Tactics Under Maresca

[Beachyboy]

So I was thinking of the 11 today how many actually started against West ham less than 3 months ago, I guessed 3 and was right Faes, KDH and Nacho. So in 2 months we have not only had a new manager but 8 players introduced the starting 11. I know players like Vestegaard, Ricardo and Ndidi were at the club but they weren't in the team at the end of last season for different reasons. So all in all to win our first 4 games for the first time in the clubs history, is surely better than even the biggest optimist could of hoped for? An yet still there is pessimism around.

[Sparrowhawk]

38 minutes ago, Hamilton Fox said:

You can’t change formation and bring 2 gks on if you’re 2-0 down (well I suppose you can but pointless ) 

I give up.

Which part of 'you can easily have two keepers and two (or three if you want) strikers on the bench' is so hard for people to understand?

[Dames]

11 minutes ago, Sparrowhawk said:

I give up.

Which part of 'you can easily have two keepers and two (or three if you want) strikers on the bench' is so hard for people to understand?

You can easily do it but what other manager actually willingly does it? None of the top ones thats for sure.

[Daggers]

Some of you are really behind the times with your understanding of tactics. 
 

One day all teams will be playing with three keepers - we are so ahead of the curve it’s stupid. 

[Hamilton Fox]

11 minutes ago, Sparrowhawk said:

I give up.

Which part of 'you can easily have two keepers and two (or three if you want) strikers on the bench' is so hard for people to understand?

What part of you don’t need two goalkeepers on the bench do you not understand? (Im not going though the history of the thread 😂)It can be any other area of the pitch to replace as there’s other areas better to fill as well) you don’t need two gks on the bench which is why no one does it unless they are trying to make this point. 

[Max Power]

I wonder if he needs to occasionally within games revert to a usual back four. I felt there were times today when we were crying out for Ricardo to overlap Wanya. 

[norwichfox]

1 hour ago, MPH said:

 

think he wants to keep one of them but doesn’t want the one to stay to think he was 3rd choice…

Logical...

[STUHILL]

2 hours ago, Headcase said:

What handful of players? Curious 

Depends on whether we do move players like Soumare, Praet, Daka, Castagne, Souttar etc etc

But I expect we will bring in a RW, a different type of striker to Nacho and Vardy (I'd like an Ulloa type) and possibly another winger/midfielder or CB on loan if Vesty goes too. 

[Lillehamring]

2 hours ago, Beachyboy said:

I think he thought like I thought before the game, Cardiff almost beat Leeds, this game will be tight, I don't see us getting a strong lead to introduce a youngster. I'd be looking at a Rotherham game where they are 3rd bottom, apparently the worst atmosphere in the championship, likely to struggle as a good chance to bring in a younger player to the squad, as there is more chance the game will present an opportunity to actually bring that player on.

I'm not sure why there is any need to 'bring in young players' when we're already having to rely on more than we'd probably like to.  Besides all the games so far have needed late goals, so he's been able to bring on vardy and albrighton and praet and it's made a difference each time, players that he knows can come in and make a difference.  Anyway, our youth team is piss light at the moment, there's really no likely candidates.  I think Maresca has enough to think about without worrying about who his unused subs are going to be.

[Lillehamring]

2 hours ago, kyleolly said:

It didn’t bait the Cardiff players to come out of position though did it they just sat in

Which is why we started moving it out wide and started playing more (albeit, today, substandard) diagonal balls.  Remember what Maresca said about football being like chess - you move your pieces slowly and wait for your opponent to make their move, then you chose the best counter move to take advantage. Chess, if you don't know what's happening, is also a slow boring game, until it isn't!

[Lillehamring]

2 hours ago, Beachyboy said:

Most of the negativity is from people that are just stuck in 2021, football like life moves on. I like his attitude what he's trying to do, it will take time to implement, and like others have said he doesn't have all the tools to do the job fully, but if we can just keep picking up wins, when the window closes it focuses minds. If Daka and Castagne are not in the squad in September if we don't sell them, that for me is cutting off your nose to spite your face. He's used Praet a bit, I don't think he will be using Thomas or Kristiansen at all, I do think Souttar could offer something especially with Coady now injured, but time will tell what the remaining days of August brings in the way of transfers in/out.

Possibly, but that would depend on their attitude and how they respond to their inevitable disappointment - no point using them if they aren't interested or giving 100%.

[kyleolly]

2 minutes ago, Lillehamring said:

Which is why we started moving it out wide and started playing more (albeit, today, substandard) diagonal balls.  Remember what Maresca said about football being like chess - you move your pieces slowly and wait for your opponent to make their move, then you chose the best counter move to take advantage. Chess, if you don't know what's happening, is also a slow boring game, until it isn't!

Yeah I get it but at times it just looks like a lack of urgency 

[kyleolly]

I suppose I’m looking for a plan b and that seems to be different personnel rather than changing his tactics 

[Beachyboy]

7 minutes ago, Lillehamring said:

Possibly, but that would depend on their attitude and how they respond to their inevitable disappointment - no point using them if they aren't interested or giving 100%.

After the window closes you sit them down (if they don't go) and say are we going  to get you playing for the first team? If there's no positive response to that, I'd say or shall we get you training with the youth team?

[Lillehamring]

2 hours ago, Dames said:

I do see your point but with how unbalanced the squad currently is and statistically speaking attacking subs change games more often than defensive ones and even more so than goalkeeping ones why would you leave yourself short in the more likely scenario of needing to chase the game? 
 

He’s clearly a very clever bloke but no other manager willingly sticks 2 keepers on the bench not even Pep. 

But he can only bring on so many attacking players and if you look closely, he's very particular about the type of subs he does use  - trying to keep the conversation away from conspiracy theories and focussed on tactics - so far maresca's use of substitutes has been masterful:

 

v Coventry - 1-0 down, brings on vardy on 75, KDH scores 2 minutes later, we go on to win the game also partly because he swaps mcateer for hamza to help survive 9 minutes of added time.

v Huddersfield - 0-0 after 55 minutes, swaps marcal and nacho for vardy and ndidi, 5 minutes after vardy comes on we score.

v Cardiff - vardy and casadei come on and get the assist and the winning goal.

 

None of these games were adversely effected by a lack of options off the bench.  Maresca has a clear plan 'A' each game, and can see what needs to be done to change games if it isn't working or if he sees a weakness in the oppositions game; and if you look at the subs he's used ( vardy x 2, hamza x 2, albrighton x 2, Nacho, Praet & casadei) apart from casadei he's only using the most experienced players he has, so there's no issue, he doesn't need to have 8 outfield players available.

[kyleolly]

2 minutes ago, Lillehamring said:

But he can only bring on so many attacking players and if you look closely, he's very particular about the type of subs he does use  - trying to keep the conversation away from conspiracy theories and focussed on tactics - so far maresca's use of substitutes has been masterful:

 

v Coventry - 1-0 down, brings on vardy on 75, KDH scores 2 minutes later, we go on to win the game also partly because he swaps mcateer for hamza to help survive 9 minutes of added time.

v Huddersfield - 0-0 after 55 minutes, swaps marcal and nacho for vardy and ndidi, 5 minutes after vardy comes on we score.

v Cardiff - vardy and casadei come on and get the assist and the winning goal.

 

None of these games were adversely effected by a lack of options off the bench.  Maresca has a clear plan 'A' each game, and can see what needs to be done to change games if it isn't working or if he sees a weakness in the oppositions game; and if you look at the subs he's used ( vardy x 2, hamza x 2, albrighton x 2, Nacho, Praet & casadei) apart from casadei he's only using the most experienced players he has, so there's no issue, he doesn't need to have 8 outfield players available.

Vardy came off vs cov 

[Lillehamring]

2 hours ago, Blueman1967 said:

l know this has been posted lots of times, you don't need two keepers on the bench

You don't need to, but when you have 9 spots it doesn't hurt, especially if many of your other options are not likely to get a game or are distracted by transfer talk.

[Lillehamring]

2 hours ago, LVFox said:

I think Enzo knows he doesn't need two sub keepers guys. He's 100% proving a point

That even with two goalies on the bench he has won 4 games out of 4?  That's a fair point. 100%

[AjcW]

12 minutes ago, kyleolly said:

I suppose I’m looking for a plan b and that seems to be different personnel rather than changing his tactics 

Might just be me seeing things. But when Vardy came on, Ricardo was told to stay as a right back predominantly as Cardiff were in the ascendency. 
 

It’s subtle but to me that at least looked like awareness of Faes being total shit and needing support. 

[RowlattsFox]

I already feel like there are vultures just waiting for a defeat to stick the boot in. 

 

 

[Lillehamring]

2 hours ago, smudger63 said:

I thought Ndidi played well too, and definitely helped win the ball back. He was unlucky to be dragged off, but was always going to be, to give Casadei 30 minutes. Personally i would probably have took KDH off, who didn't have one of his better games, but I suppose you then lose the energy he gives.

 

And the ball into the box that caught the defence flat footed.

[coolhandfox]

1 hour ago, Dames said:

You can easily do it but what other manager actually willingly does it? None of the top ones thats for sure.

Off the top of my head.

 

Carlo Ancelotti has done, one of the most successful manager in the game.

 

So has Unai Emery another who I'd class as a top manager 

[CosbehFox]

I’d love to know if the pace of it is a purpose move to control the game or whether it’s thwt the players aren’t capable of moving the ball that quick. 
 

Would like to see ‘Enzoball’ with some more additions. Fear if Winks gets injury, we have a problem 

[Lillehamring]

1 hour ago, Beachyboy said:

So I was thinking of the 11 today how many actually started against West ham less than 3 months ago, I guessed 3 and was right Faes, KDH and Nacho. So in 2 months we have not only had a new manager but 8 players introduced the starting 11. I know players like Vestegaard, Ricardo and Ndidi were at the club but they weren't in the team at the end of last season for different reasons. So all in all to win our first 4 games for the first time in the clubs history, is surely better than even the biggest optimist could of hoped for? An yet still there is pessimism around.

People don't like to be proven wrong: whether it's the 'we should have gone for a manager with experience of getting teams promoted' whiners, or the 'the club is in freefall - double relegation is inevitable' madness, or the 'we have zero creativity' brigade - too many fans seem to want us to fail just to prove their own beliefs and fire their self-perpetuating misery.  Add to that the general misery of leicester fans that are simply never happy and constantly wallow in a self-satisfying pessimistic gloom.

[kyleolly]

1 minute ago, AjcW said:

Might just be me seeing things. But when Vardy came on, Ricardo was told to stay as a right back predominantly as Cardiff were in the ascendency. 
 

It’s subtle but to me that at least looked like awareness of Faes being total shit and needing support. 

Yeah and Ricardo started at Rb and should stay there and not go into centre mid that was my original point do we need 3 centre backs I’d rather play a back four with the full backs bombing on and the wingers coming inside abit more to fill the void left in the middle of the attacking 3rd but hopefully Casadei will do that in time I suppose it’s nice that we can have these type of tactical discussions