Cooper - OUT

[LCFCJohn]

57 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Got me thinking, how many times have we been desperate to sack a manager early in their tenure (within the first year)  and it turn out to be warranted?

Must be quite a while?

We have had a few managers in recent years who have gotten off to really good starts (Ranieri, Rodgers and Pearson) and a couple of short terms in Shakey and Smith. 
 

Going back as far as Sven, I can only really think of Puel and now Cooper that have been met with instant vitriol and people demanding them to be sacked as soon as they have come through the door. Ranieri wasn’t initially popular but quickly change people’s minds.

 

Then you have when fans turn on the manager regardless of if they are new (when the first of us started to want Rodgers gone).

 

I would say that new or not, when fans want the manager gone, it doesn’t often turn around for them. It is usually just about the wait….

[Dahnsouff]

16 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

We have had a few managers in recent years who have gotten off to really good starts (Ranieri, Rodgers and Pearson) and a couple of short terms in Shakey and Smith. 
 

Going back as far as Sven, I can only really think of Puel and now Cooper that have been met with instant vitriol and people demanding them to be sacked as soon as they have come through the door. Ranieri wasn’t initially popular but quickly change people’s minds.

 

Then you have when fans turn on the manager regardless of if they are new (when the first of us started to want Rodgers gone).

 

I would say that new or not, when fans want the manager gone, it doesn’t often turn around for them. It is usually just about the wait….

I was trying to see if the board have been right in their appointments despite fans initial reservations, and the only entry there that seems relevant is Ranieri, but that was so left field I am not sure it counts!

[Trav Le Bleu]

Has he gone yet?

[Trav Le Bleu]

32 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

 

I would say that new or not, when fans want the manager gone, it doesn’t often turn around for them. It is usually just about the wait….

Heck of a wait for Martin O'Neill.

[LCFCJohn]

24 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Heck of a wait for Martin O'Neill.

Yeah I’m aware of MON. To be fair, he fell just before my time (I was initially taken down in the Micky Adams promotion season). So yeah, more about the last 15 years or so I was looking at.

[LCFCJohn]

37 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

I was trying to see if the board have been right in their appointments despite fans initial reservations, and the only entry there that seems relevant is Ranieri, but that was so left field I am not sure it counts!

Agreed. Normally either good appointments that do well then run their course or unpopular and do nothing to change that.

[Trav Le Bleu]

5 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

Yeah I’m aware of MON. To be fair, he fell just before my time (I was initially taken down in the Micky Adams promotion season). So yeah, more about the last 15 years or so I was looking at.

Yeah. I was thinking about this, it was about this many games in that things started to pull around.

[FrankieADZ]

1 hour ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Has he gone yet?

sadly no

[kristianity77]

The football style needs to change that much is plain to see but so long as we don’t drop in to the bottom 3 then you can’t argue that Cooper isn’t doing a half decent job regardless of how grim a watch it is. A fifth of the season in roughly, and we haven’t been in there at all so you just have to carry on and hope for the best

 

if Cooper sees the season out and finishes 17th on goal difference then I’ll doth my cap to the bloke for what he did and then hope we look elsewhere to take the next steps forward

Edited 9 October 2024 by kristianity77

[NewquayFox]

23 hours ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

 

 

Someone on here, who I won’t name drop, messaged me about some relevant info.
 

They were at the NFL at the weekend in London and ended up in a bar outside the stadium with someone who’s played every league game so far this season, again I won’t name drop. 

 

He was a bit drunk nothing major, really really lovely guy, asked him about cooper said all the things many of us have said on the forum and he tried his best not to say anything, kept giving me a "look" and then eventually he said "all the players think we understand football more than him, he's a nice guy but none of us respect him as a manager"

 

Asked him about ricardo and he said "no idea how he’s not playing, he's still one of the best players at the club"

 

Also off topic I asked about Rudkin and he said "scapegoat, the players love him" though I suspect they would given he just gives them big money etc.

 

He was extremely confident we would stay up, said the team are far better than cooper is having us play, he doesn't think cooper will last long, indicated all the players don't think he's very good.

 

Dont shoot the messenger. 
 

Some of this explains the body language of the players, arguing amongst themselves and shouting at the bench. 
 

It would also add up with the info about Winks and Vardy challenging the manager. Of course he can’t drop Vardy else he would lose more fans but Winks? Yeah he could get away with that now as 75% of Winks’ game leans towards a side that have more possession. 

One of my lads sent me this and I posted it on Bentleys Roof (never again) and got ridiculed, I believe it’s a great post and true reflection of how the players & fans feel about Cooper and agree that it could have been a ‘beer fuelled’ Winks after getting dropped for the Brighton game the day before as he had played every game prior to that, just my opinion folks and as Muzzy said in his OP ‘don’t shoot the messenger’ unfortunately some of the Bentleys Roof chaps enjoy doing that… 

[Nolucklcfc]

As long as the players don’t down tools because they want him gone … we need points regardless of what people think of him. 

[Muzzy_no7]

36 minutes ago, NewquayFox said:

One of my lads sent me this and I posted it on Bentleys Roof (never again) and got ridiculed, I believe it’s a great post and true reflection of how the players & fans feel about Cooper and agree that it could have been a ‘beer fuelled’ Winks after getting dropped for the Brighton game the day before as he had played every game prior to that, just my opinion folks and as Muzzy said in his OP ‘don’t shoot the messenger’ unfortunately some of the Bentleys Roof chaps enjoy doing that… 

It just adds up with everything else we know and have seen. 

[Trav Le Bleu]

Regarding @Muzzy_no7's not name dropping post...

 

It's not uncommon for people to think that everyone thinks the same as they do, when actually they don't, so one player saying "everyone thinks this" doesn't necessarily make it true (or false).

 

You just have to look on this forum to see how many posters are baffled that others can't see the obvious truth (ie, their own opinion).

 

I think this is especially true of disaffected people. We like to reinforce our grievances by believing that everyone agrees with us.

 

I'm not poo pooing the post, just adding a little salt.

Edited 9 October 2024 by Trav Le Bleu

[Wymsey]

19 hours ago, Sunbury Fox said:

Could be Mads. Speaks very good English, seems like a nice chap and his comments after the Arsenal game were very interesting. Unlike JJ, who ludicrously talked of how we had gone "toe to toe" with Arsenal, Mads focused on the fact that he should not be facing over 35 shots in any game............

Reckon it's either Skipp or Winks, considering the London connection.

[Nolucklcfc]

14 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

Reckon it's either Skipp or Winks, considering the London connection.

No chance it’s Skipp he’s just been brought in by him. It’ll be winks probably

[Stadt]

There's 96 teams in Europe's top 5 leagues, we're...

 

94th for xG

87th for xGA

94th for xGD

95th for shots

85th for shots on target 

 

3rd most shots against 

6th most shots on target against 

4th shortest shot distance conceded (this is incredibly alarming given the volume)

 

Dead last for corners as well and the German clubs have only played 6 games instead of 7.

 

We're 7th for xG over-performance per 90 though so we've been shit AND lucky still .

 

Get this clown out 

 

 

[ClaphamFox]

1 minute ago, Nolucklcfc said:

No chance it’s Skipp he’s just been brought in by him. It’ll be winks probably

Neither Skipp nor Winks have played every league game this season. 

[SecretPro]

20 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Neither Skipp nor Winks have played every league game this season. 

It was...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rebekah Vardy.

[Finnegan]

Vards, Wout, Wilf, JJ, VK, Mads have started every league game. 

 

Fatawu and Mavididi have played in every game. 

 

My money is on the story being completely made up. But if it isn't, it's probably Faes, JJ or Vardy. 

 

Just because JJ is playing over Ricardo it doesn't necessarily mean he wouldn't say nice things about him, especially given they both played in a lot of games last year together and JJ quite possibly considers himself a better LB than VK. 

[SouthStandUpperTier]

29 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Neither Skipp nor Winks have played every league game this season. 

8 players have played in every league game so far - Faes, Hermansen, Justin, Kristiansen, Ndidi, Vardy, Mavididi and Fatawu (although Mav and Fats have not started every game).

 

It can't be Faes, Hermansen, Kristiansen, Ndidi or Fatawu as they wouldn't be getting tanked up at an NFL game when they should have already left to join their national teams for international duty.

 

So that leaves just JJ, Vardy and Mavididi.

 

Edited 9 October 2024 by SouthStandUpperTier

[ClaphamFox]

23 minutes ago, Stadt said:

There's 96 teams in Europe's top 5 leagues, we're...

 

94th for xG

87th for xGA

94th for xGD

95th for shots

85th for shots on target 

 

3rd most shots against 

6th most shots on target against 

4th shortest shot distance conceded (this is incredibly alarming given the volume)

 

Dead last for corners as well and the German clubs have only played 6 games instead of 7.

 

We're 7th for xG over-performance per 90 though so we've been shit AND lucky still .

 

Get this clown out 

 

 

And yet 24 of those 96 teams have either equal or less points than us. What's going on? How can this possibly be happening?! This other-worldly phenomenon of teams' results not conforming with their xG stats needs to be investigated as a matter of urgency. Maybe we should try to persuade David Duchovny and Gillian Anderson to reunite for a new TV series called The xG Files...

[Foxmeister]

3 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Yeah. I was thinking about this, it was about this many games in that things started to pull around.

MON took a fair bit longer, he won 1 of his first 13, and in a lower league, from memory

[Rusko187]

24 minutes ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

8 players have played in every league game so far - Faes, Hermansen, Justin, Kristiansen, Ndidi, Vardy, Mavididi and Fatawu (although Mav and Fats have not started every game).

 

It can't be Faes, Hermansen, Kristiansen, Ndidi or Fatawu as they wouldn't be getting tanked up at an NFL game when they should have already left to join their national teams for international duty.

 

So that leaves just JJ, Vardy and Mavididi.

 

Wasn't Vardy in London over the weekend?

[SouthStandUpperTier]

4 minutes ago, Rusko187 said:

Wasn't Vardy in London over the weekend?

🤷‍♂️

[Rusko187]

3 minutes ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

🤷‍♂️

Sure I saw about some Arsenal hospitality that Piers Morgan done for them this weekend.