US Presidential Election 2024

[Uncle Monty]

I don't think the world will end but am deeply concerned about the state of democracy in this country (USA).

 

The man sent an angry mob to kill politicians including people in his own party and people just brush it off.

 

He also has a majority of power in the Senate and has puppets in the supreme court meaning he can pass laws at will.

 

What is to stop him from changing the mount of terms a sitting president can have (probably his age). Or changing any other constitutional law.

 

Project 2025 is very scary.

 

If you are a US resident it is a genuine concern. You can say people won't let that happen but the fact that all of his misdemeanors have been brushed aside gives me very little hope.

[leicsmac]

22 minutes ago, TamworthFoxes said:

Exactly, its so annoying when the stupid people all vote and get it wrong.  Its as if they don't appreciate us clever people using our better educations to try and point them in the correct direction.

 

They also seem to take offence with us pointing out just how stupid they are.  

 

But don't worry, the stupid people will only be here for a day or two to laugh at us about this result.  Thankfully they will then disappear and we can discuss the important stuff between ourselves again and reassure each other we are the correct ones.

Pretty much.

 

And look where that leaves everyone, both "stupid" and "smart", in the end.

 

Welcome to the world where no one is invalidated, but no one is right.

[st albans fox]

24 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Still no word from Kamala? Nothing to thank the thousands of campaigners who have worked tirelessly to advance her agenda or congratulating her opposition.

Glad that she's the complete opposite of Trump and is taking defeat so graciously and in an adult-like manner.

It’s 10am in Washington 

give her a chance !

[RoboFox]

1 minute ago, Uncle Monty said:

I don't think the world will end but am deeply concerned about the state of democracy in this country (USA).

 

The man sent an angry mob to kill politicians including people in his own party and people just brush it off.

 

He also has a majority of power in the Senate and has puppets in the supreme court meaning he can pass laws at will.

 

What is to stop him from changing the mount of terms a sitting president can have (probably his age). Or changing any other constitutional law.

 

Project 2025 is very scary.

 

If you are a US resident it is a genuine concern. You can say people won't let that happen but the fact that all of his misdemeanors have been brushed aside gives me very little hope.

Oh yeah? And what do you know, OBVIOUS US CITIZEN? 

 

Big Craig from Glenfield who voted Reform UK because his uncle on Facebook said the earth was flat popped on here to say all the libs are having a meltdown for no reason. 

 

I think I know who I want to believe. 

[grobyfox1990]

4 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

It’s 10am in Washington 

give her a chance !

Yes true, I am being facetious. In better news, that comment garnered an emoji from Phil Bowman!! Got that warm glow back, like being hugged by a cup of piping hot cocoa >3 

[Scotch]

6 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

It’s 10am in Washington 

give her a chance !

She picked a hell of a day to have a lie-in!

[st albans fox]

8 minutes ago, Scotch said:

She picked a hell of a day to have a lie-in!

Apparently she’ll be speaking 6pm ET 

[leicsmac]

Interesting numbers all told:

 

- around 20 million less voters than 2020

- 3 million less Repub voters

- 17 million less Dem voters

 

Make of that rather large plunge in voting enthusiasm what you will.

[Sir Steve Howard]

23 minutes ago, RoboFox said:

There's plenty of evidence to point to an ideological gap between more and less educated adults and the tendency of the former to take predominantly liberal positions across a range of political values. 

 

At least when I call my University of Life graduate friends thickos, I've got the facts to back it up. 

Split between degree/no degree is noticeable but not huge. Also I take these with a pinch of salt given the rubbish that you can study for a degree in these days. Would prefer to see a STEM degree split.

[leicsmac]

15 minutes ago, Sir Steve Howard said:

Split between degree/no degree is noticeable but not huge. Also I take these with a pinch of salt given the rubbish that you can study for a degree in these days. Would prefer to see a STEM degree split.

I'd be interested to meet a climate scientist that voted for him except in the most extenuating of circumstances.

 

Edit: ditto any space scientist that has ideas of space being explored as a global commons and not exploited as a new front in a future Cold War.

Edited 6 November 2024 by leicsmac

[Lionator]

The one really interesting thing on foreign policy that I read is that Vance is the first Iraq veteran to hold a big post. The thesis being that the trauma’s for those are so great that they hate the interventionist approach to foreign policy. So we are definitely moving into new territory. Hopefully the neocon days are over and the scars of Bush can finally be laid to rest. 

[Lambert09]

Problem is that you’re never going to have more than 30% of people that are actually politically literate. 

 

People go with emotions and buzz words and rarely scratch the surface behind things. America in particular, is harder to get objectivity because they treat political partys like sports teams, you give them blind loyalty because that’s what’s been ingrained in you. People at man u would make excuses for Greenwood because he was at their club, that’s the same as you see with people excusing political candidates inexcusable behaviours 

Edited 6 November 2024 by Lambert09

[The boy Linacre]

19 minutes ago, Sir Steve Howard said:

Split between degree/no degree is noticeable but not huge. Also I take these with a pinch of salt given the rubbish that you can study for a degree in these days. Would prefer to see a STEM degree split.

That is based on a poll of only 20k

But Yes aside from White Men 45-64, all the majority numbers are for the Democrats.

It was mildly funny to start with 8 years ago, BUT it all unravelled.  The middle of the country has become so polarised in the last 20 years in their right wing extremism, its just very sad.

Don't think it will be as funny this time AND it'll be very interesting to see how he ends these wars he told us he is going to do

His coterie of fruitcakes like Elon will add an interesting dynamic to it this time!!

Lets get ready for the ride..........Reliable in his unreliability

[ARTY_FOX]

Some of the paranoia and hyperbolic sentiment is truly fascinating.

[Foxdiamond]

What now for the Democrats?

[Muzzy_no7]

27 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Interesting numbers all told:

 

- around 20 million less voters than 2020

- 3 million less Repub voters

- 17 million less Dem voters

 

Make of that rather large plunge in voting enthusiasm what you will.

What do you make of it? 

[StriderHiryu]

34 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Interesting numbers all told:

 

- around 20 million less voters than 2020

- 3 million less Repub voters

- 17 million less Dem voters

 

Make of that rather large plunge in voting enthusiasm what you will.

This might not be a lack of enthusiasm but more of a deliberate choice not to vote. IE Democrats who did not want to vote for Trump / Republican, but also did not want to for Harris. So it's almost like a protest vote. Something very similar happened in our elections, even though Labour won by a landslide.

[SpacedX]

9 minutes ago, ARTY_FOX said:

Some of the paranoia and hyperbolic sentiment is truly fascinating.

I'm guessing that the irony was intentional?

[leicsmac]

6 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

What do you make of it? 

 

Just now, StriderHiryu said:

This might not be a lack of enthusiasm but more of a deliberate choice not to vote. IE Democrats who did not want to vote for Trump / Republican, but also did not want to for Harris. So it's almost like a protest vote. Something very similar happened in our elections, even though Labour won by a landslide.

This kind of apathy, or voter suppression on a rather large scale, or a mix of the two.

 

It'll take a while, if ever, to really find out which.

[KFS]

The hyperbole in here and that tweet from Owen above really shows how little a lot of you know about the lived experience over here.

 

Inflation was absolutely a number one reason to vote this time out. I’m not a Trump fan but it was a disaster from the Dems having someone front their party who’s answer to ‘what’s your plan?” is to repeat the same rhetoric about her origin story. It was a bizarre tactic.

 

My wife and I reflected this morning that neither candidate really took our interest, so we regress to the simple notion of our wallets. My stocks and assets are already up heavily this morning. 

[Lionator]

1 hour ago, Uncle Monty said:

I don't think the world will end but am deeply concerned about the state of democracy in this country (USA).

 

The man sent an angry mob to kill politicians including people in his own party and people just brush it off.

 

He also has a majority of power in the Senate and has puppets in the supreme court meaning he can pass laws at will.

 

What is to stop him from changing the mount of terms a sitting president can have (probably his age). Or changing any other constitutional law.

 

Project 2025 is very scary.

 

If you are a US resident it is a genuine concern. You can say people won't let that happen but the fact that all of his misdemeanors have been brushed aside gives me very little hope.

Hasn’t he pretty strongly denounced project 2025?

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, KFS said:

The hyperbole in here and that tweet from Owen above really shows how little a lot of you know about the lived experience over here.

 

Inflation was absolutely a number one reason to vote this time out. I’m not a Trump fan but it was a disaster from the Dems having someone front their party who’s answer to ‘what’s your plan?” is to repeat the same rhetoric about her origin story. It was a bizarre tactic.

 

My wife and I reflected this morning that neither candidate really took our interest, so we regress to the simple notion of our wallets. My stocks and assets are already up heavily this morning. 

Some of us have lived in the US, and understand the pull of self interest. We just didn't think that it was so strong.

 

 

Just now, Lionator said:

Hasn’t he pretty strongly denounced project 2025?

He has. You can bet those behind him looking for a favour haven't.

 

Besides, it would hardly be out of form for the guy to turn around and do it anyway in spite of saying he wouldn't, would it?

[leicsmac]

I wonder what the general international response will be?

 

Possible the only leaders to really welcome the outcome will be Putin and Netanyahu.

[Dunge]

51 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Interesting numbers all told:

 

- around 20 million less voters than 2020

- 3 million less Repub voters

- 17 million less Dem voters

 

Make of that rather large plunge in voting enthusiasm what you will.

That is interesting, given how everyone was talking about potential record turnout.

[StanSP]

What was Trump's impact on the economy in his last tenure? 

 

Did he cut taxes like he has promised to do so this time? 

 

I noted on some of the coverage last night the analysis was that economy was the number one issue across the board for voters. Is it likely that Trump sorts the US economy out for the people that voted him in? Is it a false promise?