US Presidential Election 2024

[StriderHiryu]

10 minutes ago, Uncle Monty said:

Strider, not just an expert football analyst!

 

I'm going to go with this explanation which makes a lot of sense and is much more palatable than endorsing a corrupt businessman and racist.

 

I get that people are hard up over here (as they are everywhere), so it's easier to understand it that way.

 

Personally, I don't think the price of eggs Trumps (pardon the pun) women's rights.

 

9 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

The response from the markets is pretty wild, we're up 10% today.

Both sad but true.

 

IMO in our elections it was exactly the same thing. For all of the outrage about Partygate, lieing cabinet ministers and misappropriation of public funds, the biggest reason people were upset is because of the cost of living crisis. And it is 100% understandable why that would be the case. Voting for something that makes the biggest difference to your every day makes perfect sense.

 

All that aside I feel sick in the stomach today. I don't have kids, but for those of you who do, how do you explain to them that a man who is so corrupt, detestible and a proven criminal is above the law!?

[Jattdogg]

3 minutes ago, StanSP said:

You have my vote. 

Can't run, born in Leicester lol. Maybe I can run against trudeau? Lol

[leicsmac]

6 minutes ago, Uncle Monty said:

People are too short-sighted.

 

Anyway I don't know if you live over here but Trumpers are more than every-other person, it will be really hard going through daily life thinking everyone supports fascism.

I don't, not anymore, but people I care for, vulnerable and marginalised people, do. I just hope their blood isn't the price of cheaper whatever.

Edited 6 November 2024 by leicsmac

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

 

Both sad but true.

 

IMO in our elections it was exactly the same thing. For all of the outrage about Partygate, lieing cabinet ministers and misappropriation of public funds, the biggest reason people were upset is because of the cost of living crisis. And it is 100% understandable why that would be the case. Voting for something that makes the biggest difference to your every day makes perfect sense.

 

All that aside I feel sick in the stomach today. I don't have kids, but for those of you who do, how do you explain to them that a man who is so corrupt, detestible and a proven criminal is above the law!?

And how do you explain the state of the world that may be left to them?

[whoareyaaa]

37 minutes ago, Babylon said:

I think you are perhaps missing the point, Donald Trump was not solely to thank for the lower prices before the inflation skyrocket, just as Biden isn't solely to blame for high inflation. 

 

Now, of course you can prefer what one persons plan in this election is of how to go about correcting it. That’s a perfectly legitimate reason to go and vote a certain way. 

 

But as per Owen’s tweet, and what I said earlier. Believing the rhetoric that It would have been barely any different under Trump seriously misses the fact it was a global issue, that left nobody unscathed. Prices would have gone up if Trump won a second term and Biden lost, world problems aren’t just going to swerve Donald Trump. 
 

Trump = No Inflation, Harris/Biden = Inflation is an overly simplistic point of view that I’ve seen many people make, a different one I believe to the point you make that you prefer his plan for it right now. 
 

Raising and lowering interest rates are a huge part of inflation control and just like this country, it’s out of the presidents hands and the prime ministers hands and is set by the FED and the Bank of England. 
 

 

Does America not control what happens around the world though ? 

 

Would Putin have gone to war if Trump was President ? 

[Raj]

We have friends in Florida who are contemplating moving back to Europe after Trumps victory today.

They considered coming back to the UK as he worked with my Mrs teaching, but we told them this countrys probably not much better than what they will be leaving at the moment!

[Paninistickers]

Just now, Raj said:

We have friends in Florida who are contemplating moving back to Europe after Trumps victory today.

They considered coming back to the UK as he worked with my Mrs teaching, but we told them this countrys probably not much better than what they will be leaving at the moment!

Lol.anyone considering a move to the UK must be doolally. 

 

Talk about frying pan to fire 

 

 

[StriderHiryu]

40 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

And how do you explain the state of the world that may be left to them?

Exactly! Even worse.

 

You see a continued narrative of "people today don't want to work." But if you see the world we are leaving young people, why would you... A bleak outlook for many.

[Otis]

48 minutes ago, Jattdogg said:

Maybe I can run against trudeau? Lol

You'd have my vote.

[Paninistickers]

51 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

for those of you who do, how do you explain to them that a man who is so corrupt, detestible and a proven criminal is above the law!?

Quite easy..

 

I just tell them not to rely on politicians to dictate their lives. That, largely, you can more or less shape your life within most reasonable margins regardless of Harris / Biden / Trump / Sunak / Starmer was voted in. 

 

....well, shape your life  except for medium level flu illnesses creating martial law,.obvs

[Grebfromgrebland]

2 hours ago, leicsmac said:

It hardly takes rocket science to figure the economy was the key fighting point here.

 

The real meat of the matter is exactly why people prized (and prize) that over other matters and what exactly that means. Otherwise it just becomes as simple as "I'll pay you to vote for me".

The economy is so important in the US because there's no safety net like the benefits system, sick pay isn't that common and you're one illness or complicated child birth away from bankruptcy. A lot of people don't have the luxury thinking like us in the UK.

 

Being a little bit poorer can destabilise your sense of security and high inflation has stung a lot of people in the US.

[Paninistickers]

12 minutes ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

The economy is so important in the US because there's no safety net like the benefits system, sick pay isn't that common and you're one illness or complicated child birth away from bankruptcy. A lot of people don't have the luxury thinking like us in the UK.

 

Being a little bit poorer can destabilise your sense of security and high inflation has stung a lot of people in the US.

Met someone last year who's fella was in the military. I never knew, but military means free health care means an element of security. Edit; including their immediate family 

 

Genuinely had no idea prior of that edgy, precarious life yanks lead,....as you say,  one complicated pregnancy away from financial meltdown 

Edited 6 November 2024 by Paninistickers

[Foxdiamond]

11 minutes ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

The economy is so important in the US because there's no safety net like the benefits system, sick pay isn't that common and you're one illness or complicated child birth away from bankruptcy. A lot of people don't have the luxury thinking like us in the UK.

 

Being a little bit poorer can destabilise your sense of security and high inflation has stung a lot of people in the US.

Some very good points made. So despite all our own issues sometimes we need to appreciate what we have here

[westernpark]

When you don’t have much money, working hard and getting an education is a step to legitimising your voice. Trump never had to bother because he was born rich. I think of my relatives, all immigrants to America, one who was known as the grandfather of magnetic reconnection and fundamentally feel for them. 
It scares me the overall influence that trump could allow someone like RFK junior on the world. 
It frustrates me that people belittle a good education. 

[Uncle Monty]

1 hour ago, leicsmac said:

I don't, not anymore, but people I care for, vulnerable and marginalised people, do. I just hope their blood isn't the price of cheaper whatever.

As my wife put it, people value the price of eggs more than women's rights.

[leicsmac]

39 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

Exactly! Even worse.

 

You see a continued narrative of "people today don't want to work." But if you see the world we are leaving young people, why would you... A bleak outlook for many.

And that leaves people who genuinely care about the future caught between their desire to help, and fatalism that it won't do any good anyway.

 

30 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Quite easy..

 

I just tell them not to rely on politicians to dictate their lives. That, largely, you can more or less shape your life within most reasonable margins regardless of Harris / Biden / Trump / Sunak / Starmer was voted in. 

 

....well, shape your life  except for medium level flu illnesses creating martial law,.obvs

The words "reasonable" and "largely" do a lot of heavy lifting there, I would think, more's the pity.

 

Again, especially concerning the future you want to leave to those kids. Covid was just the tiniest of tastes of what's out there.

 

19 minutes ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

The economy is so important in the US because there's no safety net like the benefits system, sick pay isn't that common and you're one illness or complicated child birth away from bankruptcy. A lot of people don't have the luxury thinking like us in the UK.

 

Being a little bit poorer can destabilise your sense of security and high inflation has stung a lot of people in the US.

This is exactly right. And it breeds a society that is in no way healthy and is given to short term self interested decision making.

 

It's an explanation, but it won't suffice as an excuse. The system requires a fundamental change.

 

8 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Met someone last year who's fella was in the military. I never knew, but military means free health care means an element of security. Edit; including their immediate family 

 

Genuinely had no idea prior of that edgy, precarious life yanks lead,....as you say,  one complicated pregnancy away from financial meltdown 

Precarious is exactly right.

 

Which leads into the decision making issues described above.

 

2 minutes ago, Uncle Monty said:

As my wife put it, people value the price of eggs more than women's rights.

That's because of the emphasis of value on the material there. Like I said, not healthy.

[Koke]

This guy Trump has 9 lives politically. The amount of controversies that follows him, bring a convicted felon, his own previous vice president and chief of staff and others in his circle turning on him, nothing matters to his voters. Failed promises on building a wall that he ran on, doesn't matter to his voters. Adding trillions to the deficit, making future outrageous promises. Nothing matters. I swear it's a cult. I've never seen a group of people love a politician so much. 

[Koke]

I know some may not like him but James O'Brien had a good monologue about this today.

[Koke]

 

[jgtuk]

2 minutes ago, Koke said:

This guy Trump has 9 lives politically. The amount of controversies that follows him, bring a convicted felon, his own previous vice president and chief of staff and others in his circle turning on him, nothing matters to his voters. Failed promises on building a wall that he ran on, doesn't matter to his voters. Adding trillions to the deficit, making future outrageous promises. Nothing matters. I swear it's a cult. I've never seen a group of people love a politician so much. 

Have you ever met a monarchist 

 

 

[HighPeakFox]

2 minutes ago, Koke said:

This guy Trump has 9 lives politically. The amount of controversies that follows him, bring a convicted felon, his own previous vice president and chief of staff and others in his circle turning on him, nothing matters to his voters. Failed promises on building a wall that he ran on, doesn't matter to his voters. Adding trillions to the deficit, making future outrageous promises. Nothing matters. I swear it's a cult. I've never seen a group of people love a politician so much. 

I don't think he is a politician, in any traditional understanding of the word. He is an over-inflated, sociopathic, vengeful, manipulative bully, and sadly too many people get their rocks off on it.

[st albans fox]

2 hours ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

The response from the markets is pretty wild, we're up 10% today.

Dow up 3.6% 

which market was up 10%?

[Koke]

If Harris won by a tiny margin what are the odds there would be another riot and attempted coup? Trump winning has saved people another Jan 6th.

[Paninistickers]

1 minute ago, Koke said:

If Harris won by a tiny margin what are the odds there would be another riot and attempted coup? Trump winning has saved people another Jan 6th.

Very high I'd reckon 

[Sampson]

2 hours ago, whoareyaaa said:

Does America not control what happens around the world though ? 

 

Would Putin have gone to war if Trump was President ? 

Genuinely can’t get my head round why people keep parroting this argument, as Putin will be gleeful Trump won tonight. Everything Trump has said on Ukraine and Putin points to not only would Putin still have done it, but the financial support from Ukraine would be much less under Trump as it woulld be “Americans first”. Trump is not on the side of Ukraine in this ffs, he’s made that quite openly clear. Putin was already at war in the crimea and Trump did nothing. And all Trump will do is avert funding from Ukraine and let Putin take Ukraine. Trump wants to “make peace” by appeasing Putin and helping Ukraine to surrender and leaving Europe on its own. He doesn’t give a shit about Europe, that’s what “American first” means, this is not a good result for us as Europeans at all.

Edited 6 November 2024 by Sampson