Claridge Posted 18 June 2023 Posted 18 June 2023 defo worth the risk to keep, if he is fit for 30 games we should be close to the top 6 as he is a class above anyone else we have
Tommy Fresh Posted 18 June 2023 Posted 18 June 2023 1 minute ago, Claridge said: defo worth the risk to keep, if he is fit for 30 games we should be close to the top 6 as he is a class above anyone else we have He's not really a class above anymore is he, even when fit over the past couple of years he's been as bad as the rest of them. 3
Chelmofox Posted 18 June 2023 Posted 18 June 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Claridge said: defo worth the risk to keep, if he is fit for 30 games we should be close to the top 6 as he is a class above anyone else we have 30 games. We could pay him 90k a week on a 3 year deal and you won’t see 30 games from him. 13 league appearances last year on a crazy salary, and we have people wanting him to stay. Don’t get it. Edited 18 June 2023 by Chelmofox 3
Claridge Posted 18 June 2023 Posted 18 June 2023 17 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said: He's not really a class above anymore is he, even when fit over the past couple of years he's been as bad as the rest of them. amartey, Faes 1
bongo92 Posted 18 June 2023 Posted 18 June 2023 Releasing him, and using his wages elsewhere will be far more valuable.  His experience for a few games a season does not make up for money it ll take to keep him. Suggesting otherwise is brain dead, and will be the type of reasoning which keeps the squad bloated/over paid and therefore not competitive.  If people are dead set on keeping him, he needs a pay as you play contract, or offered a coaching role (I don’t know if he is even interested in this).  My other concern is he captained the side during its worst collapse for many years. It either suggests something about his leadership (remember he was captain and getting in to trouble with West Brom when they were relegated prior to us buying him), or that his input from the sidelines is not sufficient. 3
Dahnsouff Posted 18 June 2023 Posted 18 June 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, bongo92 said: Releasing him, and using his wages elsewhere will be far more valuable.  His experience for a few games a season does not make up for money it ll take to keep him. Suggesting otherwise is brain dead, and will be the type of reasoning which keeps the squad bloated/over paid and therefore not competitive.  If people are dead set on keeping him, he needs a pay as you play contract, or offered a coaching role (I don’t know if he is even interested in this).  My other concern is he captained the side during its worst collapse for many years. It either suggests something about his leadership (remember he was captain and getting in to trouble with West Brom when they were relegated prior to us buying him), or that his input from the sidelines is not sufficient. This means paying him the balance of his contract, give or take a little from negotiation, so no, it would be madness.  Edit yup, am idiot Edited 18 June 2023 by Dahnsouff
coolhandfox Posted 18 June 2023 Posted 18 June 2023 17 hours ago, filbertway said: I dont see Vardy as a leader in the slightest Depends how you view leadership. Â What he did do was lead by example on the pitch, more of a talisman then a leader I suppose. Â Unfortunately father time caught up with him and he was no longer able too.
Aus Fox Posted 18 June 2023 Posted 18 June 2023 3 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: This means paying him the balance of his contract, give or take a little from negotiation, so no, it would be madness. He’s out of contract… 2
Dahnsouff Posted 18 June 2023 Posted 18 June 2023 3 minutes ago, Aus Fox said: He’s out of contract… So……you….are saying the balance…..might…possibly be quite small then….   1
ClaphamFox Posted 18 June 2023 Posted 18 June 2023 4 minutes ago, Aus Fox said: He’s out of contract… Exactly. He could leave now with zero cost to the club. But the club wants him to stay - that’s the whole point. 1
Chelmofox Posted 18 June 2023 Posted 18 June 2023 Just now, ClaphamFox said: Exactly. He could leave now with zero cost to the club. But the club wants him to stay - that’s the whole point. Do they?
Dahnsouff Posted 18 June 2023 Posted 18 June 2023 Just now, ClaphamFox said: Exactly. He could leave now with zero cost to the club. But the club wants him to stay - that’s the whole point. Yes I realise now, commencing walk of shame shortly 2
bongo92 Posted 18 June 2023 Posted 18 June 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: This means paying him the balance of his contract, give or take a little from negotiation, so no, it would be madness. Just seen your subsequent post.  Don’t know why the club are entertaining contract talks with him. Edited 18 June 2023 by bongo92
Dahnsouff Posted 18 June 2023 Posted 18 June 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, bongo92 said: He’s out of contract… in contract talks now… Despite editing my post, I think mayregret posting on this topic. Edited 18 June 2023 by Dahnsouff 1
Guest Lako42 Posted 18 June 2023 Posted 18 June 2023 Get rid of this crock.  The captain that took us down.  Rid the club of the stench of relegation.Â
bongo92 Posted 18 June 2023 Posted 18 June 2023 Just now, Lako42 said: Get rid of this crock.  The captain that took us down.  Rid the club of the stench of relegation.  nice display picture.Â
Matt Posted 18 June 2023 Posted 18 June 2023 8 minutes ago, Chelmofox said: Do they? Well you'd have to question the logic of offering him a new contract if they didn't want him to stay.
ClaphamFox Posted 18 June 2023 Posted 18 June 2023 8 minutes ago, Chelmofox said: Do they? Well it’s been widely reported that they’re trying to persuade him to sign a new contract, so if they don’t want him to stay that would be a weird move…
Mr Mister Posted 18 June 2023 Posted 18 June 2023 Stupid to offer him a new contract. He is too old and injury prone.
nnfox Posted 18 June 2023 Posted 18 June 2023 Small basic salary and decent appearance bonus would surely be the sensible way forward?
ClaphamFox Posted 18 June 2023 Posted 18 June 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Mr Mister said: Stupid to offer him a new contract. He is too old and injury prone. When fit, he’s be a class above the vast majority of centre halves in the Championship - maybe they’re confident they can get 25-30 games out of him?  Also, Soyuncu and Amartey have left, and Vestergaard is likely to follow. That’s three centre halves out of the squad. A fourth leaving would leave us down to Faes and Souttar. There are only so many new centre halves you can scout and recruit in one window.. Edited 18 June 2023 by ClaphamFox 1
Chelmofox Posted 18 June 2023 Posted 18 June 2023 17 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said: Well it’s been widely reported that they’re trying to persuade him to sign a new contract, so if they don’t want him to stay that would be a weird move… Presumed this was largely agent talk. Will believe it when the club announce a pay by play contract firmly in our favour and not one that lines the pocket of a sick note.
volpeazzurro Posted 18 June 2023 Posted 18 June 2023 57 minutes ago, Chelmofox said: 30 games. We could pay him 90k a week on a 3 year deal and you won’t see 30 games from him. 13 league appearances last year on a crazy salary, and we have people wanting him to stay. Don’t get it. Agree entirely so if he was to be given a contract then surely it would have to be tied to appearances? If he was young and likely to recover that's one thing but he isn't. Surely the money would be better spent on another younger up and coming replacement.Â
ClaphamFox Posted 18 June 2023 Posted 18 June 2023 4 minutes ago, Chelmofox said: Presumed this was largely agent talk. Will believe it when the club announce a pay by play contract firmly in our favour and not one that lines the pocket of a sick note. No, it was in the official statement when they announced the release of the other seven out-of-contract players:  “The Club remains in discussions with captain Jonny Evans with regard to his future beyond the expiration of his current deal this month.”    Â
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