Leicester City £100m action plan revealed in worst-case scenario

[Tuna]

Bleed em dry

[hackneyfox]

Can't believe the number of our fan who are just happy to blame the club itself for relegation and not take on board the fact that if Everton hadn't cheated we would have stayed up no matter how poorly the club, Rudkin or Rodgers acted last season. We chose to not break FFP and didn't the extra players thet were clearly needed, Everton chose to break FFP and stayed up at our expense.

Sue them for all we can and perhaps those blaming our club should get over last season and stop being so bitter.

[SouthStandUpperTier]

1 minute ago, hackneyfox said:

Can't believe the number of our fan who are just happy to blame the club itself for relegation and not take on board the fact that if Everton hadn't cheated we would have stayed up no matter how poorly the club, Rudkin or Rodgers acted last season. We chose to not break FFP and didn't the extra players thet were clearly needed, Everton chose to break FFP and stayed up at our expense.

Sue them for all we can and perhaps those blaming our club should get over last season and stop being so bitter.

It's not a FFP issue. It's the Premier League's own PSR (Profit and Sustainability Rules) that Everton are in breach of. And they probably aren't the only club in breach when you look at the losses sustained by other clubs including ourselves.

[cityfanlee23]

11 minutes ago, hackneyfox said:

Can't believe the number of our fan who are just happy to blame the club itself for relegation and not take on board the fact that if Everton hadn't cheated we would have stayed up no matter how poorly the club, Rudkin or Rodgers acted last season. We chose to not break FFP and didn't the extra players thet were clearly needed, Everton chose to break FFP and stayed up at our expense.

Sue them for all we can and perhaps those blaming our club should get over last season and stop being so bitter.

It’s not really evidence that we would have stayed up though. How do we know that their spending didn’t negatively affect their end position in the table? 
you could easily argue that if they had not scattergunned so much money they may have had a more cohesive team. 
Or for example you could ask whether people think that last seasons LCFC team would have gone down under a different manager? If we had appointed Smith earlier we would have stayed up based on Points per game. Plenty of other managers could have kept us up.  

Edited 17 November 2023 by cityfanlee23

[Ric Flair]

What are Leeds up to, they finished below us. Everton's cheating didn't make us better than them as well 😂😂😂

[hackneyfox]

7 minutes ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

It's not a FFP issue. It's the Premier League's own PSR (Profit and Sustainability Rules) that Everton are in breach of. And they probably aren't the only club in breach when you look at the losses sustained by other clubs including ourselves.

Whether it's FFP or PSR makes no difference to the fact that we tried not to break it and Everton didn't give a flying ****.

[Spudulike]

Surely if EFC have to pay £300m compensation they will go into administration. Then if bankruptcy follows the creditors (including LCFC, possibly) will then own part of their assets including their new stadium. 

[hackneyfox]

13 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said:

It’s not really evidence that we would have stayed up though. How do we know that their spending didn’t negatively affect their end position in the table? 
you could easily argue that if they had not scattergunned so much money they may have had a more cohesive team. 

Are you on the defence team for Everton?

Pretty daft response/defence to try and claim that Everton may have been better off had they not spent so much money.

Edited 17 November 2023 by hackneyfox

[urban.spaceman]

59 minutes ago, Pita said:

Sell there new ground

To us.

 

For a tenner.

[cityfanlee23]

5 minutes ago, hackneyfox said:

Are you on the defence team for Everton?

Pretty daft response/defence to try and claim that Everyonmay have been better of if they hadn't spent so much money.

It’s just logical. Respect your posts and I do completely understand your point and there are some aspects in which I agree, but this is just an argument form emotion. There’s nothing tangible to prove it.

[cityfanlee23]

10 minutes ago, hackneyfox said:

Are you on the defence team for Everton?

Pretty daft response/defence to try and claim that Everton may have been better off had they not spent so much money.

Also just to clarify, it’s not a “defence” to say that Everton could have been in a worse state as a result of the amount of money they spent, the league table proves they declined. But thats not proof in itself. 
 

The positive claim is being made by people who say we went down because they cheated, the burden of proof is on you to prove that, which is not really possible. 

[Dahnsouff]

19 minutes ago, hackneyfox said:

Are you on the defence team for Everton?

Pretty daft response/defence to try and claim that Everton may have been better off had they not spent so much money.

Unsubstantiated inference and opinion will not find Everton guilty unfortunately, although their perpetual mismanagement should send them down in poverty, it won’t.

Do see not a way that we can blame them with certainty, so it will not be entertained by the EPL is my assumption.

[Ashley]

1 hour ago, StriderHiryu said:

In West Ham's case they paid some upfront and some as a % every year. The % means you can amortize it over a longer period. E.g. agree to pay 50M over 10 years.

 

 

So we would get another bank loan then.

 

We went down due to bad decisions not because of Everton. Don't do it Leicester.

 

[Spudulike]

1 minute ago, Dahnsouff said:

Unsubstantiated inference and opinion will not find Everton guilty unfortunately, although their perpetual mismanagement should send them down in poverty, it won’t.

Do see not a way that we can blame them with certainty, so it will not be entertained by the EPL is my assumption.

I think it's the timing of the 10 point deduction that will be crucial. Had it happened last season then both clubs would be in different leagues now. That is factual. 

[Oasisedup]

4 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Unsubstantiated inference and opinion will not find Everton guilty unfortunately, although their perpetual mismanagement should send them down in poverty, it won’t.

Do see not a way that we can blame them with certainty, so it will not be entertained by the EPL is my assumption.

The independent panel chair has already found that we (along with a host of other clubs) may have a claim against Everton, so it is quite clearly being "entertained" by them.

 

And "certainty" is not the required legal standard.

Edited 17 November 2023 by Oasisedup

[hackneyfox]

15 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said:

Also just to clarify, it’s not a “defence” to say that Everton could have been in a worse state as a result of the amount of money they spent, the league table proves they declined. But thats not proof in itself. 
 

The positive claim is being made by people who say we went down because they cheated, the burden of proof is on you to prove that, which is not really possible. 

Sheff vs West Ham over Tevez?

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, Oasisedup said:

The independent panel chair has already found that we (along with a host of other clubs) may have a claim against Everton, so it is quite clearly being "entertained" by them.

 

And "certainty" is not the required legal standard.

But this is may in the eyes of the independent chair which would then leave the EPL to refute, it’s a long road from there

[Dahnsouff]

2 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

I think it's the timing of the 10 point deduction that will be crucial. Had it happened last season then both clubs would be in different leagues now. That is factual. 

Totally agree, but I am sure the EPL could sell the delay unfortunately.

[Oasisedup]

2 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

But this is may in the eyes of the independent chair which would then leave the EPL to refute, it’s a long road from there

Why would the Premier League need to refute our claim? It's for Everton to defend and it will be heard by an independent panel.

 

The point is the claim will be heard / entertained. The grounds for a potential claim are plain to see.

 

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, Oasisedup said:

Why would the Premier League need to refute our claim? It's for Everton to defend and it will be heard by an independent panel.

 

The point is the claim will be heard / entertained. The grounds for a potential claim are plain to see.

 

Wouldn’t Everton just blame the EPL for not policing the clubs within its competition? Hope you are right, but do not know what it achieves if you are tbh.

Also not sure how overspending proves Everton stay up either, or alternatively underspending would see them relegated. I realise the overspending against FFP should be the crux, but it’s hard sell against their peers in the league I imagine.

 

However, it would be a very interesting test case!

[cityfanlee23]

7 minutes ago, hackneyfox said:

Sheff vs West Ham over Tevez?

Good point but from my admittedly lacking understanding of the legal system, the Tevez goal is an example of direct evidence, where a player shouldn’t have been on the pitch and scored a goal to send Sheffield United down. 
 

Whereas for us it’s circumstantial evidence because there is no challenge over the legality of the players but only the funding used to sign them. So it’s not direct evidence which is why the burden of proof to prove those players kept them up is a grey area. 
 

To be honest I think we will end up with some compensation because it’s probably cheaper in the long term to settle something. 

[Oasisedup]

2 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Wouldn’t Everton just blame the EPL for not policing the clubs within its competition? Hope you are right, but do not know what it achieves if you are tbh.

Also not sure how overspending proves Everton stay up either, or alternatively underspending would see them relegated. I realise the overspending against FFP should be the crux, but it’s hard sell against their peers in the league I imagine.

 

However, it would be a very interesting test case!

I agree it will be interesting to see how it all plays out and causation is not as clear cut as in the West Ham case.

 

The PL will presumably say they have enforced the rules and found EFC guilty of breaching them.

[The Doctor]

45 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

What are Leeds up to, they finished below us. Everton's cheating didn't make us better than them as well 😂😂😂

prize money for finishing 18th rather than 19th presumably?

[Bazly]

The FFP rules were designed to maintain the status quo where rich clubs could never be financially challenged in 10 years, 50 years or 100 years. Under FFP the top teams today will be the top teams forever. Everton cheating by being the 12th largest positive net spending club on transfers in the EPL over the last 5 years (1/3rd of Manures net spend) is just a case of they aren't meant to invest in their playing staff. They aren't meant to have any chance of challenging the status quo. 

We shouldn't be looking at financial compensation. Our downfall last season was playing the worst goalkeeper in the league for most of the season that cost at least shots on target flying past the keeper 6 goals than if we had a good keeper in place. Its Maddison looking terrified taking that penalty kick against Everton that he fluffed. It was having a disinterested manager who alienated lots of the players in place for months too long. It was nothing to do with Everton spending the amount they did on players which was less than Wolves spent over a 5 year period. Our demise was entirely self inflicted and we need to suck it up.

Edited 17 November 2023 by Bazly

[hackneyfox]

5 minutes ago, Bazly said:

The FFP rules were designed to maintain the status quo where rich clubs could never be financially challenged in 10 years, 50 years or 100 years. Under FFP the top teams today will be the top teams forever. Everton cheating by being the 12th largest positive net spending club on transfers in the EPL over the last 5 years (1/3rd of Manures net spend) is just a case of they aren't meant to invest in their playing staff. They aren't meant to have any chance of challenging the status quo. 

We shouldn't be looking at financial compensation. Our downfall last season was playing the worst goalkeeper in the league for most of the season that cost at least shots on target flying past the keeper 6 goals than if we had a good keeper in place. Its Maddison looking terrified taking that penalty kick against Everton that he fluffed. It was having a disinterested manager who alienated lots of the players in place for months too long. It was nothing to do with Everton spending the amount they did on players which was less than Wolves spent over a 5 year period. Our demise was entirely self inflicted and we need to suck it up.

Stop wallowing in self pity and get angry with Everton, it's more fun and healthier.