Cooper - OUT

[Ric Flair]

2 minutes ago, GingerrrFox said:

Kasper Hjulmund would 100% manage us. He has knowledge of our Danish contingent and he would actually play progressive football. We don’t have to play how Enzo wanted us to play but bringing in a manager who will give them a good shape and patterns of play to improvise off then we will have a much better chance of staying up this season. 
 

https://www.coachesvoice.com/cv/kasper-hjulmand-denmark-nordsjaelland-tactics/

I'm sold

[Muzzy_no7]

5 minutes ago, GingerrrFox said:

Kasper Hjulmund would 100% manage us. He has knowledge of our Danish contingent and he would actually play progressive football. We don’t have to play how Enzo wanted us to play but bringing in a manager who will give them a good shape and patterns of play to improvise off then we will have a much better chance of staying up this season. 
 

https://www.coachesvoice.com/cv/kasper-hjulmand-denmark-nordsjaelland-tactics/

It would be such a good fit and no doubt a success but unfortunately Rudders and Suzehhh haven’t got a scooby doo who he is 

[The whole world smiles]

6 minutes ago, GingerrrFox said:

Kasper Hjulmund would 100% manage us. He has knowledge of our Danish contingent and he would actually play progressive football. We don’t have to play how Enzo wanted us to play but bringing in a manager who will give them a good shape and patterns of play to improvise off then we will have a much better chance of staying up this season. 
 

https://www.coachesvoice.com/cv/kasper-hjulmand-denmark-nordsjaelland-tactics/

Yeah. Googled him. Looks good on paper, your right he probably would come but it's a massive appointment if you sack cooper early you are probably stuck with the new man for the rest of  season whatever happens and this dude would be a huge gamble to keep us up looking at his club record.

 

Arguably We have done it the wrong way round they should have gone for the untested foreign manager like this guy in the summer then bought in the established Dean Smith/Steve cooper type if it went wrong.

[The whole world smiles]

20 minutes ago, lcfcsnow said:

I don't want any dinosaur manager, show some aspiration to be better than what we are or may as well not bother and stick with Cooper and let the inevitable happen.

Quite a long name... Who's he managed?

[Sunbury Fox]

1 hour ago, 5waller5 said:

Maresca?

Yes, now corrected!

[moseeds]

1 hour ago, The whole world smiles said:

With Rodgers and Enzo the fan base was divided between people who liked them (excluding the last season with Rodgers) and people who hated them. 

 

This time the fan base is divided between people who want to sack him now and people who want to wait a few games.

 

It shouldn't be a radical or controversial decision to not want commit the 2nd quickest sacking in history.

Nobody hated Enzo. There was grumbling sometimes about watching city trying to break down parked buses with patience, but that didn't translate into hate.

 

I don't think it's wise to sack Cooper before he's had a shot at some of the 'easier' ties but we shouldn't watch the failure unfold in real time again. Sometimes there has to be an element of ruthlessness. If this squad goes down it will not be coming back up again anytime soon. Hedged against the financial impact of relegation + EFL points reduction/fine + prolonged stay in the Championship means entering the record books becomes immaterial.

[winteriscoming]

7 hours ago, GingerrrFox said:

Kasper Hjulmund would 100% manage us. He has knowledge of our Danish contingent and he would actually play progressive football. We don’t have to play how Enzo wanted us to play but bringing in a manager who will give them a good shape and patterns of play to improvise off then we will have a much better chance of staying up this season. 
 

https://www.coachesvoice.com/cv/kasper-hjulmand-denmark-nordsjaelland-tactics/

Looks impressive. 
Imo I’d go for someone with a better track record domestically. Schmidt, Kovac or Garcia would be ahead of Hjulmand. 

[Pliskin]

8 hours ago, The whole world smiles said:

Yeah. Googled him. Looks good on paper, your right he probably would come but it's a massive appointment if you sack cooper early you are probably stuck with the new man for the rest of  season whatever happens and this dude would be a huge gamble to keep us up looking at his club record.

 

Arguably We have done it the wrong way round they should have gone for the untested foreign manager like this guy in the summer then bought in the established Dean Smith/Steve cooper type if it went wrong.

It’s gone wrong with Cooper 😂

[Smig123]

Unfortunately the board are not ruthless enough or big enough to admit a mistake. We all know cooper was a panic appointment and the longer they dither on whether to release him from his duties it smacks in the face of Rodgers all over Again when he should gave gone at an international break . From what I can gather they wanted Potter well if that's the case go get him before Southampton get rid of Russell 

[Lako42]

Makes me laugh how so many football fans are addicted and watch it all of the time but are actually completely clueless as to the tactical or technical detail of what they are watching. 

 

Not one of the Cooper in lot could give you a reason from a system / tactical point of view as to why they like him or his style. 

 

It's just general feelings and a weird acceptance of being shit. It's made even weirder by the fact that we have just had a year of incredibly focussed and shrewd tactical football. 

[ClaphamFox]

I think we need to be realistic about the timeframe. No newly-appointed manager of a newly-promoted team is going to get sacked after six games in which his team has been competitive in each one. If we were getting whacked every week he might have gone, but not with three draws and three narrow losses (I’m counting Arsenal as a narrow loss as we were level on 90mins). The question is whether he can turn our sporadic periods of looking decent into actual results. If he doesn’t do that within the next four games (and the signs aren’t encouraging), there will be enough of a pattern for the board to take action. 

Edited 3 October 2024 by ClaphamFox

[Happy Fox]

1 minute ago, ClaphamFox said:

I think we need to be realistic about the timeframe. No newly-appointed manager of a newly-promoted team is going to get sacked after six games in which his team has been competitive in each one. If we were getting whacked every week he might have gone, but not with three draws and three narrow losses (I’m counting Arsenal as a narrow loss as we were level on 90mins). The question is whether he can turn our sporadic periods of looking decent into actual results. If he doesn’t do that within the next four games, there will be enough of a pattern for the board to take action. 

 

Competitive in which department? 

[deep blue]

10 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

I think we need to be realistic about the timeframe. No newly-appointed manager of a newly-promoted team is going to get sacked after six games in which his team has been competitive in each one. If we were getting whacked every week he might have gone, but not with three draws and three narrow losses (I’m counting Arsenal as a narrow loss as we were level on 90mins). The question is whether he can turn our sporadic periods of looking decent into actual results. If he doesn’t do that within the next four games (and the signs aren’t encouraging), there will be enough of a pattern for the board to take action. 

Is this another of those badly written Prem League rules? Of course he should be sacked now if that's in the best interests of the club.

[Gazza3]

Spurs , villa,  Arsenal should have hammered us. Walsall should have beaten us. We were terrible against Fulham and Everton . All first half's bar Palace have been pathetic, Yet give him more time . Results are better than performance at the moment and our results are not great

[Lako42]

It's not possible to continue at our current XG rates without results significantly declining. 

 

Personally I think that starts on Saturday 

[deep blue]

8 hours ago, moseeds said:

Nobody hated Enzo. There was grumbling sometimes about watching city trying to break down parked buses with patience, but that didn't translate into hate.

 

I don't think it's wise to sack Cooper before he's had a shot at some of the 'easier' ties but we shouldn't watch the failure unfold in real time again. Sometimes there has to be an element of ruthlessness. If this squad goes down it will not be coming back up again anytime soon. Hedged against the financial impact of relegation + EFL points reduction/fine + prolonged stay in the Championship means entering the record books becomes immaterial.

Like Everton at home?

[The whole world smiles]

8 hours ago, moseeds said:

Nobody hated Enzo. There was grumbling sometimes about watching city trying to break down parked buses with patience, but that didn't translate into hate.

 

I don't think it's wise to sack Cooper before he's had a shot at some of the 'easier' ties but we shouldn't watch the failure unfold in real time again. Sometimes there has to be an element of ruthlessness. If this squad goes down it will not be coming back up again anytime soon. Hedged against the financial impact of relegation + EFL points reduction/fine + prolonged stay in the Championship means entering the record books becomes immaterial.

Didn't they?

 

On 12/04/2024 at 21:57, ousefox said:

He can **** off. ****ing shite.

 

Absolute embarrassment. Didn't think I could hate a manager as much as Brendan but this is getting close. At least he's a nicer bloke.

 

On 12/04/2024 at 21:59, Adster said:

Get the ****ing bald Pitbull **** out of the club NOW

 

learnt nothing.

 

On 12/04/2024 at 22:01, LestaAl said:

 

 

On 12/04/2024 at 22:01, trabuch said:

So many arrogant pricks in this side. And the manager is the most arrogant **** of them all.

 

[Pliskin]

3 minutes ago, Gazza3 said:

Spurs , villa,  Arsenal should have hammered us. Walsall should have beaten us. We were terrible against Fulham and Everton . All first half's bar Palace have been pathetic, Yet give him more time . Results are better than performance at the moment and our results are not great

Disagree with Villa. I thought they were pretty poor on the day, their two goals were a result of us making mistakes. Had we started the game more positively we may have got something out of it. But in the whole I agree with you! Results are papering over the cracks. 
 

I think Bournemouth will thrash us quite comfortably on Saturday, and it may well be the end for Cooper. 

[lcfcell]

19 minutes ago, Lako42 said:

Makes me laugh how so many football fans are addicted and watch it all of the time but are actually completely clueless as to the tactical or technical detail of what they are watching. 

 

Not one of the Cooper in lot could give you a reason from a system / tactical point of view as to why they like him or his style. 

 

It's just general feelings and a weird acceptance of being shit. It's made even weirder by the fact that we have just had a year of incredibly focussed and shrewd tactical football. 

For a club that has been so successful the last decade I really do find it bizarre we have so many fans with this outlook. 
 

I mean look at when Rodgers had clearly mentally checked out of Leicester and was taking us down but so many just didn’t seem to care.

[Chelmofox]

2 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

Disagree with Villa. I thought they were pretty poor on the day, their two goals were a result of us making mistakes. Had we started the game more positively we may have got something out of it. But in the whole I agree with you! Results are papering over the cracks. 
 

I think Bournemouth will thrash us quite comfortably on Saturday, and it may well be the end for Cooper. 

Nah. It will go to form and we will have an abhorrent first half but keep it down to losing 0-1. Then 2nd half we start competing and get an equaliser. Either we hold on or Bournemouth get a narrow win, but because the 2nd half is better Cooper stays put. The end will only come when the players properly down tools, and I don’t think we are there yet. 

[Pliskin]

7 minutes ago, Lako42 said:

It's not possible to continue at our current XG rates without results significantly declining. 

 

Personally I think that starts on Saturday 

I agree. I think we will see a collapse at the weekend. Bournemouth are devastating on the break, and I can see us putting in one of those performances that really end a managers career, like we saw with Puel, and then with Rodgers (the final, final, final time)….. but this time I think the hierarchy will act. 
 

The signs were are seeing are all pointing towards a collapse, rather than an improvement, we’re on the verge of a tonking either than a win in my opinion. It’s just painful to watch because a lot of people can see it coming, we will be in the bottom three by the end of this weekend. 

[TheGoldenGod]

1 minute ago, Chelmofox said:

Nah. It will go to form and we will have an abhorrent first half but keep it down to losing 0-1. Then 2nd half we start competing and get an equaliser. Either we hold on or Bournemouth get a narrow win, but because the 2nd half is better Cooper stays put. The end will only come when the players properly down tools, and I don’t think we are there yet. 

I've said this for ages and especially on this forum. The Cooper In Brigade are being fooled by a "fight" at the end of games as if that's good enough. Makes you feel better by the end of the game than you felt at the start....very very clever. And that's an incredibly dangerous place to be because the board will be content with this!

[winteriscoming]

Being competitive and not been thrashed yet has got us 1 win against Tranmere. 

[Muzzy_no7]

I too fear that Bournemouth will tear us a new one at the weekend. We’ll be lucky to draw. 

[ClaphamFox]

19 minutes ago, Happy Fox said:

 

Competitive in which department? 

In the not getting thrashed department. As I said, we've had three draws and three narrow losses. The only game we were expected to win was Everton and our first half performance in that game was a major red flag, but overall the board will probably look at our first six games and conclude that we've been competitive.

 

16 minutes ago, deep blue said:

Is this another of those badly written Prem League rules? Of course he should be sacked now if that's in the best interests of the club.

It's not a rule, just reality. You might think that Cooper should be sacked now and I wouldn't necessarily disagree, but it's highly unlikely that any board would sack a manager after the six games we've had so far this season. Managers only get sacked after six games if their team is being thrashed every week, and that's not happening to us. Wolves and Southampton have had much worse starts but O'Neil and Martin are still in place for now. If in a few weeks' time Cooper has shown he can't even get results against Bournemouth, Southampton, Forest and Ipswich, there will be enough evidence for the board to do something.

 

15 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

Disagree with Villa. I thought they were pretty poor on the day, their two goals were a result of us making mistakes. Had we started the game more positively we may have got something out of it. But in the whole I agree with you! Results are papering over the cracks. 
 

I think Bournemouth will thrash us quite comfortably on Saturday, and it may well be the end for Cooper. 

They won't. There is nothing in our performances so far this season to suggest that a team like Bournemouth will 'thrash' us. They might beat us by the odd goal or we might even scrape a draw. Either of these outcomes will provide further proof that our pattern of drawing or narrowly losing games isn't just an early-season period of adjustment to the PL, but rather something fundamental to the way Cooper sets us up. If that continues, it really will be the end for Cooper.