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[Robo61]

11 minutes ago, It'sblueupnorth said:

Because he’s a 2nd generation Rwandan immigrant? He probably doesn’t have Rwandan citizenship because his father was wanted for genocide there…

Funny how we expect first generation immigrants to integrate,  yet don't consider their offspring to be citizens here in the UK.  We really are a nation of hypocrites

[Dr The Singh]

3 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Sadly, that may well not be a universal opinion.

This is what worries me, alot of far right, even centre right are using language such as '2nd generation X'.   The X and whatever generation has no relevance, the kid no matter how bad, he was born here, is a British citizen, maybe considers himself Welsh, yet the far right want to call him a foreigner.

 

The narrative is very disturbing

[leicsmac]

7 minutes ago, bovril said:

 

so maybe just take a day off from this stuff

If the people Singhy refers to below don't take one, I'm not sure I can. Or should.

 

1 minute ago, Dr The Singh said:

This is what worries me, alot of far right, even centre right are using language such as '2nd generation X'.   The X and whatever generation has no relevance, the kid no matter how bad, he was born here, is a British citizen, maybe considers himself Welsh, yet the far right want to call him a foreigner.

 

The narrative is very disturbing

Extraordinarily disturbing, because the motive of division and objective of creating ethnostates is obvious.

[PAULCFC]

12 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

Should be pointed out to him he will be offered food but will not be removed to hospital if he refuses. 

The Human Wrights brigade would have a field day with that!.......And i know it's not right!

[Guest Bilo]

The first thing you need to remember is that the far-right get off on this shit.

 

They salivate with joy at the thought of grooming gangs because 'Muslims bad.' They punch the air with glee when they bring up Lee Rigby against his family's wishes for the same reason.

 

They thought it was their birthday when they thought Rudakubana was an asylum seeker from a small boat, delighted in the thought that he was an Islamic convert and are now drooling over the horrific injuries those poor girls endured and demanding they be described in pornographic detail, stab wound by stab wound. If the decent thing is done and they are ignored, as they know full well will be the case? Cover-up! Labour whitewash! Immigrants bad! 

 

Let's not pretend the far-right care about the victims of grooming gangs, Lee Rigby or these three innocent little girls. They don't. They care about what these tragedies can do for their agenda. They want more of them. 

 

 

[RowlattsFox]

Has there been any indication why he targeted that particular location? 

Can't understand how even lunatics like him can target something like that. Could've attacked anything that day. 

 

It's inevitable he'll either do himself in or someone will get to him but that feels to easy. Deserves a long and torturous death with an immense amount suffering. 

[Foxdiamond]

7 minutes ago, PAULCFC said:

The Human Wrights brigade would have a field day with that!.......And i know it's not right!

I know. Strange that someone can turn down treatment that may save them but when somebody refuses food expect that what is basically force feeding 

[The Horse's Mouth]

27 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

I'm 1st generation, so does that mean I'm not English, British?

 

My.kids also??

 

How many generations do you have to be to be British?

It’s a tricky question to answer, you’re civically British and from my understanding you’ve integrated and adopted the culture to be accepted. But in this case specifically , I wouldn’t consider this man British, the only thing that makes him that is his passport.

[It'sblueupnorth]

7 minutes ago, Bilo said:

The first thing you need to remember is that the far-right get off on this shit.

 

They salivate with joy at the thought of grooming gangs because 'Muslims bad.' They punch the air with glee when they bring up Lee Rigby against his family's wishes for the same reason.

 

They thought it was their birthday when they thought Rudakubana was an asylum seeker from a small boat, delighted in the thought that he was an Islamic convert and are now drooling over the horrific injuries those poor girls endured and demanding they be described in pornographic detail, stab wound by stab wound. If the decent thing is done and they are ignored, as they know full well will be the case? Cover-up! Labour whitewash! Immigrants bad! 

 

Let's not pretend the far-right care about the victims of grooming gangs, Lee Rigby or these three innocent little girls. They don't. They care about what these tragedies can do for their agenda. They want more of them. 

 

 

https://www.merseyside.police.uk/news/merseyside/news/2025/january-2025/statements-from-merseyside-police-counter-terrorism-policing-and-lancashire-child-safeguarding-partnership/

 

You’re beyond help, facts are all there. But carry on blaming the ‘far right’ for their ‘agenda’, what does the far right have to do with this? 

[HighPeakFox]

2 minutes ago, It'sblueupnorth said:

https://www.merseyside.police.uk/news/merseyside/news/2025/january-2025/statements-from-merseyside-police-counter-terrorism-policing-and-lancashire-child-safeguarding-partnership/

 

You’re beyond help, facts are all there. But carry on blaming the ‘far right’ for their ‘agenda’, what does the far right have to do with this? 

You've been bamboozled. 

[Guest Bilo]

5 minutes ago, It'sblueupnorth said:

https://www.merseyside.police.uk/news/merseyside/news/2025/january-2025/statements-from-merseyside-police-counter-terrorism-policing-and-lancashire-child-safeguarding-partnership/

 

You’re beyond help, facts are all there. But carry on blaming the ‘far right’ for their ‘agenda’, what does the far right have to do with this? 

 

You've been lied to. You probably don't even know.

 

I pity you and encourage you to find out for yourself. 

[leicsmac]

5 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

It’s a tricky question to answer, you’re civically British and from my understanding you’ve integrated and adopted the culture to be accepted. But in this case specifically , I wouldn’t consider this man British, the only thing that makes him that is his passport.

I'm not sure that "British" (clearly still a topic up for debate, that) people have some higher function that stops them engaging in evil mindless violence.

 

And to forestall an obvious response, the inference here is likewise obvious.

[leicsmac]

NB. Not sure how much longer much of this discussion will last tbh.

[It'sblueupnorth]

1 minute ago, Bilo said:

 

You've been lied to. You probably don't even know.

 

I pity you and encourage you to find out for yourself. 

Where do you advise I find it out for myself then, have you any links or books or am I suppose to be indoctrinated like yourself to believe that it’s actually the ‘far rights’ issue?

[HighPeakFox]

1 minute ago, It'sblueupnorth said:

Where do you advise I find it out for myself then, have you any links or books or am I suppose to be indoctrinated like yourself to believe that it’s actually the ‘far rights’ issue?

Perhaps seek news sources that don't just confirm your biases. You can start with Byline Times. 

[Guest Bilo]

3 minutes ago, It'sblueupnorth said:

Where do you advise I find it out for myself then, have you any links or books or am I suppose to be indoctrinated like yourself to believe that it’s actually the ‘far rights’ issue?

Perhaps step off X for a bit and find alternative news sources to GB News and the Express.

[leicsmac]

5 minutes ago, It'sblueupnorth said:

Where do you advise I find it out for myself then, have you any links or books or am I suppose to be indoctrinated like yourself to believe that it’s actually the ‘far rights’ issue?

If you're looking for truly neutral reportage, Reuters and Associated Press. It's rather dry, but they give just the facts, no spin.

[The Horse's Mouth]

12 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

I'm not sure that "British" (clearly still a topic up for debate, that) people have some higher function that stops them engaging in evil mindless violence.

 

And to forestall an obvious response, the inference here is likewise obvious.

It depends how you look at it, if you feel like your whole national identity is purely where you’re born id disagree with that personally. And even for say a second generation immigrant who’s perfectly a law abiding citizen as well, that part of their bloodline and where they’ve been will still be strong to their identity and mostly like family culture as well than where they were born. Having been in Aus for a few year now, I have noticed a lot of people would consider where their family originate from  first over being Australian as their civic identity 

tbh though i don’t think it is worth bringing up in this case anyway unless you’re looking to stoke pure racial tension. There’s a potential question around if the family should’ve been brought over and I’ve see a few conflicting reports on that, but I put in the same bracket as people calling him the Amazon killer. isn’t the issue at hand that we’re dealing with 

 

Edited 23 January 2025 by The Horse's Mouth

[Tuna]

10 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

NB. Not sure how much longer much of this discussion will last tbh.

Posts already being deleted

[Foxdiamond]

31 minutes ago, RowlattsFox said:

Has there been any indication why he targeted that particular location? 

Can't understand how even lunatics like him can target something like that. Could've attacked anything that day. 

 

It's inevitable he'll either do himself in or someone will get to him but that feels to easy. Deserves a long and torturous death with an immense amount suffering. 

Not sure we will ever understand or for him to explain. Probably saw the event advertised and knew it was a soft target without chance of being challenged.

[bovril]

53 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

I'm 1st generation, so does that mean I'm not English, British?

 

My.kids also??

 

How many generations do you have to be to be British?

We've done all this before but if you're first gen, for me at least, you're a British citizen but not English. Same as my partner who recently got citizenship.

 

However if you really want to be English then whatever, more power to you, come join us, we're the best.

Edited 23 January 2025 by bovril

[leicsmac]

7 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

It depends how you look at it, if you feel like your whole national identity is purely where you’re born id disagree with that personally. And even for say a second generation immigrant who’s perfectly a law abiding citizen as well, that part of their bloodline and where they’ve been will still be strong to their identity and mostly like family culture as well than where they were born. Having been in Aus for a few year now, I have noticed a lot of people would consider where their family originate from  first over being Australian as their civic identity 

tbh though i don’t think it is worth bringing up in this case anyway unless you’re looking to stoke pure racial tension. There’s a potential question around if the family should’ve been brought over and I’ve see a few conflicting reports on that, but I put in the same bracket as people calling him the Amazon killer. isn’t the issue at hand that we’re dealing with 

 

WRT the first paragraph legal words supercede feelings in this case for me. But that's thorny ground.

 

Totally agree with the second paragraph.

[The Horse's Mouth]

In other cheery news, 4 dead in a supermarket another mass stabbing in London 

[Guest Bilo]

The far-right are gutted because the real issues here don't suit them. It wasn't Islamism, he wasn't an illegal immigrant and he wasn't motivated by sexual exploitation. 

 

The issues at play were failures in Prevent, precisely because he doesn't have an ideology on which far too much emphasis was placed, failures in CAMHS, failures in safeguarding and policing. 

[Trav Le Bleu]

1 hour ago, Dr The Singh said:

I'm 1st generation, so does that mean I'm not English, British?

 

My.kids also??

 

How many generations do you have to be to be British?

69 dude