1 year Loan moves out for some?

[Vestan Pance]

3 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

Whilst I agree with the general sentiment, there's also some book balancing involved isn't there. Some players wages might just be too high for us to keep whilst we're down. 

 

I dont think we have many on long enough term contracts for it if I'm honest. Ricardo is the only one that springs to mind, we pay him 80 odd thousand don't we so it wouldn't hurt to get that off the wage bill this year and if he's fit he's clearly good enough to be playing top flight football for someone. 

 

Others still with a fair few years left going to be Daka (75k), Soumare (80k), Faes (50k). Despite many foxestalkers probably keen to write all three of those off permanently, I'm actually happy to see whether Enzo can get a tune out of them but that's a lot of money between the three for a Championship wage bill and it might help the club to loan them out for a year and recoup some of that. 

Far too sensible😂

[Chico1958]

Nah, if they don't want to get us out of the mess they contributed too let them go

 

Let Glover do his job and Enzo do his magic with what we get in.

 

 

[st albans fox]

3 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

Whilst I agree with the general sentiment, there's also some book balancing involved isn't there. Some players wages might just be too high for us to keep whilst we're down. 

 

I dont think we have many on long enough term contracts for it if I'm honest. Ricardo is the only one that springs to mind, we pay him 80 odd thousand don't we so it wouldn't hurt to get that off the wage bill this year and if he's fit he's clearly good enough to be playing top flight football for someone. 

 

Others still with a fair few years left going to be Daka (75k), Soumare (80k), Faes (50k). Despite many foxestalkers probably keen to write all three of those off permanently, I'm actually happy to see whether Enzo can get a tune out of them but that's a lot of money between the three for a Championship wage bill and it might help the club to loan them out for a year and recoup some of that. 

We’ve been told several times that players salaries will be cut between 30% and 50% (you’d think the lower earners will be 30% and the higher ones towards 50%) 

 

whether that’s true will be judged by our desperation in the market over the next few months. But if you think about it - a player on 80k with three years left is entitled to £12m from us. If someone wants to buy them and offers them 60k/week then we would usually have to cover the £3m shortfall in some way. That’s not possible if you’re in the championship, even with the parachute payments. So I do believe that these relegation clauses exist. 

[Finnegan]

7 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

We’ve been told several times that players salaries will be cut between 30% and 50% (you’d think the lower earners will be 30% and the higher ones towards 50%) 

 

whether that’s true will be judged by our desperation in the market over the next few months. But if you think about it - a player on 80k with three years left is entitled to £12m from us. If someone wants to buy them and offers them 60k/week then we would usually have to cover the £3m shortfall in some way. That’s not possible if you’re in the championship, even with the parachute payments. So I do believe that these relegation clauses exist. 

 

Sure but that still means we're probably paying Daka, Ricardo, Vestergaard and Soumare over 50k, Vards probably still over 100, Faes maybe 30 odd thousand? 

 

These are still significant salaries for a Championship club, even one at the top end pushing for promotion. It's still very possible that some of these may need to spend a season getting their wages paid by someone else, especially if we think a 20 year old on loan costing us a relative pittance might do a good enough job at this level. 

 

It's all speculation isn't it we don't really know. I'm just saying it wouldn't surprise me if we loan people out and it definitely wouldn't offend me. 

[FoxInTheBirstallBox]

The only one I'd imagine would be James Justin, loan him to Luton, would suit the Luton fans and club I'd imagine because of the sentiment.

 

It's hardly his fault we are in this mess when he's missed most of the season.

 

Pretty much everyone else can stay to sort it out or f off for good 

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, FoxInTheBirstallBox said:

The only one I'd imagine would be James Justin, loan him to Luton, would suit the Luton fans and club I'd imagine because of the sentiment.

 

It's hardly his fault we are in this mess when he's missed most of the season.

 

Pretty much everyone else can stay to sort it out or f off for good 

Luton can’t afford to pay enough of his wages to make it worth our while 

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, Finnegan said:

 

Sure but that still means we're probably paying Daka, Ricardo, Vestergaard and Soumare over 50k, Vards probably still over 100, Faes maybe 30 odd thousand? 

 

These are still significant salaries for a Championship club, even one at the top end pushing for promotion. It's still very possible that some of these may need to spend a season getting their wages paid by someone else, especially if we think a 20 year old on loan costing us a relative pittance might do a good enough job at this level. 

 

It's all speculation isn't it we don't really know. I'm just saying it wouldn't surprise me if we loan people out and it definitely wouldn't offend me. 

I would think vards would be the 50% which means around 70k. Still crazy for the championship. You’d think that his wage will be the largest ever paid in the championship.  I see your point re loaning out daka or Bouba to a PL club and having them pay all their wages 

 

vestergaard- we are releasing end next season so wouldn’t usually loan out a final year player but in his case it could happen if someone pays his 50k/week

 

 

[Ric Flair]

17 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

Sure but that still means we're probably paying Daka, Ricardo, Vestergaard and Soumare over 50k, Vards probably still over 100, Faes maybe 30 odd thousand? 

 

These are still significant salaries for a Championship club, even one at the top end pushing for promotion. It's still very possible that some of these may need to spend a season getting their wages paid by someone else, especially if we think a 20 year old on loan costing us a relative pittance might do a good enough job at this level. 

 

It's all speculation isn't it we don't really know. I'm just saying it wouldn't surprise me if we loan people out and it definitely wouldn't offend me. 

It's definitely a possibility, or loans with a large fee deducted off the permanent transfer fee a year later.

 

A good chunk of our players have 2 years or less left on their deals though so loan deals aren't in anyway advantageous for us unless completely desperate. 

 

Soumare we'd hope will get another interested party for £10m or so at the very worst and his wage cut is probably to something similar to what the likes of Monaco, Nice, Lyon etc would be able to pay.

 

Daka is a curious one, is there enough good will in the bank from the hype he arrived here with. I hope so, he was a scouters dream.

[Leicesterpool]

Nacho to a premier league club would be risky as he may want to see there beyond end of his loan, I can see him being linked with Burnley with Kompany manager a bit of connection of his Man City days. 

[Finnegan]

Nacho is in the last year of his contract. There's only three reasons we'd loan him out. 

 

1. He's downed tools and literally nobody wants to pay money to buy him. 

 

2. We don't want him (either we can't afford him or Enzo isn't a fan) and literally nobody wands to pay money to buy him. 

 

3. It's got a mandatory future fee attached and isn't really a loan, it's just "buy now, pay later."

 

Given I can't really see any of these being the case I don't see why we'd loan him anywhere?

[CosbehFox]

24 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

Nacho is in the last year of his contract. There's only three reasons we'd loan him out. 

 

1. He's downed tools and literally nobody wants to pay money to buy him. 

 

2. We don't want him (either we can't afford him or Enzo isn't a fan) and literally nobody wands to pay money to buy him. 

 

3. It's got a mandatory future fee attached and isn't really a loan, it's just "buy now, pay later."

 

Given I can't really see any of these being the case I don't see why we'd loan him anywhere?

Which is a big point really for these sort of loan deals to work, you effectively need three years on a players contract. You don't want to be left with a player who has a year to run on his contract decreasing his value post loan move. Unless some club is idiotic enough as you say to do a mandatory fee. 

[Finnegan]

Just now, CosbehFox said:

Which is a big point really for these sort of loan deals to work, you effectively need three years on a players contract. You don't want to be left with a player who has a year to run on his contract decreasing his value post loan move. Unless some club is idiotic enough as you say to do a mandatory fee. 

 

Not sure I'd agree they need three years necessarily. It depends how highly you value the asset and what your long term plans are for them I suppose. 

 

Obviously loaning them out usually falls in to one of two categories, either it's for their development in which case, yes, you'd hope to have them on a long term contract or they're surplus to requirements but you can't shift them. 

 

This third type of loan "we've been relegated so we want rid for a year" is a bit of an oddity. It's not exactly something you factor in to your long term planning when you last renewed someone's contract is it? So who knows? 

 

I personally doubt we do it with anyone. I think the players most likely to be loaned are players we want to sell but just can't for whatever reason. Your Vestergaards, Praets, etc. 

 

Only players I could see us maybe loaning out just to see are Soumare, Daka and - at an absolute push - Barnes if Enzo thinks they are good players but the accounts say we can't afford to pay their wages in the Championship and nobody offers us what we think their actual value is right now. All of which seems a stretch imo. 

 

[The Horse's Mouth]

I echo a lot of the sentiments already expressed, leeds doing this makes sense they never really kicked up a gear they just got a steady run where they were always in a relegation battle. To have such a steep decline as we’ve had, it’s really time to drain the swamp in general and it these players aren’t willing to fight the fight to get us back where we belong then the only justification for a loan move in my eyes is if it’s one of those dodgy mandatory fees on the end of it. The only one I genuinely think, could be worth it is Daka because I think he needed it in general anyway. But it’s like the key players like Maddison, Tielemans are already off anyway it doesn’t serve a purpose to keep many behind there and has been said a lot of these contracts haven’t got long either 

[jerry]

On 26/06/2023 at 08:59, AKCJ said:

Personally I don't have any time for a player that doesn't want to help us get out of the Championship.

 

Anyone thinking they're above playing for us in this league can absolutely **** off.

Understand the sentiment but would be naive to think any players have any loyalty to anything other than their pay packets and careers. Money truly has ruined or at least besmirched the beautiful game.

[Chrysalis]

Nacho is the sort of player to keep, he is one of the very few who actually gave a ****.