were upset when we finished 8th- it’s going to cost us with top player wanting to leave.

Exactly - we prioritised the Conference over league position just as we prioritised the FA Cup over 4th place the previous season. These are not hard-headed business decisions…and we are paying the price of them right now…

[MPH]

37 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

It has also been reported that if we do sell one, we won’t sell the others

 

So far there has been no indication that Madders is going to run his contract down or won’t sign an extension

 

You can’t just look at everything and assume the worst outcome is definitely the case

 

IF we did sell them all you are also looking at probably close to £200m for us to spend on replacements

 

One of the points I have raised recently about little Wes and back when we signed him was that he openly pined for us when contracted to his former team. It can be very unsettling for us  to play him, or madders if they hand in a transfer request and publicly make statements about wanting to leave.  Wes is pushing the boundaries a little bit already but if he openly comes out and says it then he’d make it tricky to keep hold of.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

44 minutes ago, Dames said:

Yep - building a state of the art training facility and planning to expand the stadium and surrounding areas comes with financial commitments and with those financial commitments comes an expectation of consistent revenue. The reality now is as a club we need to compete in and around the European spaces each season just so the club can pay for the off the field infrastructure.

It's crazy how people will so happily flip between "we're disrupting the big 6, we're bigger than Spurs and Arsenal" etc to "we're only Leicester what do you expect" to fit the argument.

[AKCJ]

1 hour ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

When our finances became dependant on it.

 

In no way are our finances dependant on European football.

[MPH]

2 minutes ago, Golden Fox said:

If that's all you simply said, not sure why you thought it needed a new thread to say it. You could have just put it in any of the other 1,000 threads saying exactly the same thing...

 

well we’d be down to about 3 threads  on the whole forum if no one clarified anything to a single point

[Sunbury Fox]

1 hour ago, pmcla26 said:

8th was a good season given the circumstances. The club isn't going to fold due to the financial situation (we just have too many players on the books - it is what it is, we still have a very good squad).

 

We're in a better position going into this season than we were going into last season. Just get behind the team and enjoy the football season being back. 

I was thinking the same. But if - and it is still a big 'if' - we lose Fofana, Maddison and Tielemans before the window closes then I think, with Kasper leaving too, it could be a very tough season for us. The likes of Evans and Castagne are very injury prone so we could easily be back to Amartey and Thomas playing as mainstays in our defence again by October, behind a midfield lacking any creativity. Realise that this is all worst case scenario but things don't feel comfortable at the moment. 

[AKCJ]

1 minute ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

It's crazy how people will so happily flip between "we're disrupting the big 6, we're bigger than Spurs and Arsenal" etc to "we're only Leicester what do you expect" to fit the argument.

That's two separate arguments.

 

We absolutely did disrupt the big 6. We're absolutely not bigger than Spurs or Arsenal.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

5 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

In no way are our finances dependant on European football.

OK

[davieG]

50 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

which will be more difficult to do without some starrs who are being linked with moves..

We need to go out and find some other Mahrez, Fofana, Vardy, etc. plus we also need to ensure we on develop our proteges coming through. we done this before, we've lost stars and replaced them more or less.

 

 

Wherever we finished we were always likely to lose one of our better players, sadly because Youri has underperformed we're unlikely to get as much as we would have hoped.

 

If we continue to push towards a top 6 we will need to make clever inexpensive buys but the better our players are the more likely we are to lose them. 

 

For LCFC it's life as we know and have been living it.

 

 

[Fear Of The Fox]

1 minute ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

It's crazy how people will so happily flip between "we're disrupting the big 6, we're bigger than Spurs and Arsenal" etc to "we're only Leicester what do you expect" to fit the argument.

We're only Leicester that has disrupted them successfully and the team that inspired other fans and football clubs all over the world. We're only Leicester that forced them to create a Superleague lobby just to avoid any future disruption. 

We're only Leicester and we're proud. 

[Fox92]

12 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

but players are going to want to leave is my point, not that financially we can deal with out the money.

Players want to win trophies, end of. European Football alone won't keep players like Fofona here. As I said in the other thread, if European football alone kept players at clubs then Spurs wouldn't lose their players all the time.

[davieG]

17 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said:

face a period of reduced income due to inflation and lack of flights & duty free potentially,

Income for all things related to the football do not come from  this it's aim is to be self sufficient any money from that source would come in the form of loans.

[Fox92]

6 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

In no way are our finances dependant on European football.

I'm not disagreeing with your point as I don't know ins and outs of our finances, but why am I now constantly seeing we can't afford players at the club? Even when people suggest "we sign 3 players" other posters will reply with "that will bloat the finances/squad even more". I just don't get it.

 

We've been in the PL for 5+ seasons now, a league that is rich in money, we've won it and won the FA Cup as well as playing in Europe yet I constantly see we can't afford new players?

Are things that bad in terms of us paying stupidly high wages to our players?

[cityfanlee23]

2 minutes ago, davieG said:

Income for all things related to the football do not come from  this it's aim is to be self sufficient any money from that source would come in the form of loans.

Yeah of course I've simplified it, but ultimately the ability to repay loans, and the ability for KP to loan to the club is massively affected by global conditions, which is why after the pandemic we are in a difficult financial position. 

[jerry]

1 hour ago, Beechey said:

Sure it will, there's always a cost. Like not finishing in a CL spot also cost us. It's not as dire as some are making out though. We at least have quality, sellable assets in our current squad. If we choose to, we can raise massive capital to reinvest in the squad. It's up to the board and management.

That's true but would you trust that the right players will come in based on last season  recruitment.

[Fox92]

3 minutes ago, pmcla26 said:

Unless they are represented by Harry Kane's agent, in which case they definitely won't lose them. Maybe we should see if Fofana is keen to work with him? 

My point exactly. Spurs played CL football under Pochettino for multiple seasons. They were one of the best teams in the league finishing 2nd/3rd/4th (whatever it was) but it didn't stop Kyle Walker going to Man City did it.

 

The whole idea that we keep playing just by playing European football is warped. Players want to win trophies.

[davieG]

2 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said:

Yeah of course I've simplified it, but ultimately the ability to repay loans, and the ability for KP to loan to the club is massively affected by global conditions, which is why after the pandemic we are in a difficult financial position. 

We're in this position with the football because we have an over inflated and possible over paid squad. We made some poor purchases although Vestergaard was only signed because of the injury to Fofana.  It would seem we have players not getting game time that are happy to continue to get the bigger wage to playing regularly somewhere else, which is their right.

[grobyfox1990]

1 hour ago, Matt said:

I mentioned this a few weeks back. 
 

People seem to use Europe as a reason for us struggling, at the same time it’s what the aim is.

 

I get “putting a positive spin on it” but when we treat the opportunities and talk about it with such contempt then what’s the point?

 

Going off topic a little bit, I was hoping one of the benefits of no European football would be more Saturday 3pm’s but many of our games have been moved already  

There is NO plus side to not being in Europe. Teams from Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Bosnia, Armenia, Kosovo and many other disparate countries qualify, and I want to go to them! West Ham could be going to Faroe Islands for their qualifier, so lucky 

[filbertway]

18 minutes ago, MPH said:

but players are going to want to leave is my point, not that financially we can deal with out the money.

 

Sorry I clearly didn't make my point very well . Good players joining Leicester care about 2 things (bang average 28-30 year old players care about 1). Money on offer and being able to showcase their abilities to secure a move to a bigger club.

 

 

Players will always want to leave. Us being in a 3rd or 2nd tier european tournament won't be what makes Maddison or Fofana want to stay. In fact, both will want to move on to bigger clubs in the next 12 months if they have a good season with us.

 

Currently, we're proving right now by our lack of movement in the market that we want to be sulf-sustainable. The only way for us to have a degree of success by operating that way, is to buy players to develop and sell. Once players have a good season and get interest from other clubs, we will most likely sell them. 

 

[davieG]

3 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

My point exactly. Spurs played CL football under Pochettino for multiple seasons. They were one of the best teams in the league finishing 2nd/3rd/4th (whatever it was) but it didn't stop Kyle Walker going to Man City did it.

 

The whole idea that we keep playing just by playing European football is warped. Players want to win trophies.

....and as inflated as our wages might be they'll get a lot more elsewhere.