Tops landed in u.k

[Matt]

19 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

in fairness to Top, before the world cup all of his blind faith in rodgers had paid off. He did turn it around.

 

I still don’t think it’s a gamble he should have been taking but if we stay in the league and he saves some coins on rodgers than it may ultimately be a good call.

 

The one thing that does frustrate me, is that we really could have squeezed the coins for lookman, but as he wasn’t a top priority we didn’t. The grass isn’t always greener and that will go down as a huge faux pas when he moves to a big club for 50+ mil in the summer 

No, it's just part of his revolving cycle where he does just enough every few months to keep him in a job.

 

There is no way that was his way, vision of how he sees the game play or philosophy. Couldn't be further apart.

 

This is a regular cycle where we play his way for months, stinking the place out, then when there is murmurs of pressure he switches to get a few results, pressure off, back to his way.

[The_77]

9 minutes ago, SemperEadem said:

My knives not out for him as such. My issue is and always has been the bizarre bootlicking culture from our fanbase towards the ‘owners’ or a bloke that got named ‘the boss’. 

That’s what all the players and staff affectionately called him, he’s not the boss of you, it’s not that deep. 

[Jimmy]

with the signings being made Rodgers is signing his death warrant if he doesn't turn it around as he can't claim to have not been supported

[sacreblueits442]

1 hour ago, cruzFOX said:

my issue was with our fans who had the knives out for Top and the KP family that was ott.

...what you are describing was the echo chamber which is FT!!!

  You were not experiencing this at the ground, it was not ott, it was perfectly valid questions which needed answers and like all forums there is a polarisation of views.

[Gamble92]

10 minutes ago, Jimmy said:

with the signings being made Rodgers is signing his death warrant if he doesn't turn it around as he can't claim to have not been supported

He'll find something. It was too late. Players didn't want to be here. Etc etc 

[sacreblueits442]

25 minutes ago, Jimmy said:

with the signings being made Rodgers is signing his death warrant if he doesn't turn it around as he can't claim to have not been supported

...that was my take on the situation!!!

  My more recent thoughts are his reference to the club bringing in players and him putting distance between players coming in and himself.

  Is that an issue about to raise its head someway down the line. Giving him enough rope to hang himself, or a way out.

Edited 29 January 2023 by sacreblueits442
Spelling error.

[Dusty]

36 minutes ago, Matt said:

No, it's just part of his revolving cycle where he does just enough every few months to keep him in a job.

 

There is no way that was his way, vision of how he sees the game play or philosophy. Couldn't be further apart.

 

This is a regular cycle where we play his way for months, stinking the place out, then when there is murmurs of pressure he switches to get a few results, pressure off, back to his way.

That is delusional. Do you honestly believe that he loses games and then when he thinks his job is at risk, he just decides to win them? You can’t be a fully grown man and truthfully have that opinion.

[Matt]

1 minute ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...that was my take on the situation!!!

  My more recent thoughts are his reference to the club bringing in players and him putting distance between players coming in and himself.

  Is that an issue about to raise its head someway down the line. Giving him enough rope to hang himself.

I've noticed this, he's made sure its known it's scouting and recruitment staff.

 

The comments on Kristiansen were telling "It's one that the scouting team have looked at for a while", "He's got a good profile, He's a very bright lad. He's got personality. You can see that in some of the games, and what I hear from the scouts."

 

It seems the club has been trying to wrestle back some control regarding signings that, along with his comments does seem to be adding up to pre-empting excuses on his behalf.

[kingkisnorbo]

58 minutes ago, lcfcbluearmy said:

In the same light I don't think you should be getting your knives out for him. All clubs go through trubble at one point or another the mark of a good owner is being able to guide us out of it. With the investment in this window hopefully that will happen. If we are in a similar position come summer and nothing is done I think then you can question. Fans seem to be hugely over reacting after 1 summer of minimal incomings. I don't believe at all that his intrest has waned. He may well have been distracted for a while but hopefully things will get sorted and we will be back on track

He didn’t turn it round though. We’re one point off the drop. 

[Scotch]

Listen, he/we weren't investing in the team. The players we did have were not performing in the pitch. Our manager was under performing and not only was there no communication from him about any of this to the fans but he wasn't around which (rightly or wrongly) gives the impression that he's uninterested. I can totally understand the criticism. He's not above it regardless of us being grateful to what he and his family have done for the club.

 

Now, he's here and present and we are making what looks like promising signings to improve performances on the pitch and give the manager the tools he needs to do what's expected of him. So he rightly deserves credit for making changes to turn us around. 

[Matt]

2 hours ago, Dusty said:

That is delusional. Do you honestly believe that he loses games and then when he thinks his job is at risk, he just decides to win them? You can’t be a fully grown man and truthfully have that opinion.

No, no. That's not what i've said or were implying.

 

He has a vision, a way how he sees the game to be played, his philosophy. He doesn't do it to lose games or lose games on purpose, it's just his way, but, it stinks.

 

However, there is a clear and obvious way that gets the best out of our players, doesn't always necessarily win doing it, but we certainly play alot better, players looking far more comfortable and have a better chance of getting a result, that way isn't Rodgers' way though, it's not a way he sees how the game should be played.

 

I defy you to tell me those games before the World Cup were the way Rodgers wanted us to play, it's not his style, philosophy or vision. Can you not see a differentiate? A cycle?

 

Generally, for a sustained amount of time, he's inflexible and too stubborn to play that way, returning to his way.

 

Edited 29 January 2023 by Matt

[Dusty]

1 hour ago, Matt said:

No, no. That's not what i've said or were implying.

 

He has a vision, a way how he sees the game to be play, his philosophy. He doesn't do it to lose games or lose games on purpose, it's just his way, but, it stinks.

 

However, there is a clear and obvious way that gets the best out of our players, doesn't always necessarily win doing it, but we certainly play alot better, players looking far more comfortable and have a better chance of getting a result, that way isn't Rodgers' way though, it's not a way he sees how the game should be played.

 

I defy you to tell me those games before the World Cup were the way Rodgers wanted us to play, it's not his style, philosophy or vision. Can you not see a differentiate? A cycle?

 

Generally, for a sustained amount of time, he's inflexible and too stubborn to play that way, returning to his way.

 

Okay, so for the first 2 years where we were successful and playing really good football, were the players playing his way, their own way, or puels way? 

[don_danbury]

2 minutes ago, Dusty said:

Okay, so for the first 2 years where we were successful and playing really good football, were the players playing his way, their own way, or puels way? 

played good football for 2 years under rodgers? 

[FoxyLeon]

I'm hoping this sudden change back to our previous recruitment system, is a sign that Rodgers has taught Top a lesson, the same way Sven did, with regards to recruitment.

[Matt]

35 minutes ago, Dusty said:

Okay, so for the first 2 years where we were successful and playing really good football, were the players playing his way, their own way, or puels way? 

Erm, we played 2 halves of good football over the two seasons.

 

Downing tools come the turn of the year of both seasons.

 

'Who's football' I don't really know. For fairness and with no 'agenda' you can only credit Rodgers I guess but people bang on about 2 seasons of great football, lets have it right, it was 2 half seasons.

 

In the here and now 'his' football stinks the place out and has done for 2+ years.

 

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[StanSP]

2 hours ago, Matt said:

I've noticed this, he's made sure its known it's scouting and recruitment staff.

 

The comments on Kristiansen were telling "It's one that the scouting team have looked at for a while", "He's got a good profile, He's a very bright lad. He's got personality. You can see that in some of the games, and what I hear from the scouts."

 

It seems the club has been trying to wrestle back some control regarding signings that, along with his comments does seem to be adding up to pre-empting excuses on his behalf.

You'll spin anything that much won't you

 

[Matt]

Just now, StanSP said:

You'll spin anything that much won't you

 

It has been said for some time that the belief is the club has tried to wrestle back control of signings.

 

They are literal quotes.

 

How else do you want me to form an opinion and discussion?

[StanSP]

Just now, Matt said:

It has been said for some time that the belief is the club has tried to wrestle back control of signings.

 

They are literal quotes.

 

How else do you want me to form an opinion and discussion?

What about Rodgers saying he has had meetings with DoF and recruitment team? Would that not mean he still has some say in signings, and not just pinning the blame on them to cover himself if it does go tits up?

[Matt]

8 minutes ago, StanSP said:

What about Rodgers saying he has had meetings with DoF and recruitment team? Would that not mean he still has some say in signings, and not just pinning the blame on them to cover himself if it does go tits up?

I can't say i've seen those quotes but regardless are we saying he makes signings and has any say in them or not?

 

Because for quite some time now it's been said along the lines of "Oh you can't blame him for the signings it's a recruitment team" or "How do you know he's made these signings?" now all of a sudden he's having input? (Before they've even kicking a ball so these signings could go either way still, well, Kristiansen has had 30 minutes). Can't have it both ways.

 

Besides, is @Sacrebleuits442 'spinning it' anyway? As I was agreeing with his initial comments. I simply provided quotes to back up his and my opinion.

 

Edited 29 January 2023 by Matt

[StanSP]

1 minute ago, Matt said:

I can't say i've seen those quotes but regardless are we saying he makes signings and has any say in them or not?

 

Because for quite some time now it's been said along the lines of "Oh you can't blame him for the signings it's a recruitment team" or "How do you know he's made these signings?" now all of a sudden he's having input? (Before they've even kicking a ball so these signings could go either way still, well, Kristiansen has had 30 minutes). Can't have it both ways.

There's another from recently but I can't find it.

 

It's not 'all of a sudden'. I think it's quite clear there's been involvement over the year in transfers, but it's actually okay to see that the recruitment team are having more of a say. That in itself is not to say Rodgers is fully out of the picture. It doesn't always just have to be black or white in terms of 'Rodgers fault'. 

 

Based on the first post I quoted, you now believe he's already getting his excuses in by picking one of his quotes where he's said that it's the recruitment/scouting tea that found him and foreseeing that they should take the brunt of the criticism if he turns out to be a poor buy. 

[sacreblueits442]

1 hour ago, Dusty said:

Okay, so for the first 2 years where we were successful and playing really good football, were the players playing his way, their own way, or puels way? 

...there is a distinct change in the way we play now to the way we played then!!!

A good contrast was the games against Villa (in the League Cup) I just could not believe what I was seeing when I was taking my seat, the ball was being passed around the back forever. We were the home team, and we could not get out of our own half!! After getting knocked out and playing them again, we went back to the way we had been playing and we were so much the better team, we dominated them, you just cannot understand why we went to this passing around at the back, it just does not work for us.

[Tom12345]

6 hours ago, splinterdream said:

We were told it was all down to ffp though, I don't think fofana took an astronomical wage. We could have signed lookman if this was the case, £15m was a snip and he went for £8m i believe. I know we didn't get money straight away, but I'm sure a similar agreement could have been sorted for lookman. 

I don't believe what we were told, it's all very curious. 

Should have signed Lookman. He was a bargain. He is on fire in Serie A.

[Dusty]

30 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...there is a distinct change in the way we play now to the way we played then!!!

A good contrast was the games against Villa (in the League Cup) I just could not believe what I was seeing when I was taking my seat, the ball was being passed around the back forever. We were the home team, and we could not get out of our own half!! After getting knocked out and playing them again, we went back to the way we had been playing and we were so much the better team, we dominated them, you just cannot understand why we went to this passing around at the back, it just does not work for us.

I think the way we play has changed, but I don’t think that’s necessarily due to the tactics. I personally think that he’s not motivating the players enough and giving them enough confidence to play that way, along with having injuries and stand in players not being able to play that way. When we’re confident, we still pass it around with pace, we play risky and progressive passes and try to dominate teams. I understand why people wouldn’t agree, but to me that’s what’s happening.

[sacreblueits442]

2 minutes ago, Dusty said:

I think the way we play has changed, but I don’t think that’s necessarily due to the tactics. I personally think that he’s not motivating the players enough and giving them enough confidence to play that way, along with having injuries and stand in players not being able to play that way. When we’re confident, we still pass it around with pace, we play risky and progressive passes and try to dominate teams. I understand why people wouldn’t agree, but to me that’s what’s happening.

...so if you know the players that you have cannot play the way that you want them to, why do you not change the way you play until you have the personnel to play in the way you seek to!!!

  It is a confusing setup, these players are best in playing a certain way, yet the manager is insisting they play in a certain way, contrary to the ability of the players under his charge.

[Dusty]

Just now, sacreblueits442 said:

...so if you know the players that you have cannot play the way that you want them to, why do you not change the way you play until you have the personnel to play in the way you seek to!!!

  It is a confusing setup, these players are best in playing a certain way, yet the manager is insisting they play in a certain way, contrary to the ability of the players under his charge.

Well you need to train certain principles and ways of playing throughout the season, you can’t just turn up on match day and decide which way you want to play. If you’re referring to the way we play out the back then I get the frustration, but lumping it forward just invites pressure as well. I don’t think the way we’re trying to play is wrong, I just think it’s the mentality of the team that’s the issue.