Cooper - OUT

[Les-TA-Jon]

1 hour ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

If he does that, as much I dont think he is the right choice, there is no need to sack him. If he flukes it, let it be. 

 

To be honest, I think that is what the board hopes will happen. i also think that is what the board hoped would happen under Rodgers - get to the summer, let's have some time. It highlights the lack of foresight in our board but we have live with that. They need time to act rather than being decisive. 

Absolutely this. Think the board hoped they could stay up and avoid the huge cost of sacking Rodgers. Given we only went down by 2 points, it was the 'right' decision. The most costly thing they probably did that season was sacking Rodgers and not having a replacement lined up straight away. Given we chucked away 6 stupid points in the Villa and Bournemouth games before Smith was appointed. I also guess, on that basis, there's a reasonable case to make that we might have actually stayed up, had Rodgers stayed in charge, given we were just one result away from staying up. 

Edited 5 November 2024 by Les-TA-Jon

[winteriscoming]

Niko Kovac and Rudi Garcia rumored to be in the running for the Rennes job if they get rid of Julien Stéphan this weekend. Looks like Conceicao is also in the running. 
Not sure if we should look at Stéphan. He’s not had a great time since returning there.

 

 
 

[Kp1984]

Has he gone yet? 

[Happy Fox]

https://sports.yahoo.com/roberto-mancini-open-joining-roma-163800813.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

 

We can only dream, this is the type of appointment the board should go for, if they are ambitious..

[ClaphamFox]

2 hours ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

Absolutely this. Think the board hoped they could stay up and avoid the huge cost of sacking Rodgers. Given we only went down by 2 points, it was the 'right' decision. The most costly thing they probably did that season was sacking Rodgers and not having a replacement lined up straight away. Given we chucked away 6 stupid points in the Villa and Bournemouth games before Smith was appointed. I also guess, on that basis, there's a reasonable case to make that we might have actually stayed up, had Rodgers stayed in charge, given we were just one result away from staying up. 

Dean Smith comfortably improved our points-per-game record. The only way Rodgers would have kept us up would have been for the team to have suddenly improved, and there was no sign of that happening when he was sacked - in fact, we seemed in freefall at the time. 

Edited 5 November 2024 by ClaphamFox

[Pliskin]

2 hours ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

Absolutely this. Think the board hoped they could stay up and avoid the huge cost of sacking Rodgers. Given we only went down by 2 points, it was the 'right' decision. The most costly thing they probably did that season was sacking Rodgers and not having a replacement lined up straight away. Given we chucked away 6 stupid points in the Villa and Bournemouth games before Smith was appointed. I also guess, on that basis, there's a reasonable case to make that we might have actually stayed up, had Rodgers stayed in charge, given we were just one result away from staying up. 

This wasn’t necessarily the case. Rodgers threw the flag in after the Crystal Palace game and it was a mutual agreement…. 

[don_danbury]

40 minutes ago, Kp1984 said:

Has he gone yet? 

yeah man

[Les-TA-Jon]

25 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

This wasn’t necessarily the case. Rodgers threw the flag in after the Crystal Palace game and it was a mutual agreement…. 

Are we really saying Rodgers didn't get a payout when he left? 

[jammie82uk]

4 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

Are we really saying Rodgers didn't get a payout when he left? 

Mutual agreement means he gets paid 

[Mickyblueeyes]

37 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

This wasn’t necessarily the case. Rodgers threw the flag in after the Crystal Palace game and it was a mutual agreement…. 

Going from 8th to relegation fodder and NOT having a replacement lined up is further proof that as a board and ownership, we’ve gone from one of the best in Vichai to the worst in the league. 
 

They have no clue who is out there even today and I could guarantee that. 

[Pliskin]

18 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

Are we really saying Rodgers didn't get a payout when he left? 

He obviously did, correct me if I’m wrong, but I vaguely recall Percy stating in an article that Rodgers and the club had a conversation about him going after the palace game, and it was more of a mutual agreement than a ‘sacking’? Essentially Rodgers told the board he didn’t fancy it anymore…..

Edited 5 November 2024 by Pliskin

[The Doctor]

departed by mutual agreement has always meant "we've sacked him but agreed to let him save face"

[winteriscoming]

22 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

He obviously did, correct me if I’m wrong, but I vaguely recall Percy stating in an article that Rodgers and the club had a conversation about him going after the palace game, and it was more of a mutual agreement than a ‘sacking’? Essentially Rodgers told the board he didn’t fancy it anymore…..

Rodgers didn’t fancy it from the start of that season. Kept moaning about lack of transfers and wanted the sack to get his decent pay out. 

 

 

 

[RoboFox]

8 minutes ago, winteriscoming said:

Rodgers didn’t fancy it from the start of that season. Kept moaning about lack of transfers and wanted the sack to get his decent pay out. 

 

 

 

This. 

 

Rodgers sabotaged the season to get his golden send off knowing that his reputation would remain intact with the media and average football fan as a result of the FA Cup win and our two 5th place finishes. 

 

His team selections. Turning on the fans. Blaming the heirarchy publicly. The guy was desperate for the sack and our soft as shit board didn't even give him the ignominy he deserved by agreeing to some "mutual consent" bollocks. 

 

Edited 5 November 2024 by RoboFox

[Pliskin]

33 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Going from 8th to relegation fodder and NOT having a replacement lined up is further proof that as a board and ownership, we’ve gone from one of the best in Vichai to the worst in the league. 
 

They have no clue who is out there even today and I could guarantee that. 

I absolutely agree in terms of them not having a proper long term plan. They seem to get transfixed on one target. Potter has been pursued twice as far as we are aware, and both times has said no essentially. Generally it’s not been that bad under KP, but we need Top along with the rest of the board to show some forward thinking……… 

[Happy Fox]

1 minute ago, Pliskin said:

I absolutely agree in terms of them not having a proper long term plan. They seem to get transfixed on one target. Potter has been pursued twice as far as we are aware, and both times has said no essentially. Generally it’s not been that bad under KP, but we need Top along with the rest of the board to show some forward thinking……… 

 

Going for a manager that is nigh on day not the same playing style as Enzo doesn't show forward thinking or planning for that matter, the contrast in playing style is quiet stark!

[Mickyblueeyes]

Just now, Pliskin said:

I absolutely agree in terms of them not having a proper long term plan. They seem to get transfixed on one target. Potter has been pursued twice as far as we are aware, and both times has said no essentially. Generally it’s not been that bad under KP, but we need Top along with the rest of the board to show some forward thinking……… 

The only thing I disagree with is combining Top and Vichai's time. I am quite grumpy when it comes to the ownership and I accept that but I would struggle to point to another ownership on purely football terms (forget the outside stuff and the madness that goes with some of them) who would be ranked below ours in this league. Perhaps Everton ? However, I dont think Everton would want ours. 

[pmcla26]

4 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

The only thing I disagree with is combining Top and Vichai's time. I am quite grumpy when it comes to the ownership and I accept that but I would struggle to point to another ownership on purely football terms (forget the outside stuff and the madness that goes with some of them) who would be ranked below ours in this league. Perhaps Everton ? However, I dont think Everton would want ours. 

Southampton and Wolves haven't been ran well in recent years. 

 

Think King Power's rep is still high among neutrals. Be interesting to see a fan poll of satisfaction with their club's owners across the league. 

Edited 5 November 2024 by pmcla26

[Gamble92]

22 hours ago, winteriscoming said:

It does help having a season in league 1. 

Yeah cos Forest, Sheffield Wednesday and Leeds found it a stroll in the park didn't they?

[winteriscoming]

12 minutes ago, Gamble92 said:

Yeah cos Forest, Sheffield Wednesday and Leeds found it a stroll in the park didn't they?

So what if they did. 
All I’m saying is his win rate will always help that he had that season in league 1. When we cruised to the title. 
His pl win rate is I think under 30% so it’s helpful having that season in league 1. 
Not criticizing what he did for us but you have to acknowledge both. 

[Guppys Love Child]

Just revisited the fixtures list and to quote the Black Eyed Peas 'I have a feeling'  Cooper may just hang himself.

 

We have run of 6 very tough games, and if using our recent less than stella performances against arguably the weakest teams in the league as a yardstick (because the incompetent clown can't and won't change, and he's not suddenly going to have a complete change of direction) I really do struggle to see where even a point from a sneaky draw is coming from. 

People  are clinging onto some hope that Man U looked ropey against our "B" team in the cup, but due to Cooper being clueless and out of his depth they still put 5 past us. But its the following fixtures that truly scare me.

 

So for my sanity, I'm going to suck up the pain, and whilst I'll feel sick with the sh1t results and for a spell expect "nil points" I'll console myself that once we hit bottom 3 the board will get an itchy trigger finger and sack the bozo. As I don't think they will want a repeat of the Rodgers debacle..

 

 

[Sly]

9 hours ago, sharpylcfc said:

Even Peter Taylor has a better win percentage and we know how that turned out 

In fairness, as was rightly pointed out, I’d forgotten Bassett existed. His win % was nothing short of horrendous. 
 

Taylor’s time in charge was brilliant for 9 months. That Wycombe game was like a sucker punch and we never actually recovered from it. 

[Sly]

6 hours ago, ClaphamFox said:

Dean Smith comfortably improved our points-per-game record. The only way Rodgers would have kept us up would have been for the team to have suddenly improved, and there was no sign of that happening when he was sacked - in fact, we seemed in freefall at the time. 

Dean Smith would have kept us up if he’d been given more time. I just fear we’ll do the same thing again with Cooper. 

[sharpylcfc]

7 minutes ago, Sly said:

In fairness, as was rightly pointed out, I’d forgotten Bassett existed. His win % was nothing short of horrendous. 
 

Taylor’s time in charge was brilliant for 9 months. That Wycombe game was like a sucker punch and we never actually recovered from it. 

I'd also forgot Bassett existed so you're not alone there. You forget after Taylor how bad the managers we had were until Pearson came along only one really any good was Adams especially under the financial difficulties at the time. Craig Levein being in charge for only 2 years it felt about 10 years at the time!

[winteriscoming]

5 minutes ago, Sly said:

Dean Smith would have kept us up if he’d been given more time. I just fear we’ll do the same thing again with Cooper. 

I’m not so sure. His win rate is very similar to Coopers. Correct me if I’m wrong but I think Smith only won 2 games his second and last game. I just don’t think Smith would have got enough wins to keep us up.