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Cooper - In

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nnfox

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Let's be real, whether you are Cooper In or Cooper Out, it makes little difference.  Football management is a results game and results are good enough right now.

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Chrysalis

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Only fair we keep this thread, given a cooper out thread is allowed when he had barely had a couple of games.

 

Whats up boss.

 

 

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The attack after attack without faffing about at the back with 20 million passes, thank you.

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robski

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I think it’s  fair to say that no one was impressed with his appointment and he’s been regularly lambasted on these forums.

I didn’t want him but was confident he will keep us up although we may well drop into relegation zone at some stage as other teams find form and we have a dip but I’ve always thought he has passion and can motivate this team to survive this season.

Whilst it’s frustrating to be going 1 or 2 nil down in games the ability to come back and salvage something is credit to Cooper and the players.

I don’t care if he is tactically poor as long as we’re competing and scoring goals then we have a good chance of staying in the Prem this season and all I want is 4th from bottom.

Its not perfect but I doubt Enzo would have as many points and Brenda definitely not,

so surely we’ve got to be giving Cooper some praise and encouragement.

 

 

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JamesfromlondonLCFC

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I mean, listen. Do I think he's a great tactical manager? No. Do I think he will make some truly mind numbingly stupid decisions at time this season? Yes. Do I think he's the absolute best manager we could have got? Probably not. But he has got us actually fighting. Like realistically, I haven't seen any actual grit from us in a long time. Possibly since early Brendan Rodgers. Enzo did great for us, but he definitely didn't have us 'fighting' and when we went behind under him I thought we generally looked unlikely to battle back. He relied on us being the better team from the start. So in short, I'm not really cooper out or in, I just think it's nice to see us fighting and battling again. 

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OntarioFox

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Yeah can we not lock this one this time please? :dunno:

As I said previously on the other thread, FT has become a bit of an echo-chamber on this subject, to the point that I often avoid it on matchdays now. There's valid criticism, then there's just vitriol which the conversation has often descended into.

There are ABSOLUTELY questions to be asked about the team selections and negative tactical choices, but credit has to be due when we can turn something like that around.

You also can't moan about team selections and then also get angry when he brings players on and they turn the game around. Everyone's talking about Abdul, but he would have been way less effective in the first half setup - Cooper changed the shape / formation when he came in which gave him free reign to run at tiring legs. That's good management and for all we know could have been the plan from the start - we couldn't vouch for being 2-0 down to two soft goals at the point though. He also finally dropped Ayew (who hasn't been nearly as bad as people here make out), brought him on to be the muscle that brings the wingers (like Abdul) into the game... and as ugly as it was, he's today's matchwinner. And a lot here were saying the starting line-up "looked good" - and it ended up being crap. He's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't in a lot of ways. That first goal in particular was nothing to do with how he was setting us up and everything to do with individuals switching off - Ndidi and VK in particular fast asleep.

 

I'm just bored of it, we all knew this season would be tough and lacking quality. We've got one of the few managers who would give us a chance with the PSR threat looming, transfers looking shaky, and our main playmaker gone. His choices have been questionable at times, but I've also seen good passages and halves of football in there too. That second half today - much like the first against Bournemouth - was very good.

Is he the answer long term? No. But he's got them playing for the shirt, we're scoring goals, and we've just nabbed back to back wins to put us five clear of relegation (avoiding which is the target this season, nothing more). 

I won't be calling for his head. Criticising him, sure, he deserves that, but he's doing what he was brought here to do, by hook or crook.

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I'm not a Cooper fan. But points mean prizes. Getting something against Forest now would be great, but Ipswich is the next big survival game. Win that and we've got a nice run of fixtures until Christmas that I wouldn't be worried about IF we get the points against Ipswich.  The good thing right now is that other rivals at the wrong end of the table are also losing games, so anything opens up a gap.  We're already 6 points above the drop zone, albeit with Palace and Wolves to play, but even if Wolves win it's still a 5 point gap.  If that gap keeps increasing, there can't be too many complaints. 

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foxfan92

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I'm still in the "very much yet to be convinced" camp, but we have won the last 2 games, and while Fatawu clearly should have started anyway, Cooper did bring him on with enough time to impact the game this time.

 

So maybe there is still hope?

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Chrysalis

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32 minutes ago, OntarioFox said:

Yeah can we not lock this one this time please? :dunno:

As I said previously on the other thread, FT has become a bit of an echo-chamber on this subject, to the point that I often avoid it on matchdays now. There's valid criticism, then there's just vitriol which the conversation has often descended into.

There are ABSOLUTELY questions to be asked about the team selections and negative tactical choices, but credit has to be due when we can turn something like that around.

You also can't moan about team selections and then also get angry when he brings players on and they turn the game around. Everyone's talking about Abdul, but he would have been way less effective in the first half setup - Cooper changed the shape / formation when he came in which gave him free reign to run at tiring legs. That's good management and for all we know could have been the plan from the start - we couldn't vouch for being 2-0 down to two soft goals at the point though. He also finally dropped Ayew (who hasn't been nearly as bad as people here make out), brought him on to be the muscle that brings the wingers (like Abdul) into the game... and as ugly as it was, he's today's matchwinner. And a lot here were saying the starting line-up "looked good" - and it ended up being crap. He's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't in a lot of ways. That first goal in particular was nothing to do with how he was setting us up and everything to do with individuals switching off - Ndidi and VK in particular fast asleep.

 

I'm just bored of it, we all knew this season would be tough and lacking quality. We've got one of the few managers who would give us a chance with the PSR threat looming, transfers looking shaky, and our main playmaker gone. His choices have been questionable at times, but I've also seen good passages and halves of football in there too. That second half today - much like the first against Bournemouth - was very good.

Is he the answer long term? No. But he's got them playing for the shirt, we're scoring goals, and we've just nabbed back to back wins to put us five clear of relegation (avoiding which is the target this season, nothing more). 

I won't be calling for his head. Criticising him, sure, he deserves that, but he's doing what he was brought here to do, by hook or crook.

Deffo see where you coming from, posting on foxes talk is a hard slog, there is absolute obsession with both Cooper and Ricardo right now.  No balance or rationale in the discussions at all.

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He deserves some credit, we’re battling for draws or wins , it’s not pretty at times but we are are battling relegation this season so personally think he’s doing the best he can at making us competitive. 

 

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jv1

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I don’t love him either but we have seen all the miracles and I mean all of them - we will always have them - my world will very much work around results just now and fair play to him - I had him on the doll line at half time and boooooom who saw it 😂😂😂- up the Leicester and for now up the cooper trooper 

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jv1

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1 hour ago, OntarioFox said:

Yeah can we not lock this one this time please? :dunno:

As I said previously on the other thread, FT has become a bit of an echo-chamber on this subject, to the point that I often avoid it on matchdays now. There's valid criticism, then there's just vitriol which the conversation has often descended into.

There are ABSOLUTELY questions to be asked about the team selections and negative tactical choices, but credit has to be due when we can turn something like that around.

You also can't moan about team selections and then also get angry when he brings players on and they turn the game around. Everyone's talking about Abdul, but he would have been way less effective in the first half setup - Cooper changed the shape / formation when he came in which gave him free reign to run at tiring legs. That's good management and for all we know could have been the plan from the start - we couldn't vouch for being 2-0 down to two soft goals at the point though. He also finally dropped Ayew (who hasn't been nearly as bad as people here make out), brought him on to be the muscle that brings the wingers (like Abdul) into the game... and as ugly as it was, he's today's matchwinner. And a lot here were saying the starting line-up "looked good" - and it ended up being crap. He's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't in a lot of ways. That first goal in particular was nothing to do with how he was setting us up and everything to do with individuals switching off - Ndidi and VK in particular fast asleep.

 

I'm just bored of it, we all knew this season would be tough and lacking quality. We've got one of the few managers who would give us a chance with the PSR threat looming, transfers looking shaky, and our main playmaker gone. His choices have been questionable at times, but I've also seen good passages and halves of football in there too. That second half today - much like the first against Bournemouth - was very good.

Is he the answer long term? No. But he's got them playing for the shirt, we're scoring goals, and we've just nabbed back to back wins to put us five clear of relegation (avoiding which is the target this season, nothing more). 

I won't be calling for his head. Criticising him, sure, he deserves that, but he's doing what he was brought here to do, by hook or crook.

What an absolute AAAA1 post this is - very well articulated young man - couldn’t have said it any better myself 

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