cityfanlee23 Posted 7 April 2023 Posted 7 April 2023 3 minutes ago, Craig said: Rodgers has a 25% 'win rate' in the league this season with a supposedly far superior side to Leeds' last season. I don't want Marsch but let's not pretend he's lightyears behind where Rodgers has had us this season. We need someone who can come in and get us enough points to stay in the division. Marsch did that at Leeds last season and he did it well, most crucially in games vs sides around them. We are currently a club seemingly without any plan whatsoever. The reality is that we could, and probably will, end up with a lot worse than somebody who performed last season exactly how we need now. This is the part that has destroyed the club from top to bottom over the last 18 months. 2015/16 we were the poster club for world football on how to operate, buying cheap, selling high, shrewed signings, togetherness, owners who run the club like a well oiled machine and everyone rallying together. Now we are a mess absolutely everywhere. How Top has allowed this is beyond me. 4
Craig Posted 7 April 2023 Posted 7 April 2023 Just now, Craig said: And yes I would also take Ted Lasso at this stage (haven't seen the latest ep so don't ruin it). I would also take Nate. MON and Roy Kent let's go!
Popular Post Craig Posted 7 April 2023 Popular Post Posted 7 April 2023 1 minute ago, cityfanlee23 said: This is the part that has destroyed the club from top to bottom over the last 18 months. 2015/16 we were the poster club for world football on how to operate, buying cheap, selling high, shrewed signings, togetherness, owners who run the club like a well oiled machine and everyone rallying together. Now we are a mess absolutely everywhere. How Top has allowed this is beyond me. I don't blame Top as much as some. His world was turned upside down with the death of his Father, the family then having their wealth/assets split all over the shop, before the pandemic then hitting and through no fault of his own, their whole empire is losing absurd amounts of money. He has trusted people (who were in place during Vichai's reign and who he probably has an extremely sentimental bond with) to do their jobs properly and they haven't - we have numerous players out of contact, poor transfer business, and now we have no manager and no contingency plan... or at least not one that is effective. I would hope that he is as frustrated as we are, and he probably is. I just hope that at some point in the near future he is able and willing to reshape things at a senior level within the club. He doesn't deserve this. 6
Phenom Posted 7 April 2023 Posted 7 April 2023 26 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said: Fully agree that his style didn't really hit home this season, but also worth noting that throughout his career his style has always been the gegenpress as a base with tight compact passing in attack. It did not quite work at Leeds, but the players very rarely ever did it. There are multiple videos of him on the touchline screaming at players to push up, press as a team and making comments that the players are too scared to press. At the end of the day, the manager builds the tactics, if the players don't execute it the manager takes the flack. I think sometimes it's easy to blame the manager for players not implementing a style or a system. Jesse has done some work for "The Coaches Voice" on youtube, he's one of the most analytical managers I've ever seen. If he couldn’t get his young, unproven players to press you think he could get our overpaid, overconfident and soft players to do it?
cityfanlee23 Posted 7 April 2023 Posted 7 April 2023 9 minutes ago, Craig said: I don't blame Top as much as some. His world was turned upside down with the death of his Father, the family then having their wealth/assets split all over the shop, before the pandemic then hitting and through no fault of his own, their whole empire is losing absurd amounts of money. He has trusted people (who were in place during Vichai's reign and who he probably has an extremely sentimental bond with) to do their jobs properly and they haven't - we have numerous players out of contact, poor transfer business, and now we have no manager and no contingency plan... or at least not one that is effective. I would hope that he is as frustrated as we are, and he probably is. I just hope that at some point in the near future he is able and willing to reshape things at a senior level within the club. He doesn't deserve this. It's a difficult one for him as obviously, the buck stops with him but it's clear the entire board have been a shambles, I'd rather it be him than me having to deal with this mess, I think the frustrating part for me is the lack of communication, the club has been slowly burning and we are just passengers on this journey to relegation, screaming at the driver to stop but seemingly being ignored. He definitely has his role in this and needs to shoulder a lot of responsibility but completely agree with what you've said and the aggression and abuse he's been taking on here from some has been too far!
cityfanlee23 Posted 7 April 2023 Posted 7 April 2023 1 minute ago, Phenom said: If he couldn’t get his young, unproven players to press you think he could get our overpaid, overconfident and soft players to do it? Well you never know really, KDH and Ndidi would both press, I'd assume Faes would, Vardy would. But the rest would be a gamble. I'd prefer to get a firefighter in and take Jesse in summer, even then he's not my first choice but I would be happy to take him.
Deeg67 Posted 7 April 2023 Posted 7 April 2023 If we wanted to really be creative and bold (which is not what we do) Barak Bakhar would be a great choice, as I’ve mentioned before. It’s a big step up but he’s a young, tactically sharp manager with CL experience. And even if it’s a lesser league he’s still over performing what his club has historically done.
TeaMen Tom Posted 7 April 2023 Posted 7 April 2023 US supporter here - not much of a Marsch fan. The knock on him here among some pundits was that, as some felt about Brendan, if Plan A didn't work - there was no Plan B. But seriously, when things deteriorate to this extent, the problem is management - and not just Rodgers. It goes all the way back to Top and the Board. This club has been going down the toilet pretty much all season and it seems like no one was willing to admit that relegation was a possibility. You have to be realistic in assessing your own squad and it doesn't seem like anyone who's opinion matters was able to do that. The change should have been made back in early February. No manager is going to be able to come in off the street and stop this slide. At this point you basically have to trot Iheanacho out there every match and hope he gets hot. That's about the only way to save the squad from going down and a caretaker manager can certainly do that. 1
Deeg67 Posted 7 April 2023 Posted 7 April 2023 1 minute ago, TeaMen Tom said: US supporter here - not much of a Marsch fan. The knock on him here among some pundits was that, as some felt about Brendan, if Plan A didn't work - there was no Plan B. But seriously, when things deteriorate to this extent, the problem is management - and not just Rodgers. It goes all the way back to Top and the Board. This club has been going down the toilet pretty much all season and it seems like no one was willing to admit that relegation was a possibility. You have to be realistic in assessing your own squad and it doesn't seem like anyone who's opinion matters was able to do that. The change should have been made back in early February. No manager is going to be able to come in off the street and stop this slide. At this point you basically have to trot Iheanacho out there every match and hope he gets hot. That's about the only way to save the squad from going down and a caretaker manager can certainly do that. Leeds was if anything in even worse shape when Marsch took them over last season. Stability and pragmatic tactics can make the difference between staying up and being relegated. The difference is that he had a bit more time last season - 9 matches is nothing. It’s also worth noting that Jesse’s entire first campaign at Leeds was Plan B (and C) because his squad was in tatters and incapable of playing the way he would have preferred to set them up.
TeaMen Tom Posted 7 April 2023 Posted 7 April 2023 1 minute ago, Deeg67 said: Leeds was if anything in even worse shape when Marsch took them over last season. Stability and pragmatic tactics can make the difference between staying up and being relegated. The difference is that he had a bit more time last season - 9 matches is nothing. It’s also worth noting that Jesse’s entire first campaign at Leeds was Plan B (and C) because his squad was in tatters and incapable of playing the way he would have preferred to set them up. I'm not sure how pragmatic his tactics are. But totally agree that 9 games won't be enough to find out. To be fair he was kind of screwed this season because Bamford regressed and they sold Raphinha.
Smudge Posted 7 April 2023 Posted 7 April 2023 32 minutes ago, Craig said: I don't blame Top as much as some. His world was turned upside down with the death of his Father, the family then having their wealth/assets split all over the shop, before the pandemic then hitting and through no fault of his own, their whole empire is losing absurd amounts of money. He has trusted people (who were in place during Vichai's reign and who he probably has an extremely sentimental bond with) to do their jobs properly and they haven't - we have numerous players out of contact, poor transfer business, and now we have no manager and no contingency plan... or at least not one that is effective. I would hope that he is as frustrated as we are, and he probably is. I just hope that at some point in the near future he is able and willing to reshape things at a senior level within the club. He doesn't deserve this. A generous viewpoint, I'd like to agree with you but I fear he's not so innocent or naive. 1
Vindaloo FOX Posted 7 April 2023 Posted 7 April 2023 3 hours ago, Mendi said: Half of top family want o neil in. Jesse March now favourite because he spoken to club and top family are not sure on him. Top family want Martin return. The club are each other throat. It's been a shambles this season. Who are you Top's great uncle? Stop chatting shit !! You know nothing !! 1 3
Sly Posted 7 April 2023 Posted 7 April 2023 We’re struggling to find anyone. Sadler gets the points on Saturday and he’s in charge until the end of the season.
Guest Mee-9 Posted 7 April 2023 Posted 7 April 2023 Marsch now 2/1. Looks like someones ITK. Wouldn’t be a bad appointment for me.
Old Fox Posted 7 April 2023 Posted 7 April 2023 7 minutes ago, Mee-9 said: Marsch now 2/1. Looks like someones ITK. Wouldn’t be a bad appointment for me. Shocking and certain relegation if true - normally it’s someone we have not had a mention and I for one hope that is the case as he is a car crash!
ACF Posted 7 April 2023 Posted 7 April 2023 2019-20 Patson Daka 45 games, 27 goals Manager - Jesse Marsch 2020-21 Patson Daka 42 games, 34 goals Manager - Jesse Marsch 2
Chelmofox Posted 7 April 2023 Posted 7 April 2023 4 minutes ago, ACF said: 2019-20 Patson Daka 45 games, 27 goals Manager - Jesse Marsch 2020-21 Patson Daka 42 games, 34 goals Manager - Jesse Marsch Just remind everyone what league that was in. 1 1
ClaphamFox Posted 7 April 2023 Posted 7 April 2023 25 minutes ago, Mee-9 said: Marsch now 2/1. Looks like someones ITK. Wouldn’t be a bad appointment for me. He’s still 10/3 on betfair for the permanent gig, behind Potter and Benitez.
Vindaloo FOX Posted 7 April 2023 Posted 7 April 2023 I would take a wet sock on a stick, just get the American twat in and let's get this awful season over with. 1
Popular Post Ric Flair Posted 7 April 2023 Popular Post Posted 7 April 2023 Weirdly I quite like Jesse Marsch. I think there's a decent coach and man manager there. I suspect the reason we'd be interested is how he managed to halt Leeds slide last season (by the skin of their teeth). This appointment has to work for 8 games, we could well be navigating a very tumultuous time that see's us have several managers in a short space of time as we rebuild. 5
Nobbyburton Posted 7 April 2023 Posted 7 April 2023 7 minutes ago, Chelmofox said: Just remind everyone what league that was in. Fair point, but when you’re deep in a relegation fight, if you can somehow get your main striker firing you stand a chance. I wouldn’t be against Marsch as a caretaker for this reason alone…but permanent I’m not sure.
weller54 Posted 7 April 2023 Posted 7 April 2023 6 hours ago, Craig said: MON and Roy Kent let's go! Rather his brother Clark.
JimmyC74 Posted 7 April 2023 Posted 7 April 2023 5 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: Weirdly I quite like Jesse Marsch. I think there's a decent coach and man manager there. I suspect the reason we'd be interested is how he managed to halt Leeds slide last season (by the skin of their teeth). This appointment has to work for 8 games, we could well be navigating a very tumultuous time that see's us have several managers in a short space of time as we rebuild. Seems our strategic approach is cross our fingers.
sacreblueits442 Posted 7 April 2023 Posted 7 April 2023 5 hours ago, cityfanlee23 said: Well you never know really, KDH and Ndidi would both press, I'd assume Faes would, Vardy would. But the rest would be a gamble. I'd prefer to get a firefighter in and take Jesse in summer, even then he's not my first choice but I would be happy to take him. ...why would Ndidi be pressing, he should be nowhere near the opponents box!!! If we play an uptempo game it is natural to press, win the ball higher up the pitch and attack with support. Like Rodgers you seem to be making the sane mistake of involving Wilf in the attacking phase, it leaves the backline exposed and he is then caught out of position and scrambling to get back. It is noticeably when he is running towards his own goal he is not effective, so long as the game is infront of him, he can mop up all night. Another mistake that we are making is picking Nacho to lead the line. His best asset is in a 4-3-3 with Barnes and Tete or Praet alongside. We keep putting up team sheets with him leading line, as if we have never seen him play before.
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