Stadium atmosphere

[Lako42]

10 hours ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

I thought the forest fans were immense and wish I could've jumped in with them, they were having a blast. 

After going 2-1 up. 

 

 

We were utterly pathetic but they weren't any better until that point. 

Edited 27 October 2024 by Lako42

[Izzy]

What a thoroughly depressing thread this has become.

Time travel me back to pen 3 in the 90’s please

[Grebfromgrebland]

11 minutes ago, Lako42 said:

After going 2-1 up. 

 

 

We were utterly pathetic but they weren't any batter until that point. 

Whatever, how long have we been ahead this season to enjoy.

[Voll Blau]

9 minutes ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

Whatever, how long have we been ahead this season to enjoy.

Try enjoying yourself beforehand. If you're waiting for us to be in the lead before you have a good time, then you're going to end up wasting a lot of your Saturdays.

[rugbyblue]

1 minute ago, Izzy said:

What a thoroughly depressing thread this has become.

Time travel me back to pen 3 in the 90’s please

I was a pen 2 regular myself.  But i get the sentiment. In those days if youd mentioned a singing section or discussion on who contributes enough  to an atmosphere, on a futuristic network you could access on a phone you carry in your pocket, you would have been laughed out of the swan and rushes or turnstile pubs.  

But sadly, I think we need to accept the game has changed.  I wish it hadnt but it has. Im  not one of these "the games gone mate" people because it hasnt totally .....see preston away, Southampton away and generally most away games.  And therein is the answer.  I think at most games these days the away end is better than the home end, regardless of the opposition or division . The very fact you travel away is an indicator that you are willing to make an effort, 7 or more hours on a coach to watch 90 mins of football.  The songs are more varied, more regular and because the fans who want to sing are more concentrated, a greater percentage join in. I haven't been to a city game in a long time where ive experienced a better atmosphere amongst city fans at home than away.  

Home games these days are accesible to almost anyone willing to pay to be a member and pay the extortionate prices. That will include tourists, day trippers and yes, even genuine city fans who dont want to sing. Away days you sometimes have to beg steal or borrow a ticket and its usually the hard core who are willing to do that .

[KrefelderFox666]

Football on the pitch dictates the atmosphere - this is obviously true to some extent but it's a lazy excuse. Make some effort to change that. If that's the excuse you want to use, take a deep look in the mirror.

 

Songbook is thin - again, lame excuse. Is it really? Plenty of songs around that regularly get aired. It might seem thin because trying to keep an atmosphere for 90 mins means repeating a lot of them multiple times.

 

New songs are rubbish or not being aired - new songs do get aired. Some that haven't been tried, get them going, don't solely rely on UFS/SK1. In fact, some of the newer songs UFS try get bashed. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

 

Songs are repetitive and last too long - this happens to try and get people to join in and prevent silence. Again, people need to pull their fingers out and join. "Oh I don't like that chant, I won't join in."

 

Almost a 100% of the problems are people's attitude. It's horrific at times. If people could be bothered to back the team for 90 mins no matter what is happening on the pitch, there would be no need for all these discussions. That's the crux of it. But people will find multiple excuses to cover that.

 

Yes, UFS can improve but everything is done with the aim of getting behind the team and getting others to join in. Chants are started because very rarely, others do. Thus it is mostly driven by UFS but if others are loud enough, that does not always have to be the case. There can be improvements on starting the "right" songs at the right time. Within UFS, this is something we look to do regularly but we are not perfect. A lot of the time it requires some quick thinking.

 

In summary, we all need to be better if we want to improve the atmosphere. If you leave the ground knowing you gave it everything, you have done your job. I bet you will struggle to find many more than 100 or so who could really say that.

[Gamble92]

Unless we create something like a whole stand of safe standing and say everyone who wants to sing go there and then that stand just bounces for 90 minutes no matter what the score - then in the modern day of course atmosphere will be dictated by what's going on on the pitch.

 

I don't think any pundits say anything other than our ground has a good atmosphere. That's probably still a lot because of the great escape and title winning season but those seasons proved how great it can be. The style of play absolutely dictated that. 

 

I don't think it's lazy to suggest this, just realistic. 

[funkyrobot]

25 minutes ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

Football on the pitch dictates the atmosphere - this is obviously true to some extent but it's a lazy excuse. Make some effort to change that. If that's the excuse you want to use, take a deep look in the mirror.

 

Songbook is thin - again, lame excuse. Is it really? Plenty of songs around that regularly get aired. It might seem thin because trying to keep an atmosphere for 90 mins means repeating a lot of them multiple times.

 

New songs are rubbish or not being aired - new songs do get aired. Some that haven't been tried, get them going, don't solely rely on UFS/SK1. In fact, some of the newer songs UFS try get bashed. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

 

Songs are repetitive and last too long - this happens to try and get people to join in and prevent silence. Again, people need to pull their fingers out and join. "Oh I don't like that chant, I won't join in."

 

Almost a 100% of the problems are people's attitude. It's horrific at times. If people could be bothered to back the team for 90 mins no matter what is happening on the pitch, there would be no need for all these discussions. That's the crux of it. But people will find multiple excuses to cover that.

 

Yes, UFS can improve but everything is done with the aim of getting behind the team and getting others to join in. Chants are started because very rarely, others do. Thus it is mostly driven by UFS but if others are loud enough, that does not always have to be the case. There can be improvements on starting the "right" songs at the right time. Within UFS, this is something we look to do regularly but we are not perfect. A lot of the time it requires some quick thinking.

 

In summary, we all need to be better if we want to improve the atmosphere. If you leave the ground knowing you gave it everything, you have done your job. I bet you will struggle to find many more than 100 or so who could really say that.

Were you honestly making the effort to chant throughout the match against Forest? Because if you were there were times when you couldn’t be heard. I was there as I always am as a season ticket holder and I try and join in with any UFS chants who I sit further along from. After Forest went 3-1 up, Bouba had come on and it was very clear that Cooper and the team were going through the motions, it was very quiet, only Forest fans could be heard. 

[Izzy]

9 minutes ago, Gamble92 said:

Unless we create something like a whole stand of safe standing and say everyone who wants to sing go there and then that stand just bounces for 90 minutes no matter what the score - then in the modern day of course atmosphere will be dictated by what's going on on the pitch.

 

I don't think any pundits say anything other than our ground has a good atmosphere. That's probably still a lot because of the great escape and title winning season but those seasons proved how great it can be. The style of play absolutely dictated that. 

 

I don't think it's lazy to suggest this, just realistic. 

I think the point is that when things are going well on the pitch, it’s easy as a fan to sing and make a noise getting swept up in the excitement.

 

The issue is when things aren’t going so well and the team need the crowd to urge them on - which takes effort.

 

’Sing your hearts out for the lads’ regardless 

[ElusiveEd]

Block P was bouncing in the second half with the noise and atmosphere created by Forest fans, literally bouncing.

 

It could be felt underfoot and seen when you looked at the lights and framework of the stadium.

 

I've never felt that from any visiting fans before and the only time I have felt it in the ground was during our Prem title winning season.

 

They were immense!

 

Whenever I hear "Your support is f*****g S**t" I'm embarrassed and in my head I'm saying "I really can't argue with you" 

[KrefelderFox666]

7 hours ago, funkyrobot said:

Were you honestly making the effort to chant throughout the match against Forest? Because if you were there were times when you couldn’t be heard. I was there as I always am as a season ticket holder and I try and join in with any UFS chants who I sit further along from. After Forest went 3-1 up, Bouba had come on and it was very clear that Cooper and the team were going through the motions, it was very quiet, only Forest fans could be heard. 

I know that it happens, when we are losing or playing badly on the pitch, the stadium goes quiet. The point I am making is that it's down to us fans to change that. Just because we are playing badly, doesn't mean we have to be silent. It's not inspiring and it is hard work but that just requires extra effort from individuals. It's like saying player X and Y had a bad game because the team didn't play well. In those moments you need individuals to step up and try and change things.

[grobyfox1990]

8 hours ago, Gamble92 said:

Unless we create something like a whole stand of safe standing and say everyone who wants to sing go there and then that stand just bounces for 90 minutes no matter what the score - then in the modern day of course atmosphere will be dictated by what's going on on the pitch.

 

I don't think any pundits say anything other than our ground has a good atmosphere. That's probably still a lot because of the great escape and title winning season but those seasons proved how great it can be. The style of play absolutely dictated that. 

 

I don't think it's lazy to suggest this, just realistic. 

They’ve created a singing section and barely anyone sings. If they create a whole stand of safe standing it’ll be full of kids in tracksuits on their phones. Then the next excuse will be ‘ticket office is a shambles mate they don’t care we need the stadium turned upside down that’s the only way there’ll be atmosphere clubs a joke’ 

The list of excuses to avoid the fact people don’t want to sing is pathetic: clappers, goal music, pre match music. 

[purpleronnie]

45 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

They’ve created a singing section and barely anyone sings. If they create a whole stand of safe standing it’ll be full of kids in tracksuits on their phones. Then the next excuse will be ‘ticket office is a shambles mate they don’t care we need the stadium turned upside down that’s the only way there’ll be atmosphere clubs a joke’ 

The list of excuses to avoid the fact people don’t want to sing is pathetic: clappers, goal music, pre match music. 

I think this would be true, I genuinely thought safe standing would make a difference to atmosphere, but you see it at other grounds and it really hasn't improved, we're a nation of standers for sure, but not of singers.

[funkyrobot]

1 hour ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

I know that it happens, when we are losing or playing badly on the pitch, the stadium goes quiet. The point I am making is that it's down to us fans to change that. Just because we are playing badly, doesn't mean we have to be silent. It's not inspiring and it is hard work but that just requires extra effort from individuals. It's like saying player X and Y had a bad game because the team didn't play well. In those moments you need individuals to step up and try and change things.

I was asking whether you were there chanting throughout as there were times when tbh other than shouts of encouragement or exasperation, there were no audible chants, particularly when we were 3-1 down so I’m not sure even you were actually following your call to arms. Or were you even there? 

[kristianity77]

The issue these days compared to say the 90s is that you could watch a City game in the 90s and it was throwaway money. Win lose or draw you had a decent time because it didn’t burn a massive hole in your pocket to go.

 

These days in comparison it’s really expensive to go.  So as a fan you almost feel like you have a right to be entertained for the money you are throwing at it.

 

if you go the cinema and pay say 8 quid to watch a film and it’s shit, it’s not really that big an issue.  If you went then cinema to watch a film and it was shit but it had cost you the best part of 50 quid, you’d be raging.

 

what I’m getting at and by no means am I being harsh on groups of people but the ones that used to go, have a good time regardless, are priced out of going these days.  That’s why the atmosphere isn’t as good as it used to be.

 

you go along to lower league games or even non league games and the atmosphere is infinitely better despite there probably only being a few thousand there. 
 

I used to watch Kidderminster Harriers when I lived over that way and their atmosphere was banging.  It cost 15 quid to get in.

 

More recently because of where I live I’ve seen Lincoln City play and again the atmosphere is considerably better and louder than you get on top tier games. But again, it’s around 20 quid to get in.

 

The more expensive football gets to watch, the more alienated the fans are who instigate the atmosphere you find in a stadium

[Stuntman_Mike]

10 hours ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

I thought the forest fans were immense and wish I could've jumped in with them, they were having a blast. 

 

[ElusiveEd]

10 minutes ago, kristianity77 said:

The issue these days compared to say the 90s is that you could watch a City game in the 90s and it was throwaway money. Win lose or draw you had a decent time because it didn’t burn a massive hole in your pocket to go.

 

These days in comparison it’s really expensive to go.  So as a fan you almost feel like you have a right to be entertained for the money you are throwing at it.

 

if you go the cinema and pay say 8 quid to watch a film and it’s shit, it’s not really that big an issue.  If you went then cinema to watch a film and it was shit but it had cost you the best part of 50 quid, you’d be raging.

 

what I’m getting at and by no means am I being harsh on groups of people but the ones that used to go, have a good time regardless, are priced out of going these days.  That’s why the atmosphere isn’t as good as it used to be.

 

you go along to lower league games or even non league games and the atmosphere is infinitely better despite there probably only being a few thousand there. 
 

I used to watch Kidderminster Harriers when I lived over that way and their atmosphere was banging.  It cost 15 quid to get in.

 

More recently because of where I live I’ve seen Lincoln City play and again the atmosphere is considerably better and louder than you get on top tier games. But again, it’s around 20 quid to get in.

 

The more expensive football gets to watch, the more alienated the fans are who instigate the atmosphere you find in a stadium

Yeah, back in the good old Filbert Street days Braunstone, Beaumont Leys and Highfields would be empty on match days.

 

Now it's Quorn, Rothley and Market Harborough. 

[FoxesTalker]

The soulless feel inside the ground, along with all the unauthentic atmosphere enhancements, is exactly what fans of other clubs are concerned about and desperate to avoid when moving to a modern stadium. 

[Fox92]

37 minutes ago, FoxesTalker said:

The soulless feel inside the ground, along with all the unauthentic atmosphere enhancements, is exactly what fans of other clubs are concerned about and desperate to avoid when moving to a modern stadium. 

Modern grounds are so easy to be an opponent in. They are to nice.

[Nolucklcfc]

1 minute ago, Fox92 said:

Modern grounds are so easy to be an opponent in. They are to nice.

To a point but it doesn’t mean fans can’t make it intimidating. It’s just another excuse for shit support. 

[MS0204]

6 minutes ago, Nolucklcfc said:

To a point but it doesn’t mean fans can’t make it intimidating. It’s just another excuse for shit support. 

Absolutely, Everton will move to a modern stadium next season and I guarantee even if they are in the championship it’ll be a better atmosphere because they have fans that are up for it and not routined 

[Nolucklcfc]

9 minutes ago, MS0204 said:

Absolutely, Everton will move to a modern stadium next season and I guarantee even if they are in the championship it’ll be a better atmosphere because they have fans that are up for it and not routined 

Completely different level of passion too. They live for it up there.

[MS0204]

I feel like this topic goes round in a 360 most of the time. Here is a genuine suggestion and I ain’t pointing the finger at anyone.. maybe have the drum but use it for less time in match. Use it to get the song going and then stop to see what happens. I came out the other day losing my voice, but 10 rows behind when a few try to change the song it ain’t easy. 
 

on a side note I saw a clip of Mansfield fans at Wigan the other day and they had a drum, although the ground was 80% empty they were having a blast. It may be a pain in the arse but I think the drum would be better away than home (just an opinion don’t jump on me )

[MattFox]

10 minutes ago, MS0204 said:

Absolutely, Everton will move to a modern stadium next season and I guarantee even if they are in the championship it’ll be a better atmosphere because they have fans that are up for it and not routined 

They wouldn’t applaud the team off the pitch if they got relegated either 

[ForestAreMagic]

I saw us play at Filbert Street 3 times in the 90s and it was one of the most intimating grounds in the country - it was off the scale hostile next to the Kop.

 

TBF I thought your fans were pretty good in the 4-0 2 years ago, but not hostile like Filbert Street.  
 

I couldn’t get tickets this time but mates who went did say the Forest end was one of our better ones recently - loads of blokes on the lash at a local rival made it feel like the old days