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10 hours ago, BillyFOX12 said:

Why not get Kasper back for a season?

Cos he's a spent force.

Celtic fans are pretty unanimous that he should have gone last season and he's done at the level.

 

And that level is the fxxking SPL!

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Posted
18 minutes ago, TheFiveTime said:

anyone blaming jakub for our predicament needs a long hard look at themselves. he is a perfectly competent championship keeper. Sure he makes mistakes but we are in the championship - this is how they perform

I like him, and think he can be a top keeper, however not every keeper in this league has made as many direct mistakes for goals as he has so let’s not try to claim this is what they do at this level.

 

I can’t remember seeing an opposition keeper  pass it to their striker 6 yards out, concede the sort of goal we did 4th yesterday, concede the goal we did away to Preston etc.

 

I said at the time, Begovic should have stayed in for another few games to show Jakub he has to play at a top level or not at all. 

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29 minutes ago, VLC86 said:

I like him, and think he can be a top keeper, however not every keeper in this league has made as many direct mistakes for goals as he has so let’s not try to claim this is what they do at this level.

 

I can’t remember seeing an opposition keeper  pass it to their striker 6 yards out, concede the sort of goal we did 4th yesterday, concede the goal we did away to Preston etc.

 

I said at the time, Begovic should have stayed in for another few games to show Jakub he has to play at a top level or not at all. 

hermansen at blackburn two years ago passed it straight to smozdics to score - excatly the same scenario. hermansen at leeds two years ago fumbled it into his own net - simialr to preston. Can't think a goal like the forth off the top of my head but I am sure it happens. Everyone thought Hermansen was great (which he was)

 

 

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He's an ok keeper and Begovic is a satisfactory back up.

 

Neither are of the quality of the best in the Champs. A Johannson, Cooper, Rushworth, Iverson, Vitek or Vig, but certainly not the worst.

 

I'd suggest we probably have a lot bigger problem positions than this one.

 

 

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1 hour ago, TheFiveTime said:

hermansen at blackburn two years ago passed it straight to smozdics to score - excatly the same scenario. hermansen at leeds two years ago fumbled it into his own net - simialr to preston. Can't think a goal like the forth off the top of my head but I am sure it happens. Everyone thought Hermansen was great (which he was)

 

 

100% Mads did both of them things and I remember it very well, he also had another where he booted the ball against a player 6 yards out, but Jakub has already made more mistakes than he did go cost us goals IMO, in significantly less matches.

 

He’s got potential which could be ruined here if he’s not taken out of the firing line.

 

Edit- just on the Mads comparison as well, all of his mistakes were the same. The worry for me is that we are seeing Jakub do that, palm the ball into dangerous areas, mis judge when to sweep and now appearing to completely lose focus and be deceived at his near post.

 

As I’ve said before, I’m not all out bashing him and think he will be a good keeper, but he needs taking out for his own sake.

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Posted
19 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

I don’t believe all of those are better keepers than Stolarcryk.

 

Jakub has a few things going against him;

- Playing behind one of the worst defences in this league, particularly for mistakes and exposing the keeper. He gets no protection.

- No quality coaching.

- Toxic club atmosphere.

- Not being Hermansen in the eyes of many fans.

 

If one of those you had listed was playing for us and Stolarcryk was at a Preston or Coventry, it’d be roles reversed. Iverson would be getting pellets (as he did when he was here) and the same with the likes of Rushworth. And we’d have people saying how much better that Stolarcryk is than our keeper. 
 

I don’t know if this forum is worse for it or not than others, but there’s a real issue with differentiating between bad players and where bad form and mistakes are as a result of the major issues within this club. It also depends much on whether a player has been accepted by the fan base. Hence how Hermansen got defended constantly for the same mistakes Stolarcryk gets slaughtered for.

 

Do we not wonder why players like Iverson and Johansson do well once they have left us?

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 excellent post 

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Posted
26 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

I don’t believe all of those are better keepers than Stolarcryk.

 

Jakub has a few things going against him;

- Playing behind one of the worst defences in this league, particularly for mistakes and exposing the keeper. He gets no protection.

- No quality coaching.

- Toxic club atmosphere.

- Not being Hermansen in the eyes of many fans.

 

If one of those you had listed was playing for us and Stolarcryk was at a Preston or Coventry, it’d be roles reversed. Iverson would be getting pellets (as he did when he was here) and the same with the likes of Rushworth. And we’d have people saying how much better that Stolarcryk is than our keeper. 
 

I don’t know if this forum is worse for it or not than others, but there’s a real issue with differentiating between bad players and where bad form and mistakes are as a result of the major issues within this club. It also depends much on whether a player has been accepted by the fan base. Hence how Hermansen got defended constantly for the same mistakes Stolarcryk gets slaughtered for.

 

Do we not wonder why players like Iverson and Johansson do well once they have left us?

Hence why I said we have a lot bigger problem positions than keeper (and problem players...).

Posted
1 hour ago, LCFCJohn said:

I don’t believe all of those are better keepers than Stolarcryk.

 

Jakub has a few things going against him;

- Playing behind one of the worst defences in this league, particularly for mistakes and exposing the keeper. He gets no protection.

- No quality coaching.

- Toxic club atmosphere.

- Not being Hermansen in the eyes of many fans.

 

If one of those you had listed was playing for us and Stolarcryk was at a Preston or Coventry, it’d be roles reversed. Iverson would be getting pellets (as he did when he was here) and the same with the likes of Rushworth. And we’d have people saying how much better that Stolarcryk is than our keeper. 
 

I don’t know if this forum is worse for it or not than others, but there’s a real issue with differentiating between bad players and where bad form and mistakes are as a result of the major issues within this club. It also depends much on whether a player has been accepted by the fan base. Hence how Hermansen got defended constantly for the same mistakes Stolarcryk gets slaughtered for.

 

Do we not wonder why players like Iverson and Johansson do well once they have left us?

Hermansen got grief from a lot of posters

Posted
33 minutes ago, Brizzle Fox said:

Hence why I said we have a lot bigger problem positions than keeper (and problem players...).

Yeah I get it. It wasn’t a case of having a go at you or anything as you weren’t being massively critical.

 

It was just the reference to a list of possibly better keepers in this league. And I think it’s easy to look at keepers in positive sides who are doing well and make these assumptions. 
 

Iverson is a very interesting one as he was deemed not good enough for us but is now doing really well. I always defended him at the time and said he wasn’t a bad keeper but was not suited to what we were trying to do at the time. If you swapped the two now, I bet Iverson would struggle here and Stolarcryk would look class at Preston.

 

But yeah, I agree with you not a major problem.

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Posted
11 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said:

Hermansen got grief from a lot of posters

I remember a lot of ‘well it’s going to happen sometimes when playing this way’ and ‘he’s earned us enough through his playing out to justify the mistake’ etc etc.

 

Whereas with Stolarcryk, despite the data showing he has prevented the most goals (as of when the data was posted a couple of weeks ago), he seems to get none of the benefit that Hermansen had. The Ipswich goal he was called stupid etc. Which yes ok, but look at the more or less identical one posted further up from the Blackburn game 2 years ago. I bet if you looked back at the match threads, the reaction would be a lot more forgiving and justifying.

 

Hermansen definitely got a lot more leeway for his mistakes due to people loving him for the playing out ability whereas many were on a downer about Jakub before the season even kicked off. Which is why I say he has the ‘not Mads’ factor going against him.

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Posted (edited)

Awful distribution, makes some decent saves, but has a bad habit of pushing the ball out in front of him, and into a dangerous area. 

Beat on his near post twice in the last three games, which isn't great to be honest.

Tries to punch every incoming cross, even when he has an easy catch he can make. 

Judgements on when to come off his line is questionable, not helped by the defenders in front of him, but it works the other way too.

If the defenders don't have the confidence in the keeper, then they will play situations differently, to a keeper they do have confidence in. 

Is he good enough for a club at the bottom end of the championship, which is what we are, then possibly.

Is he good enough for a club at the top end looking to get promoted, probably not.

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1 hour ago, LCFCJohn said:

I remember a lot of ‘well it’s going to happen sometimes when playing this way’ and ‘he’s earned us enough through his playing out to justify the mistake’ etc etc.

 

Whereas with Stolarcryk, despite the data showing he has prevented the most goals (as of when the data was posted a couple of weeks ago), he seems to get none of the benefit that Hermansen had. The Ipswich goal he was called stupid etc. Which yes ok, but look at the more or less identical one posted further up from the Blackburn game 2 years ago. I bet if you looked back at the match threads, the reaction would be a lot more forgiving and justifying.

 

Hermansen definitely got a lot more leeway for his mistakes due to people loving him for the playing out ability whereas many were on a downer about Jakub before the season even kicked off. Which is why I say he has the ‘not Mads’ factor going against him.

I couldn't disagree more, there was a whole number of posters who gave Hermansen grief and didn't play the whole "it's okay it'll happen sometimes" line and continued to do so after he started poorly at West Ham

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34 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said:

I couldn't disagree more, there was a whole number of posters who gave Hermansen grief and didn't play the whole "it's okay it'll happen sometimes" line and continued to do so after he started poorly at West Ham

Agree to disagree. Or rather there always people on both sides of the fence. So both GKs had/have people defending them and both with people criticising. 
 

I wasn’t saying nobody criticised Hermansen when he cocked up. Of course they did, plenty of times and rightly so. My perception was he got a lot more excuses made for him and defence from certain quarters than Stolarcryk does for the same issues. 
 

Ultimately it’s not tangible as posts are made in all sorts of threads at different times so it’s not something there is data for! It is perception and if you disagree and think they have both had equal criticism and defence, then ok. We all have our views and I respect yours. It’s not like either are stupid points of view on something as like I say, it is just how you as an individual perceive your reading of the forum. 

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Mads came with an aura about it him. Supposedly someone that Man City were keeping an eye on that Enzo tapped up immediately. At the time most of us thought that Iversen was the way forward and were a little surprised the GK position was prioritised, but you could see quite quickly how Mads slotted into what Enzo wanted. Mads massively benefited from all that and played that 'additional' defender role very well, and many here thought we had a 40 million + keeper on our hands. 

 

But Mads was peppered nowhere near as much as Jakub is, and i remember in the early days Mads struggling to keep clean sheets (ironically Jakub kept more when he got a short run due to Mads injury). When things got tougher, Mads started to make lots of mistakes too.  

 

Appears there is no aura coming through the academy - just expectation. Our side is proper sh1t right now. Mads benefitted from an era where we were dominating possession all over the pitch and an era where a reborn Ndidi was able to protect the defence further up the pitch. I think Vestergaard is worse with the ball now as well - where he plays many awkward balls back to the keeper.

 

For Mads though, how times change. I was at St Pancras station one evening when he started for West Ham and chatted to some fans (he got hammered at the game). They all couldn't believe they had bought a 'relegated' keeper. There was no aura, no benefits from playing an 'additional' defender. Just a signing that they didnt think was good enough, and certainly not a potential 40m+ keeper.

 

Someone likened Jakub to Ward which is infuriating, especially when you can see the improvements we made when Jakub came back from injury last season. He doesnt need dropping right now - we need to stick by him and help him develop.

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Posted
54 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

Mads came with an aura about it him. Supposedly someone that Man City were keeping an eye on that Enzo tapped up immediately. At the time most of us thought that Iversen was the way forward and were a little surprised the GK position was prioritised, but you could see quite quickly how Mads slotted into what Enzo wanted. Mads massively benefited from all that and played that 'additional' defender role very well, and many here thought we had a 40 million + keeper on our hands. 

 

But Mads was peppered nowhere near as much as Jakub is, and i remember in the early days Mads struggling to keep clean sheets (ironically Jakub kept more when he got a short run due to Mads injury). When things got tougher, Mads started to make lots of mistakes too.  

 

Appears there is no aura coming through the academy - just expectation. Our side is proper sh1t right now. Mads benefitted from an era where we were dominating possession all over the pitch and an era where a reborn Ndidi was able to protect the defence further up the pitch. I think Vestergaard is worse with the ball now as well - where he plays many awkward balls back to the keeper.

 

For Mads though, how times change. I was at St Pancras station one evening when he started for West Ham and chatted to some fans (he got hammered at the game). They all couldn't believe they had bought a 'relegated' keeper. There was no aura, no benefits from playing an 'additional' defender. Just a signing that they didnt think was good enough, and certainly not a potential 40m+ keeper.

 

Someone likened Jakub to Ward which is infuriating, especially when you can see the improvements we made when Jakub came back from injury last season. He doesnt need dropping right now - we need to stick by him and help him develop.

Mads did get heavily peppered in the prem though, and was pretty much the only reason Cooper lasted as long as he did, struggled massively after his injury though.

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1 minute ago, Tommy Fresh said:

Mads did get heavily peppered in the prem though, and was pretty much the only reason Cooper lasted as long as he did, struggled massively after his injury though.

Mads was outstanding at the start (that Arsenal game was outstanding) - but it didnt last long. Following his injury he wasnt as good as Jakub.

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1 hour ago, Chelmofox said:

Mads was outstanding at the start (that Arsenal game was outstanding) - but it didnt last long. Following his injury he wasnt as good as Jakub.

And you could say the same for Jakub pre injury which is another reason I’d have kept Begovic in for another few weeks.

Posted
5 hours ago, smudger63 said:

Awful distribution, makes some decent saves, but has a bad habit of pushing the ball out in front of him, and into a dangerous area. 

Beat on his near post twice in the last three games, which isn't great to be honest.

Tries to punch every incoming cross, even when he has an easy catch he can make. 

Judgements on when to come off his line is questionable, not helped by the defenders in front of him, but it works the other way too.

If the defenders don't have the confidence in the keeper, then they will play situations differently, to a keeper they do have confidence in. 

Is he good enough for a club at the bottom end of the championship, which is what we are, then possibly.

Is he good enough for a club at the top end looking to get promoted, probably not.

Spot on sir.

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On 21/12/2025 at 14:07, TheFiveTime said:

anyone blaming jakub for our predicament needs a long hard look at themselves. he is a perfectly competent championship keeper. Sure he makes mistakes but we are in the championship - this is how they perform

In the big picture he is not the problem.... if we have any money to spend which I doubt we don't need to spend it on a keeper.   As I finish writing that I realize that if Rudkin has found some cash stashed in the desk drawer he will probably spend it on a keeper.

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