Ben Moore - Ipswich fan who died

[cruzFOX]

Sincere condolences to young Ben and his family. Even though this is one sick individual who obviously needs some help to mend his ways in no way should it tar the rest of us decent fans. Saying that I can see how social media can distort & amplify this kind of behaviour as falsely representative of all foxes fans. Yes it makes one angry to be associated with this individual who is not a true fan. Now his identity is known and even his home address please Let the police do their jobs and handle it from here. 
apologies to Ipswich fans also.

[Voll Blau]

I'm not convinced trying to get an in-game tribute going out of guilt for the actions of a single dim cvnt on the internet (who happens to support the same football team as you) is really doing it for the right reasons, to be honest.

[South Shire Fox]

Clicked on the guys profile and turns out id already muted him from my twitter feed so he must of been a cvnt in the past. Unfortunately every club has scumbags that associate with them and hes clearly one of them

[damolcfc]

What a disgusting human , and the fact he still gloats about it later on. 😠

🦊🚜💙💙

[LCFCJohn]

People who do this shit must just be damaged in the head. No other answer for it.

 

The best thing to come out of cases like this (and the Sheff Weds fans about Bradley Lowery), would be for unpaid work/community sentences working in places where people are receiving treatments for these illnesses. It might teach them some humanity and decency.

[ALC Fox]

I have a few thoughts on this so I thought I'd try to summarise them as succinctly as possible (presenting them a list probably comes across as a bit cold, so apologies for that):

 

1. Ridiculing a person's death online isn't okay. What this chap did deserves punishment from the online platform and I hope LCFC continue their efforts to stop him attending Leicester City games home and away.

 

2. I'm really sorry for the loss of the Ipswich fan. My best wishes to his friends, family and the Ipswich fans who knew him.

 

3. Posting MJDLCFC's real name and address online isn't okay either (I'm sure it wasn't you, OP). His friends and family will surely get some flak coming their way, which isn't right.

 

4. Every fanbase of every club in the world will have its own element of scumbags. In a logical-thinking world, the behaviour of those people shouldn't tarnish the reputation of the club or the town/city that they come from. The overwhelming majority of other fans of the club and residents of those places have nothing to do with those people. Every comment that says 'Liverpool fans chant about Munich', 'Man Utd fans chant about Hillsborough' and any other mocking of tragic events should be read and understood as 'a miniscule minority of X club's supporters are involved in the horrible act of tragedy chanting'. The actions of those people should affect only the reputation of those individuals.

 

Peace ✌️

[Finnegan]

1 hour ago, Voll Blau said:

I'm not convinced trying to get an in-game tribute going out of guilt for the actions of a single dim cvnt on the internet (who happens to support the same football team as you) is really doing it for the right reasons, to be honest.

 

Might take some stick for this but none of this thread is necessary or smart to be quite honest. 

 

Gutting that anyone dies of cancer, it's unbelievably tragic that it's a lad in his twenties. But that's for his family and friends. 

 

All this thread does is give the troll and others like him oxygen. If people stopped going on the internet looking to enjoy being offended and just blocked this kid and others like him without responding, retweeting or otherwise making him famous then him and others like him would stop. 

 

It would certainly be a much better approach than doxxing him which - and here's the really unpopular bit - is actually more of a crime and more offensive than him making a stupid and offensive post about a cancer victim. 

 

[Guest worth_the_wait]

2 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Might take some stick for this but none of this thread is necessary or smart to be quite honest. 

 

Gutting that anyone dies of cancer, it's unbelievably tragic that it's a lad in his twenties. But that's for his family and friends. 

 

All this thread does is give the troll and others like him oxygen. If people stopped going on the internet looking to enjoy being offended and just blocked this kid and others like him without responding, retweeting or otherwise making him famous then him and others like him would stop. 

 

It would certainly be a much better approach than doxxing him which - and here's the really unpopular bit - is actually more of a crime and more offensive than him making a stupid and offensive post about a cancer victim. 

 

For once, I think you're absolutely spot on here.

 

People are just giving the idiot the publicity they seek in the first place.   If someone posts some dim-witted offensive sh*t, just ignore it.    They're mostly only doing it to get a reaction, in the first place.

 

[Footballwipe]

I must admit some of the response on this has been a bit performative. The person who claims to be a Leicester fan clearly has form for it and seems to be showing no remorse. He's achieved his objective in offending Ipswich fans in a crass and vile way (but a way I suspect he knows will work). 

 

However I'm not entirely why there are Leicester fans apologising. It's not for us to apologise for one outlier claiming to support the club, who has already been banned due to previous behaviour. He's an internet troll and we shouldn't be saying sorry every time a person attaching themselves to the club makes comments. We'd probably need a thread a week.

 

As mentioned, it is also absolutely not the basis for a minute's applause. I've strong opinions on minute applauses generally but if one is being organised, it should not be to "make up" for one rogue fan. Anyone of sane mind would and will know that one person on the internet is not indicative of an entire fanbase. Indeed, some might disagree completely with this, which just emphasises that one person on the internet is not indicative of an entire fanbase.

 

The loss is terrible and I do hope the family and friends can find peace and ultimately put this trolling behind them.

[Fazzer 7]

22,  what a tragedy. I can only extend my deepest sympathy to his family and friends. As for that low life and his tweet,he should be ashamed.

[majaco]

Best wishes to all who knew Ben Moore.   Sad story.

 

There are some people who let tribalism of football take them over.    It's a sport, it's a game.  We're watching other people play it.   It needs keeping in context.

 

There is no reason to behave in a vile way.

[bovril]

2 hours ago, Fazzer 7 said:

22,  what a tragedy. I can only extend my deepest sympathy to his family and friends. As for that low life and his tweet,he should be ashamed.

I like to think in a couple of years he will be ashamed and remorseful. Maybe not. I made some pretty sick jokes as a teenager partly to try and fit in and partly because I was an angry and insecure dickhead. This guy also seems pretty dim. Thankfully when I was at school we didn't have social media to make things worse.

 

I find it a bit concerning that the instant reaction to this kind of thing now is to call on the police to get involved or even post the guy's address. Even banning him for life seems excessive to me, though more understandable on the club's part. Obviously if he's harassing the family that's a different matter.

 

I would wager that if meets the family or people who have lost loved ones to cancer he would feel remorse. But maybe not, maybe he's a lost cause. We seem to have lost faith in the idea of redemption. 

[murphy]

2 hours ago, Footballwipe said:

I must admit some of the response on this has been a bit performative. The person who claims to be a Leicester fan clearly has form for it and seems to be showing no remorse. He's achieved his objective in offending Ipswich fans in a crass and vile way (but a way I suspect he knows will work). 

 

However I'm not entirely why there are Leicester fans apologising. It's not for us to apologise for one outlier claiming to support the club, who has already been banned due to previous behaviour. He's an internet troll and we shouldn't be saying sorry every time a person attaching themselves to the club makes comments. We'd probably need a thread a week.

 

As mentioned, it is also absolutely not the basis for a minute's applause. I've strong opinions on minute applauses generally but if one is being organised, it should not be to "make up" for one rogue fan. Anyone of sane mind would and will know that one person on the internet is not indicative of an entire fanbase. Indeed, some might disagree completely with this, which just emphasises that one person on the internet is not indicative of an entire fanbase.

 

The loss is terrible and I do hope the family and friends can find peace and ultimately put this trolling behind them.

 

I don't agree with this.  Reputations are built collectively so when a pathetic individual decides to mock a cancer victim, in our name, because he happened to support a club we were playing that week, I'm afraid that casts a shadow upon our support as whole.  I'm sure that Ipswich fans realise that collectively we are not the same as our very worst elements but nonetheless he has soiled the name of the club and it's support with his actions.  Furthermore, an Ipswich fan has visited the forum to bring this to our attention and thereby challenged us to demonstrate the fact that we are not all Matt whasisname from Blaby,.  It is only natural and decent for Leicester fans to pass on our condolences and want to distance ourselves from his behaviour.   

 

A response was and is necessary in my opinion which is why I favour the 22 minute applause thing.  Matt from Blaby has made this an LCFC issue I'm afraid and one that we need to react to, to show that we deplore the behaviour of this individual, to show respect for the deceased and to reclaim our reputation.  It's not enough to shrug our shoulders and say "well it wasn't me".

 

 

 

 

Edited 29 December 2023 by murphy

[murphy]

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Edited 29 December 2023 by murphy

[cruzFOX]

Footballwipe and Murphy make two great counterpoints. Just speaking for myself I would not have known about this or felt compelled to defend myself and foxes fans as a whole if the Ipswich fan hadn’t come onto our forumn and Present this to us. Now that he has we can’t just ignore it. We should show support for Ben and condone the idiotic behavior of the troll it’s the right thing to do. Peace.

[Wolfox]

40 minutes ago, murphy said:

 

I don't agree with this.  Reputations are built collectively so when a pathetic individual decides to mock a cancer victim, in our name, because he happened to support a club we were playing that week, I'm afraid that casts a shadow upon our support as whole.  I'm sure that Ipswich fans realise that collectively we are not the same as our very worst elements but nonetheless he has soiled the name of the club and it's support with his actions.  Furthermore, an Ipswich fan has visited the forum to bring this to our attention and thereby challenged us to demonstrate the fact that we are not all Matt whasisname from Blaby,.  It is only natural and decent for Leicester fans to pass on our condolences and want to distance ourselves from his behaviour.   

 

A response was and is necessary in my opinion which is why I favour the 22 minute applause thing.  Matt from Blaby has made this an LCFC issue I'm afraid and one that we need to react to, to show that we deplore the behaviour of this individual, to show respect for the deceased and to reclaim our reputation.  It's not enough to shrug our shoulders and say "well it wasn't me".

 

 

 

 

Quite Dave

 

Also, if it offers the poor lads family even the smallest crumb of comfort I’ll happily applaud 

 

Frankly, I find it bizarre that some posters are trying to find a counter position or ‘alternative view’…. It’s both crass and insensitive 

Edited 29 December 2023 by Wolfox

[Jobyfox]

12 minutes ago, Wolfox said:

Quite Dave

 

Also, if it offers the poor lads family even the smallest crumb of comfort I’ll happily applaud 

 

Frankly, I find it bizarre that some posters are trying to find a counter position or ‘alternative view’…. It’s both crass and insensitive 

If you read some of the “alternative views” they have been put across persuasively and intelligently. Just because you don’t understand or agree with them doesn’t make them insensitive or crass. 
 

Nobody has anything but sympathy for this man’s family and derision for the individual who made the comments. There is, however, a wider perspective of how best to deal with internet trolls 

[Wolfox]

5 minutes ago, Jobyfox said:

If you read some of the “alternative views” they have been put across persuasively and intelligently. Just because you don’t understand or agree with them doesn’t make them insensitive or crass. 
 

Nobody has anything but sympathy for this man’s family and derision for the individual who made the comments. There is, however, a wider perspective of how best to deal with internet trolls 

I fully understood them

 

[inckley fox]

2 hours ago, murphy said:

 

I don't agree with this.  Reputations are built collectively so when a pathetic individual decides to mock a cancer victim, in our name, because he happened to support a club we were playing that week, I'm afraid that casts a shadow upon our support as whole.  I'm sure that Ipswich fans realise that collectively we are not the same as our very worst elements but nonetheless he has soiled the name of the club and it's support with his actions.  Furthermore, an Ipswich fan has visited the forum to bring this to our attention and thereby challenged us to demonstrate the fact that we are not all Matt whasisname from Blaby,.  It is only natural and decent for Leicester fans to pass on our condolences and want to distance ourselves from his behaviour.   

 

A response was and is necessary in my opinion which is why I favour the 22 minute applause thing.  Matt from Blaby has made this an LCFC issue I'm afraid and one that we need to react to, to show that we deplore the behaviour of this individual, to show respect for the deceased and to reclaim our reputation.  It's not enough to shrug our shoulders and say "well it wasn't me".

 

 

 

 

Personally - and I know I'm contradicting myself by even posting in this thread - I have to go along with those who say that we're getting on the 'social media action-reaction pirate ship ride' by even feeling the need to bite when some cretin posts a load of brainless rubbish.

 

There's no need to apologise just because someone behaving abhorrently associates themselves with your club, or anything else that you support. Plenty of dreadful people follow our club, and even if you consider that they're pretending to act 'in our name', then why should you feel remorse for that? I don't believe that followers of a religion should protest their innocence when others purport to commit atrocities in their name. I wouldn't shudder if I saw a serial rapist arrive in court with an LCFC scarf draped over his shoulder. And when I'm in a foreign bar and an English person tells the waiter that, being a silly foreign sort, they'd do well to take in some British wisdom, I don't feel the need to proclaim 'not all English people are like that - see?' It'd be as daft as a Beatles fanatic feeling the need to be overly-nice to victims of the Manson family.

 

That sort of reaction shows that you feel that, in some way, these people do represent you. They don't represent us, though. And instead of being guilt-tripped into reminding people that I'm a human being, I'd prefer to get on with the job. A young person died. That's extremely sad. It truly is. Someone made jokes about this, and they hurt someone. That's awful. But any argument that the rest of us should feel responsibility for those jokes is obviously fatally flawed.

Edited 29 December 2023 by inckley fox
I confused Charles Manson with, well, Mansun, in my spelling.

[South Shire Fox]

4 hours ago, ALC Fox said:

I have a few thoughts on this so I thought I'd try to summarise them as succinctly as possible (presenting them a list probably comes across as a bit cold, so apologies for that):

 

1. Ridiculing a person's death online isn't okay. What this chap did deserves punishment from the online platform and I hope LCFC continue their efforts to stop him attending Leicester City games home and away.

 

2. I'm really sorry for the loss of the Ipswich fan. My best wishes to his friends, family and the Ipswich fans who knew him.

 

3. Posting MJDLCFC's real name and address online isn't okay either (I'm sure it wasn't you, OP). His friends and family will surely get some flak coming their way, which isn't right.

 

4. Every fanbase of every club in the world will have its own element of scumbags. In a logical-thinking world, the behaviour of those people shouldn't tarnish the reputation of the club or the town/city that they come from. The overwhelming majority of other fans of the club and residents of those places have nothing to do with those people. Every comment that says 'Liverpool fans chant about Munich', 'Man Utd fans chant about Hillsborough' and any other mocking of tragic events should be read and understood as 'a miniscule minority of X club's supporters are involved in the horrible act of tragedy chanting'. The actions of those people should affect only the reputation of those individuals.

 

Peace ✌️

Posting his real name is deffinetly ok. You shouldnt be able to hide behind a fake profile online and post shite you wouldnt say to someones face. No time for trolls whatsoever. Address is wrong

Edited 29 December 2023 by South Shire Fox

[leicsmac]

On the general topic, 22 is no age at all and it's such a tragedy that cancer continues to take lives so young. So much sympathy for those he has left behind who grieve.

 

On the topic of what this...person has said on social media, it's a tricky topic because it's pretty much unsolvable to everyone's satisfaction, but AFAIC people like that sometimes require a lesson: they are free to be a trolling tw@t, but that freedom comes hand in hand with the most fundamental freedom of all - the freedom to take the consequences of one's actions.

[murphy]

30 minutes ago, inckley fox said:

Personally - and I know I'm contradicting myself by even posting in this thread - I have to go along with those who say that we're getting on the 'social media action-reaction pirate ship ride' by even feeling the need to bite when some cretin posts a load of brainless rubbish.

 

There's no need to apologise just because someone behaving abhorrently associates themselves with your club, or anything else that you support. Plenty of dreadful people follow our club, and even if you consider that they're pretending to act 'in our name', then why should you feel remorse for that? I don't believe that followers of a religion should protest their innocence when others purport to commit atrocities in their name. I wouldn't shudder if I saw a serial rapist arrive in court with an LCFC scarf draped over his shoulder. And when I'm in a foreign bar and an English person tells the waiter that, being a silly foreign sort, they'd do well to take in some British wisdom, I don't feel the need to proclaim 'not all English people are like that - see?' It'd be as daft as a Beatles fanatic feeling the need to be overly-nice to victims of the Mansun family.

 

That sort of reaction shows that you feel that, in some way, these people do represent you. They don't represent us, though. And instead of being guilt-tripped into reminding people that I'm a human being, I'd prefer to get on with the job. A young person died. That's extremely sad. It truly is. Someone made jokes about this, and they hurt someone. That's awful. But any argument that the rest of us should feel responsibility for those jokes is obviously fatally flawed.

Surely you understand that the actions of individuals directly affects the reputation of the fanbase as a whole.  To add to the examples that you have given, if I were a Liverpool fan for instance, I probably wouldn't be wearing the club shirt around Brussels or Turin C.1986.  I'm not sure that the locals would be so quick to make the distinction that you have made.

 

I understand the idea of not feeding trolls, but this particular instance has been held up in front of our faces and to simply ignore it, under such circumstances would be to send out a clear message of tacit approval.  You may be able to shrug off the association but that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

 

 

 

 

 

[Voll Blau]

10 minutes ago, murphy said:

Surely you understand that the actions of individuals directly affects the reputation of the fanbase as a whole.  To add to the examples that you have given, if I were a Liverpool fan for instance, I probably wouldn't be wearing the club shirt around Brussels or Turin C.1986.  I'm not sure that the locals would be so quick to make the distinction that you have made.

 

I understand the idea of not feeding trolls, but this particular instance has been held up in front of our faces and to simply ignore it, under such circumstances would be to send out a clear message of tacit approval.  You may be able to shrug off the association but that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

 

If you seriously thought it necessary to condemn and apologise for any vile, bigoted or whatever social media post from some herbert with '@LCFC fan' or similar in their Twitter handle, after someone else had publicly called them out, then you'd exhaust yourself within 24 hours. Same goes for fans of any football club.

 

Any reasonable-minded person knows that opting not to do that is nothing like tens of thousands of fans of a particular club sending out "a clear message of tacit approval" for the behaviour of one single individual.

[Guest glasgowfox]

I have thought long and hard about whether to post on this subject.  However, it is an open forum and people should be allowed to voice their own opinion.  Without doubt this is a disgusting, despicable, cowardly and disgraceful thing to do and I hope the person who mocked his death gets the highest punishment available, which in itself will not be enough in many peoples eyes.  I also hope in time he reflects on what he has done and realises how much pain and hurt he has caused.  However, and this is my view and opinion, I do not believe that this tarnishes foxes fans as it is an individual piece of sh.t that has done this.  I am not trying to add to any pain just give my opinion.  As far as I am aware the Bradley Lowry incident was actually in the crowd at the game and not some low life coward hiding behind a computer and I personally do not find them comparable.  I firmly believe if this or any other individual had mocked such a tragic event whilst in our end then our fans would have dealt with him without hesitation and it would have been a sore one.  We as a club recognise tragedy only too well.  It is not being flippant but unfortunately the odd individual is amongst all fans.  RIP Ben Moore and sincere condolences to all of his family and friends.

Edited 29 December 2023 by glasgowfox
Grammar

[murphy]

1 minute ago, Voll Blau said:

If you seriously thought it necessary to condemn and apologise for any vile, bigoted or whatever social media post from some herbert with '@LCFC fan' or similar in their Twitter handle, after someone else had publicly called them out, then you'd exhaust yourself within 24 hours. Same goes for fans of any football club.

 

Any reasonable-minded person knows that opting not to do that is nothing like tens of thousands of fans of a particular club sending out "a clear message of tacit approval" for the behaviour of one single individual.

I don't inhabit the sewers of twitter or whatever its called these days, perhaps laughing in he face of a tragic young death is an everyday occurrence, in which case I heartily recommend that you follow my example, but don't you understand the distinction that I have made?  We have had this incident held up in front of out faces.  What do we think?  Silence?

 

I have never advocated or even mentioned apologising on behalf of this individual but we do need to distance ourselves from this kind of behaviour and show a bit of common decency.

 

Anyway, I have said my piece on the matter now, I don't wish to go any further OT