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7 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Was always gonna be a shit signing, as I posted in this thread when he signed. Can't believe we paid £25m for him, it's sickening. 

It stings massively. It was a panic buy but for a position we didn’t actually need bodies in for :dunno:  I think we had a burning hole in our pocket from the soule attempts and just felt we needed to spend it 

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Posted
3 hours ago, Wortho said:

Is that Michael Ball the singer?

Might as well be, similar physique 

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Posted

Marti actually had him playing in the role Winks played under Maresca, the 6 collecting the ball from the goalkeeper or the back 4.

Winks was playing as an 8 and the game completely passed him by.

 

I actually like Winks and thought he was the best midfielder in the league when we went up. I’d like to keep winks, move him back to the 6 and **** Skipp off. Loan him out. Get a proper 8 in.

 

Daniel Levy has done us big time. 
 

Our recruitment has been unbelievably bad.

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Posted
35 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Only 4 years to go before he leaves on a free!

It’s sad as so true.

 

How old will he be when that happens?

 

He isn’t getting a contract as big anywhere else is he?

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Does anyone believe that this guy is going to ‘tear the championship apart’ ? At 25m he should but in all honesty I’ve seen lads in tier 5 with better mobility and vision. Rudkin strikes again. 

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Posted
24 minutes ago, Bordersfox said:

Apart from the penalty brain fart Skipp looked okay yesterday, Winks on the other hand looked like he couldn't give two fvcks.

 

£25m for 'okay' is terrible business but that's not on Skipp.

 

He's had one season under two shocking managers and his confidence looked shot.  We saw a glimpse of what he can be yesterday when he turned, broke the Koln front press and made an excellent pass to page which then presented a very good opportunity. He also broke up a couple of Koln attacks.  There was some level of commitment to the cause.  

 

Forget any fantasy about us selling him and who would pay his wages on a loan?

 

The best we can hope for is he rebuilds his career under a competent manager and gets another shot to show himself in a better light if we get promoted.

 

He's still young so there is still a chance  of redemption.  People need to separate the price tag from the player.  Horrible business and yes he's been sh1t but I am going to hope he comes good and certainly won't be revelling in his failure.  

Hes crap

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Posted (edited)
14 hours ago, honeybradger said:

If he was £5mil there would still be a consensus on here that he's not good enough. 

 

If he was cheaper you just wouldnt have the hipsters like yourself saying that the reason people criticise him is because of his transfer fee. Otherwise the reaction to him would be the same. He's not good enough at foofball, plain and simple.

The original post doesn't make out he's been a value-for-money signing and already states that the transfer fee doesn't negate criticism. It was simply meant that the £20-25m price tag plays a factor in how he's viewed in my opinion.

 

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Fee isn't his fault.

 

Feel like there is a bit of a witch hunt going on.

 

Thought he was OK yesterday in a pretty poor overall team performance.

 

Has a clean slate for me under Marti, let's see how he get on this season.

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Posted
59 minutes ago, Bordersfox said:

Apart from the penalty brain fart Skipp looked okay yesterday, Winks on the other hand looked like he couldn't give two fvcks.

 

£25m for 'okay' is terrible business but that's not on Skipp.

 

He's had one season under two shocking managers and his confidence looked shot.  We saw a glimpse of what he can be yesterday when he turned, broke the Koln front press and made an excellent pass to page which then presented a very good opportunity. He also broke up a couple of Koln attacks.  There was some level of commitment to the cause.  

 

Forget any fantasy about us selling him and who would pay his wages on a loan?

 

The best we can hope for is he rebuilds his career under a competent manager and gets another shot to show himself in a better light if we get promoted.

 

He's still young so there is still a chance  of redemption.  People need to separate the price tag from the player.  Horrible business and yes he's been sh1t but I am going to hope he comes good and certainly won't be revelling in his failure.  

I spent a lot of the 2nd game saying to my boy that Skipp looked alright and Winks seemed to be way off it.  Didn't get annoyed about the penalty as would rather see them getting stuck in rather than pulling out and im sure there was a lot of tired legs. I do hope fans give him a bit of a break, because as you say the price tag is not his fault and he does have the opportunity to kick on this season.

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Posted (edited)
5 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

I spent a lot of the 2nd game saying to my boy that Skipp looked alright and Winks seemed to be way off it.  Didn't get annoyed about the penalty as would rather see them getting stuck in rather than pulling out and im sure there was a lot of tired legs. I do hope fans give him a bit of a break, because as you say the price tag is not his fault and he does have the opportunity to kick on this season.

Yep, thought the same.  He showed a bit of bite think there were two or three good tackles.  Winks was a passenger, and that was sad to see.

 

There were glimpses last season where he used his energy to break the press and burst forward and we saw one excellent example of that yesterday. 

 

I think his confidence has been shot to pieces, Marti seems much warmer than Enzo, repeatedly stating he wants to get to know the man behind the player.  I am hoping this might help rebuild the confidence of some players.

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Posted (edited)
6 minutes ago, Bordersfox said:

Marti seems much warmer than Enzo

Ok, doesn't really relate to Skipp though. Or you on about Winks?

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, mod hero said:

Marti actually had him playing in the role Winks played under Maresca, the 6 collecting the ball from the goalkeeper or the back 4.

Winks was playing as an 8 and the game completely passed him by.

 

I actually like Winks and thought he was the best midfielder in the league when we went up. I’d like to keep winks, move him back to the 6 and **** Skipp off. Loan him out. Get a proper 8 in.

 

Daniel Levy has done us big time. 
 

Our recruitment has been unbelievably bad.

That’s how I saw it too. Skipp put in a passable impression of a footballer yesterday, probably for the first time in a Leicester shirt. But baring a midfield overhaul, which let’s face it isn’t happening this summer, I’d much prefer Winks to be the metronome. That’s playing to Winks strengths, he’s not a number 8. Hasn’t got the engine to press up the pitch. 
 

Skipp deserves a clean slate, it’s not his fault we overspent on him, but he's just one of those midfielders that’s doesn’t excel in any one area. Not technically great, isn’t particularly strong, no creativity, has no eye for goal. The best thing you can label him is tenacious and even that’s a stretch

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Posted
1 minute ago, ronnup said:

Him and Edouard in one window is absolutely iconic dimwittery

Add Ayew and Bobby Reid to that list too. 
 

I thought the Soumare, Daka, Bertrand, Vestergaard window was as bad as it’d ever get. How wrong I was

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Posted
7 minutes ago, JimJams said:

Ok, doesn't really relate to Skipp though. Or you on about Winks?

Was just using the two managerial styles as a comparison, appreciate Enzo didn't manage Skipp.  Whilst Marti has a plan he also seems to have more of a hands on approach with the players.  I probably should have used Ruud as my example who didn't strike me as particularly good on that side of things either.  

Posted
12 hours ago, Bordersfox said:

Apart from the penalty brain fart Skipp looked okay yesterday, Winks on the other hand looked like he couldn't give two fvcks.

 

£25m for 'okay' is terrible business but that's not on Skipp.

 

He's had one season under two shocking managers and his confidence looked shot.  We saw a glimpse of what he can be yesterday when he turned, broke the Koln front press and made an excellent pass to page which then presented a very good opportunity. He also broke up a couple of Koln attacks.  There was some level of commitment to the cause.  

 

Forget any fantasy about us selling him and who would pay his wages on a loan?

 

The best we can hope for is he rebuilds his career under a competent manager and gets another shot to show himself in a better light if we get promoted.

 

He's still young so there is still a chance  of redemption.  People need to separate the price tag from the player.  Horrible business and yes he's been sh1t but I am going to hope he comes good and certainly won't be revelling in his failure.  

We must have been watching two different games. I lost count of the amount of times he either lost possession on the halfway line, or put those around him under pressure with hospital passes. Koln found it surprisingly easy to thread balls between the lines and get the space to do so around the 20-30 yard area, which was because he was doing a shit job of tracking runners or positioning himself properly to make life difficult. Maybe that can be coached into him, but as I mentioned in a previous comment I think it comes down far more to a mixture of poor fitness and a general lack of athleticism. 

 

Frankly, we don't have time for him to "come good" with one more game until the season starts. Koln were a well-drilled unit who, quality-wise, are upper championship / PL relegation fodder level, and he looked out of his depth against them. He's going to be a liability against any team that doesn't sit off us. Admittedly, many did last time out in the Championship, but the game is moving on and even in the second tier far more now employ a gegenpress than even two years ago. We're going to get a lot less "respect" this time around.

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18 minutes ago, OntarioFox said:

We must have been watching two different games. I lost count of the amount of times he either lost possession on the halfway line, or put those around him under pressure with hospital passes. Koln found it surprisingly easy to thread balls between the lines and get the space to do so around the 20-30 yard area, which was because he was doing a shit job of tracking runners or positioning himself properly to make life difficult. Maybe that can be coached into him, but as I mentioned in a previous comment I think it comes down far more to a mixture of poor fitness and a general lack of athleticism. 

 

Frankly, we don't have time for him to "come good" with one more game until the season starts. Koln were a well-drilled unit who, quality-wise, are upper championship / PL relegation fodder level, and he looked out of his depth against them. He's going to be a liability against any team that doesn't sit off us. Admittedly, many did last time out in the Championship, but the game is moving on and even in the second tier far more now employ a gegenpress than even two years ago. We're going to get a lot less "respect" this time around.

Yep couldn’t agree more - not sure where any positivity comes from after watching him yesterday- ‘he was better than winks’ doesn’t mean he wasn’t crap - weirdly we played winks completely out of position trying to do things he can’t do and not the things he does really well picking the ball up off the cbs and dragging oppo onto us - I’m not sure what kind of set up that was with skipp and winks yesterday - I’m all for giving marti time to work it all out but all yesterday showed was that both winks and skippp were honking at what was being asked of them - neither of them can run or jump or head a ball or make a tackle - bodes well for a quality partnership 😂😂- after watching soumare and Ndidi with absolutely zero quality between them for most of last year these 2 hardly fill you with the hope of upgrades do they - 4 utterly poo centre mids for all kind of different reasons - none of them good 

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Posted
28 minutes ago, OntarioFox said:

We must have been watching two different games. I lost count of the amount of times he either lost possession on the halfway line, or put those around him under pressure with hospital passes. Koln found it surprisingly easy to thread balls between the lines and get the space to do so around the 20-30 yard area, which was because he was doing a shit job of tracking runners or positioning himself properly to make life difficult. Maybe that can be coached into him, but as I mentioned in a previous comment I think it comes down far more to a mixture of poor fitness and a general lack of athleticism. 

 

Frankly, we don't have time for him to "come good" with one more game until the season starts. Koln were a well-drilled unit who, quality-wise, are upper championship / PL relegation fodder level, and he looked out of his depth against them. He's going to be a liability against any team that doesn't sit off us. Admittedly, many did last time out in the Championship, but the game is moving on and even in the second tier far more now employ a gegenpress than even two years ago. We're going to get a lot less "respect" this time around.

Fair enough, entitled to you opinion.   

 

My observations may have been wrong, but overall I think I'll judge after he's had more than a week under the new regime.  Yeah, he may well turn out to be irredeemable but I saw some positives and I'll give him fair crack of the whip this season. 

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Posted
1 minute ago, Bordersfox said:

Fair enough, entitled to you opinion.   

 

My observations may have been wrong, but overall I think I'll judge after he's had more than a week under the new regime.  Yeah, he may well turn out to be irredeemable but I saw some positives and I'll give him fair crack of the whip this season. 

Honestly I'll be delighted to be proven wrong, because he'll feel like a new signing if he does come good. But I really, really worry for us this coming season if teams come at us early-doors and realise they can exploit the fact that he doesn't seem up to pace.

 

My biggest fear is that we end up having to rely on our front line to out score opponents, which is arguably an even bigger and more pressing concern right now. Skipp isn't the only one in fairness, it's been pointed out ad nauseum that our midfield collectively is a chocolate fireguard. Perhaps more athletic centre backs like Nelson and Okoli may spare the blushes of Skipp, Wilf, Winks if they play like they have been doing, but as it stands it looks like the two cargo ships and a clown will still be getting regular gametime for us... so I can't see our defensive woes improving much beyond hopefully coming up against some garbage finishers in this league. :nono:

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