Gary Lineker steps down from MOTD

[Sampson]

3 minutes ago, Otis said:

Comparing government policies to Nazi Germany?

It's clear you made up your mind before even reading what Lineker wrote. He didn't compare a UK policy to anything. He wasn't even talking about a policy, but referring to the language used in a specific speech by Suella Braveman, which he said was "not dissimilar" (his exact words) to words use in 1930s Germany, which was objectively true.

[Bordersfox]

Just now, HighPeakFox said:

It is very difficult to keep this debate rational when enough people misquote, fail to read or just outright perform detailed mental gymnastics in order to avoid the important issue at hand.

Thank you.  

 

Sorry I've run out of reactions for the day after quite the splurge last night.

[The whole world smiles]

1 minute ago, Otis said:

So it's OK to defend free speech as long as you agree with it. 

Please note I'm not agree agreeing with his above mentioned comments. 

If you have similar veiws to the government then you are allowed to voice them and carry on presenting on the beeb like Clarkson and Sir Alan Sugar, but if your veiws oppose the government then you get taken of air. This is a very dangerous precedent. 

[The whole world smiles]

1 minute ago, Otis said:

So it's OK to defend free speech as long as you agree with it. 

Please note I'm not agree agreeing with his above mentioned comments. 

If you have similar veiws to the government then you are allowed to voice them and carry on presenting on the beeb like Clarkson and Sir Alan Sugar, but if your veiws oppose the government then you get taken of air. This is a very dangerous precedent. 

[TJQuik]

56 minutes ago, Sampson said:

All roads lead back to David Cameron. It was him who opened Pandora’s Box and created this division in the country with his needless, absurd, vanity project referendum that no one really wanted, because of a small bit of infighting within his own party that would’ve cost them maybe 3 or 4 seats at most.

 

Remember after the 2012 Olympics when the country was celebrating a wave of general good will and it felt like it all brought us together? The country changed notably since the language and rhetoric of the 2016 referendum. 

 

Cameron should be remembered by history as the Sulla of the modern era who sowed all the seeds for the current mess.

I wonder why people who think Brexit is the cause of absolutely everything wrong with this country always have such a hard on for the 2012 Olympics. It comes across as just as jingoistic as the gammons they claim to be so opposed to, with the idea that Britain being "unified" is somehow positive within itself. I don't think the victims of the British Empire or its modern equivalent would give a rat's arse whether this country is "unified". Countries we're told not to like are portrayed as unified as though they're all mindless drones who have no opinions for themselves.

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, HighPeakFox said:

It is very difficult to keep this debate rational when enough people misquote, fail to read or just outright perform detailed mental gymnastics in order to avoid the important issue at hand.

It is true, very much a case of using “what he said” or deciding “what he meant” on his behalf, and it is best to stick to literal interpretation to avoid misunderstandings I think

[Towelie]

4 minutes ago, Nalis said:

Devil advocate time and a bit off topic - One thing I will say its that while I disagree with the elites pouting phrases like champagne socialism, I can sympathise with the working class or poor using it. There's a huge difference between the two as I can understand the working class and poor being told how to live their life by a rich socialite a little condensing.

And Linekar should be the poster boy for the working class and poor.

 

From working on a market stall to scoring goals for England at the World Cup.

[Gravel]

Football Focus replaced by Bargain Hunt so not all bad new 😏

[Fox1norfolk]

3 minutes ago, Raj said:

No final score now.

Jason Muhammad backing Linkere now

 

2 minutes ago, marcymarc666 said:

Spot on. A day at the Holocaust museum might educate the ignorant idiot.

Leicester legend, but a bit of a dick head.

Sorry Garry

I totally agree. A few years ago I was on a cruise ship in the middle of the Med about 200 miles from the North African coast and we stopped as two inflatable rafts full of people escaping the horrors of war torn African countries were try to cross, which would take them days. We stopped by until Spanish rescue boats could reach them. Looking down at these poor souls made me feel so sad, we had everything on a luxury cruise ship and they had absolutely nothing. Later on the cruise we docked in Albania a very pleasant peaceful country, however what one reads the latest figures of people crossing the channel in small boats around 70% are from Albania in the control of the extensive Albanian gangs. A selection process should be in place to help the ones who are desperate and return the ones who are not. 

[The Horse's Mouth]

19 minutes ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

Genuine question. Would scrapping the license fee and having the BBC go commercial/subscription be the only way to end this kind of government interference in the BBC?

Probably would be worse in fairness, they wouldn’t need to be impartial without the tax payer burden 

[Foxdiamond]

It is pathetic that someone posts a view on their twitter account not related to their job is then forced out of his job. The view expressed was lawful and not incendiary. It was not even critical of the employer.

[Bellend Sebastian]

2 minutes ago, Gravel said:

Football Focus replaced by Bargain Hunt so not all bad new 😏

Is it the episode where The Darkness take on Feeder?

 

This could yet all be worth it

[Gravel]

2 minutes ago, Fox1norfolk said:

 

I totally agree. A few years ago I was on a cruise ship in the middle of the Med about 200 miles from the North African coast and we stopped as two inflatable rafts full of people escaping the horrors of war torn African countries were try to cross, which would take them days. We stopped by until Spanish rescue boats could reach them. Looking down at these poor souls made me feel so sad, we had everything on a luxury cruise ship and they had absolutely nothing. Later on the cruise we docked in Albania a very pleasant peaceful country, however what one reads the latest figures of people crossing the channel in small boats around 70% are from Albania in the control of the extensive Albanian gangs. A selection process should be in place to help the ones who are desperate and return the ones who are not. 

I'm confused by this argument being used to support the case that Lineker is a dick head?

[Facecloth]

7 minutes ago, Nalis said:

Devil advocate time and a bit off topic - One thing I will say its that while I disagree with the elites pouting phrases like champagne socialism, I can sympathise with the working class or poor using it. There's a huge difference between the two as I can understand the working class and poor being told how to live their life by a rich socialite a little condensing.

Has Gary Lineker told the poor and working class how to live their life though? Never seen him do that. I think people who are rich and then think somehow people on below average salaries can just go out and buy an electric car or upgrade their old boiler at the drop of a hat are fair game for criticism, but Lineker speaking out over our government's treatment of refugees and people's traffickers has nothing to do with someone earning a minimum wage or claiming benefits in this country.

[Gravel]

5 minutes ago, Gravel said:

Football Focus replaced by Bargain Hunt so not all bad new 😏

I suppose a repeat of Homes Under the Hammer risked Dion Dublin pulling out

[SouthStandUpperTier]

Just now, The Horse's Mouth said:

Probably would be worse in fairness, they wouldn’t need to be impartial without the tax payer burden 

True. But the BBC has never really been impartial or free from government interference anyway. That's always been an illusion imo. Wherever human beings are involved there will always be bias. 

 

 

[Dahnsouff]

They should give it to @Ric Flair for this Saturday

[Spiritwalker]

1 hour ago, harpendenfox said:

So over the last few years I've watched a programme on Sky Atlantic called Babylon Berlin. Yes it is a work of fiction, but is based on the atmosphere in early 1930s Berlin. It's great viewing in its own right in my opinion, but for a portrayal of how the atrocities of Nazism emerged, how once unacceptable behaviour becomes acceptable, it is fascinating viewing. 

 

I know many will feel politics should be kept out of sport, and here we are on a sports forum, but some things are more important than football. 

 

As a long time FoxesTalk participant I'd also like to comment that I think this particular thread has been excellent, full of extremely thoughtful contributions, and debated in a civilised manner, which is not always our strong point!

Me too, after a recommendation from a poster on the TV thread.

[Le Renard]

21 minutes ago, marcymarc666 said:

Spot on. A day at the Holocaust museum might educate the ignorant idiot.

Leicester legend, but a bit of a dick head.

Sorry Garry

Again you are misrepresenting the tweet, sometimes it would help if you would take things into context.  If you compare Germany in the early 1930s then there is a comparison to be made with some of the dehumanising policies this government has made, he was not comparing the Tories and their policies to the Holocaust. 

[The Horse's Mouth]

1 minute ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

True. But the BBC has never really been impartial or free from government interference anyway. That's always been an illusion imo. Wherever human beings are involved there will always be bias. 

 

 

For sure, but I do think the BBCs impartiality has always been top notch imo. Probably as close as you can get without it being just robots, both sides think they’re right wing or left wing shills

[Long Eaton Fox]

Shame the whole MOTD has been cancelled as we could have sung Gary Lineker songs all match long and the BBC would have to have let us hear some of it.

[Otis]

15 minutes ago, FoxInTheBirstallBox said:

This is the whole issue though, BBC have stacks of controversial people on their payroll but it fits in line with how the government is ran.

 

Gary is challenging that same government and they are trying to silence him

 

It's fascism end of

Agree with this. 

 

I personally don't agree with many of his political opinions but I defend his right to state them.

[EastAnglianFox]

Another big headline story that will keep Brendan out of the spotlight after another 90 with 0 shots on target.

 

Fvck off Rodgers 

[TJQuik]

26 minutes ago, marcymarc666 said:

Spot on. A day at the Holocaust museum might educate the ignorant idiot.

Leicester legend, but a bit of a dick head.

Sorry Garry

 

Not only did he not compare it to the holocaust, we should do our best to be vigilant that these things aren't repeated rather than pretend they won't ever happen again.

 

[Saxondale]

Even Radio 5 shows are being canned! And WSL coverage tomorrow. This is brilliant!