Premier League 2024/25

[Finnegan]

12 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

I think Leeds pull the trigger on Farke quite quickly and will likely make a good appointment. If any scrape through - its them.

 

If Leeds do that then I want Rudkin to be literally waiting on Daniel Farke's doorstep when he gets home with his p45. 

 

Think the criticism he gets is quite over the top and his reputation for failure in the Prem is a bit harsh. Norwich aren't exactly renowned for splashing the cash following promotion. 

 

His Leeds side were entertaining to watch and I actually think he'd comfortably keep them up if he stays, especially with a bit of Red Bull assistance to their recruitment both in terms of finances and footballing intelligence / philosophy. 

 

Think their high energy, high work rate pressing would be way more effective at staying in the Premier League than anything Leicester, Ipswich or Soton offered this term. 

 

Obviously if Leeds are getting a cash injection from RB and they think they can find a genuine upgrade on Farke then fair enough but if it's stylistic or based entirely on his reputation at Norwich then I think it's really premature if they get rid. 

 

I'd take Farke over 99% of the realistic names being touted for our job at the moment to be quite honest. That's not me saying he'd be my dream hire but given the reasonably limited imagination of our owners then we probably need to be realistic about who we'd wind up with. 

 

[Finnegan]

4 minutes ago, AjcW said:

his laughy jokey defending a rapist stance. 

 

If Partey really has done what the world assumes he's done then keeping him around and playing is a decision Arsenal Football Club are clearly making way, way above the Head Coach's paygrade and I imagine anyone in the job would be forced to sit there and justify it as the face of the club to be quite honest. 

 

5 minutes ago, AjcW said:

"we're the best, no one has been better" etc etc when the tables/results show exact opposite? 

 

That stuff is just how a coach chooses to handle the media for the benefit of their squad. It's almost certainly a better approach than throwing your own players under the bus publicly and the results seem to show that whatever approach he's taking with squad management it's obviously working for Arsenal? 

 

Funny, was watching that Warnock - Pep interview Sky did a few days ago and whilst they might have very different styles of football, they were both agreeing that one of the corner stones of good man management was not selling our your own players in public. 

 

I highly doubt Arteta, in the privacy of their dressing room, is always that complimentary. 

 

[AKCJ]

22 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

If Arsenal had any sense they'd sack the manager that's finally stopped them being a laughing stock, got them back up the table, managed two second place finishes in a row and had them in a Champions League semi final? 

 

I can't get my head around the criticism of Arteta, he's done really well there. Jurgen Klopp is celebrated as one of the best managers of his generation but he consistently "failed" to catch a Pep Man City side. There's just a finite amount you can do to best Man City across a 38 game league season, short of them imploding, isn't there?

 

And is anyone going to say with a straight face that they think Arsenal have a squad as good as Liverpool or Man City's or the resources to properly close the gap? 

 

Think he's well and truly delivering par, frankly. Any Arsenal fan that thinks they should have been in a title race this year is a bit delusional and has massively under estimated Liverpool and Slot. 

 

If Klopp had been as miserable and played the same boring style as Arteta then the wider football public would have wanted him to be sacked too. Goes beyond results.

 

Arsenal fans are probably happy with the incremental improvements each yeah but I think next season is very important for him. He's put the groundwork in and next season he has to deliver. Liverpool have a very old squad, Man City are in rebuild, Chelsea are a bit of a shambles... it's all there for Arsenal to win it. I think they should start the season as favourites.

 

I think Arsenal need to accept he's not the man for the job if they can't win a trophy next season. It's a bit like Spurs under Pochettino. 

[Stadt]

I’m coming around to the idea Arteta has taken Arsenal as far as he can, he’s a talented manager but he’s essentially handpicked a squad that doesn’t score enough - then bemoans the lack of goals.

 

He’s complaining about not having a striker but he almost needlessly signed Caliafiori (sp) and Merino, £70-80m that could have bought a good forward.

 

It’s not as if Zubamemdi is what they’re missing.

[Bert]

6 minutes ago, Stadt said:

I’m coming around to the idea Arteta has taken Arsenal as far as he can, he’s a talented manager but he’s essentially handpicked a squad that doesn’t score enough - then bemoans the lack of goals.

 

He’s complaining about not having a striker but he almost needlessly signed Caliafiori (sp) and Merino, £70-80m that could have bought a good forward.

 

It’s not as if Zubamemdi is what they’re missing.

I think Zubamendi is a Partey replacement maybe? 
 

Arsenal have a proven track record for keeping managers too long. Arteta for me is ok, but he’s very much an excuse manager and will rarely admit he’s in the wrong or the other team was better. I think another problem is centre forwards at the minute are at a massive premium. All the elite ones are at top level clubs. I wonder if they might try for Gyokeres. 

[Bert]

35 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Bournemouth seem to have a fairly firm  recruitment strategy. Wouldn't surprise me if they've already got replacements lined up for a few players. 

 

 

The thing with this is, because of the model they’re working under you’re more than likely right. Again very similar to us where we find the gems get a few good seasons out of them and sell them on massively. Just got a new training ground, nice part of the country, premier league football. Attractive for anyone unknown in the world of football. 

[Stadt]

10 minutes ago, Bert said:

I think Zubamendi is a Partey replacement maybe? 
 

Arsenal have a proven track record for keeping managers too long. Arteta for me is ok, but he’s very much an excuse manager and will rarely admit he’s in the wrong or the other team was better. I think another problem is centre forwards at the minute are at a massive premium. All the elite ones are at top level clubs. I wonder if they might try for Gyokeres. 

Yeah he will be, but it was more that they keep signing players in non-priority positions.

 

Osimhen is probably available for £50m or so. He might not be perfect but it's worth it at that price rather than jumping up to probably £100m for Gyokeres.

[Lambert09]

2 hours ago, AjcW said:

Are Bournemouth completely ****ed or do we think they'll have another incredible transfer window?

Huijsen (gone) and Kirkez (as good as gone), basically 80% of what has made them perform above expectations this season.

If losing solanke and replacing him with evanilson is anything to go by, they won’t have any issues 

[filbertway]

I feel like people think that we're the standard for transfers.

 

All you need to do is be competent enough to be working at a Premier league club and you'll have no trouble having 99% of eligible footballers in the world that would be delighted to play for your club in the Premier League. Teams might dip from 6-14th, but that's purely down to how competitive the league is now.

 

You need to have several bad windows and terrible financial management to end up like we did.

 

It's so funny seeing people desperately every summer going on about how clubs are a few sales and bad deals away from becoming us

 

[Langston]

49 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

If Klopp had been as miserable and played the same boring style as Arteta then the wider football public would have wanted him to be sacked too. Goes beyond results.

 

Arsenal fans are probably happy with the incremental improvements each yeah but I think next season is very important for him. He's put the groundwork in and next season he has to deliver. Liverpool have a very old squad, Man City are in rebuild, Chelsea are a bit of a shambles... it's all there for Arsenal to win it. I think they should start the season as favourites.

 

I think Arsenal need to accept he's not the man for the job if they can't win a trophy next season. It's a bit like Spurs under Pochettino. 

 

A bit moot considering squads will change so much but I think there's a case to include Newcastle in the conversation too.. I think their midfield is the most well-balanced (outside of Liverpool) in the league and they have a bit of an edge to them I don't think Arsenal, Man City, Chelsea etc have..

[Torquay Gunner]

1 hour ago, Stadt said:

I’m coming around to the idea Arteta has taken Arsenal as far as he can, he’s a talented manager but he’s essentially handpicked a squad that doesn’t score enough - then bemoans the lack of goals.

 

He’s complaining about not having a striker but he almost needlessly signed Caliafiori (sp) and Merino, £70-80m that could have bought a good forward.

 

It’s not as if Zubamemdi is what they’re missing.

He has had 5 full seasons and yes we have improved and are back in the Champions League again.  However,  he has spent a lot of money to get there and yet we still don't have a 20 goal a season striker.  Jesus and Havertz are not the answer and never were.  Thankfully his vanity project Sterling will be sent back to Chelsea.  For me he is in last chance saloon, another trophy less season and he should be out of the door.  He has a lot of fan boys though who seem to be content for him to carry on regardless. 

Edited 19 May 2025 by Torquay Gunner

[SemperEadem]

The pictures from Goodison yesterday were amazing.

[Bert]

1 hour ago, Stadt said:

Yeah he will be, but it was more that they keep signing players in non-priority positions.

 

Osimhen is probably available for £50m or so. He might not be perfect but it's worth it at that price rather than jumping up to probably £100m for Gyokeres.

They’ve got a fair bit to spend if the rumours are true. 

[slymunn]

1 hour ago, AKCJ said:

If Klopp had been as miserable and played the same boring style as Arteta then the wider football public would have wanted him to be sacked too. Goes beyond results.

 

Arsenal fans are probably happy with the incremental improvements each yeah but I think next season is very important for him. He's put the groundwork in and next season he has to deliver. Liverpool have a very old squad, Man City are in rebuild, Chelsea are a bit of a shambles... it's all there for Arsenal to win it. I think they should start the season as favourites.

 

I think Arsenal need to accept he's not the man for the job if they can't win a trophy next season. It's a bit like Spurs under Pochettino. 

Liverpools first team is younger than Arsenals apparently. 

 

[AKCJ]

7 minutes ago, slymunn said:

Liverpools first team is younger than Arsenals apparently. 

 

Arsenal's players that are in their 30s are the likes of Jorginho and Sterling who never play whereas the spine of Liverpool's team is players that have 1 or 2 years at the top left.

 

Raya, Saliba, White, Gabriel, Rice, Odegaard, Saka, Martinelli etc all in that 23-26 range where you expect (with the experience they've had) them to start putting in consistent world class performances.

 

 

 

 

[slymunn]

17 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

Arsenal's players that are in their 30s are the likes of Jorginho and Sterling who never play whereas the spine of Liverpool's team is players that have 1 or 2 years at the top left.

 

Raya, Saliba, White, Gabriel, Rice, Odegaard, Saka, Martinelli etc all in that 23-26 range where you expect (with the experience they've had) them to start putting in consistent world class performances.

 

 

 

 

Raya, White, Gabriel are all older than 26, but I know what you mean regarding the older players for Liverpool Alisson, Van Dijk and Salah. They do also have a core of regulars who are 26 and under MacAllister, Gakpo, Konaté, Szoboszlai, Gravenberch, Bradley, Jones.
 

[Lambert09]

1 hour ago, filbertway said:

I feel like people think that we're the standard for transfers.

 

All you need to do is be competent enough to be working at a Premier league club and you'll have no trouble having 99% of eligible footballers in the world that would be delighted to play for your club in the Premier League. Teams might dip from 6-14th, but that's purely down to how competitive the league is now.

 

You need to have several bad windows and terrible financial management to end up like we did.

 

It's so funny seeing people desperately every summer going on about how clubs are a few sales and bad deals away from becoming us

 

Everton have had around 10 bad windows in a row and still finished mid table 😂

[st albans fox]

2 hours ago, Bert said:

I think Zubamendi is a Partey replacement maybe? 
 

Arsenal have a proven track record for keeping managers too long. Arteta for me is ok, but he’s very much an excuse manager and will rarely admit he’s in the wrong or the other team was better. I think another problem is centre forwards at the minute are at a massive premium. All the elite ones are at top level clubs. I wonder if they might try for Gyokeres. 

They didn’t hang onto emery long enough! 

[StanSP]

1 hour ago, AKCJ said:

Raya, Saliba, White, Gabriel, Rice, Odegaard, Saka, Martinelli etc all in that 23-26 range where you expect (with the experience they've had) them to start putting in consistent world class performances.

 

Raya is 29, Gabriel is 27 and White is 27 and seemingly made of glass mate  

 

 

[Genesis1]

Can somebody tell me, are we going to have 9 premier league teams in Europe?? Or 10 with Chelsea win the conference.

 

I thought you could only have so many.

[Super_horns]

31 minutes ago, Genesis1 said:

Can somebody tell me, are we going to have 9 premier league teams in Europe?? Or 10 with Chelsea win the conference.

 

I thought you could only have so many.

6 in Champions league 

2/3 in Europa league 

1/2 in the Conference league 

 

We were always going to have 5 but of course Man U /Spurs will get in the Champions league too .

So now everything moves down a slot .

 

Palace winning the Fa cup is like an extra spot gained too I think?

 

Does seem extreme I know but think Italy had 9 this season and Spain will also have that many ?

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 19 May 2025 by Super_horns

[StanSP]

4 minutes ago, Super_horns said:

6 in Champions league 

2/3 in Europa league 

1/2 in the Conference league 

 

We were always going to have 5 but of course Man U /Spurs will get in the Champions league too .

So now everything moves down a slot .

 

Palace winning the Fa cup is like an extra spot gained too I think?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah Palace winning the Cup, coupled with Spurs/Man Utd having shit seasons are basically the two additional spots. Add Newcastle winning the League Cup and finishing in the top 6 it means it all gets pushed down.

[Torquay Gunner]

4 hours ago, st albans fox said:

They didn’t hang onto emery long enough! 

Emery has done well with Villa and of course previously with Seville, but I rather think that is his ceiling.  

[AKCJ]

3 hours ago, StanSP said:

Raya is 29, Gabriel is 27 and White is 27 and seemingly made of glass mate  

 

 

[StanSP]

Do commentators know that viewers at home can't see what VAR is looking at?