Notts Forest (H) Friday 25th October 8pm

[jv1]

13 minutes ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

He does speak well to be fair to him 

He really does - it amazing how many on here hate him - come across as a proper decent knowledgeable bloke to me who has made a career knowing his stuff on and off the pitch - don’t care how much grief I get I quite like him 

[Pita]

A big win on Friday and a few more might like him a bit more. 

[Ric Flair]

Vestergaard won't keep quiet if there is anything going on or if Cooper isn't having him. 

[CrazyKopCorner]

14 minutes ago, jv1 said:

He really does - it amazing how many on here hate him - come across as a proper decent knowledgeable bloke to me who has made a career knowing his stuff on and off the pitch - don’t care how much grief I get I quite like him 

He is likeable he just makes continual baffling decisions in terms of team selection ,subs etc 

 

He got away with it by getting closer to the team that 99% of us would have picked from the start on Saturday. 

 

He seriously needs to up his game because we are not fully pulling our weight irrespective of our position with the poor decisions he's making. 

 

Continued goals conceded down the right yet Ricky has not had 1 minute of Premier League game time so far - absolutely incredible incompetence 

[Dahnsouff]

5 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Vestergaard won't keep quiet if there is anything going on or if Cooper isn't having him. 

Agree. He does not seem the like the sort of bloke to keep his trap shut, won’t shout out, but can easily imagine he will tell it as he see’s it in private.

[Dahnsouff]

4 minutes ago, CrazyKopCorner said:

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Continued goals conceded down the right yet Ricky has not had 1 minute of Premier League game time so far - absolutely incredible incompetence 

Must be honest, I am sold on @StriderHiryu explanation here, and that it’s a system problem rather than JJ being consistently crap. This obviously does not mean it’s ok, Cooper has to fix this systemic issue, although if we do have this systemic issue, we could just play Ricardo anyway!!

[Nolucklcfc]

29 minutes ago, jv1 said:

He really does - it amazing how many on here hate him - come across as a proper decent knowledgeable bloke to me who has made a career knowing his stuff on and off the pitch - don’t care how much grief I get I quite like him 

The amount of people who despise him surprises me. Not just on here but in general. Speaks very well and respectful of the club, which hasn’t always been a given with past managers as we well know. I remain skeptical of him and his tactical knowledge but would be delighted to be proved wrong. I just have so many concerns watching us. 

[CrazyKopCorner]

9 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Must be honest, I am sold on @StriderHiryu explanation here, and that it’s a system problem rather than JJ being consistently crap. This obviously does not mean it’s ok, Cooper has to fix this systemic issue, although if we do have this systemic issue, we could just play Ricardo anyway!!

Yes the first goal on Saturday showed up the problem well. 

 

I know JJ got skinned for the 2n but by and large although down his side I've often not thought individual goals have been down to him 

 

I'd drop Kristensen who is way out of his depth mvoe JJ across and bring Ricky in. 

 

A new left back in Jan is imperative 

[BillyFOX12]

3 hours ago, moore_94 said:

“Hopefully it will be less than a few weeks for Jannik. He knows his body well. It’s a little bit inconclusive.”
 

Perfect language for him to suddenly be fit again for Denmark for the next international break and then have another reoccurrence after he comes back

 

I think they have fallen out or Cooper really doesn’t want to use him

He had a stellar performance for Denmark against Spain. I'm not buying it.

[jv1]

15 minutes ago, BillyFOX12 said:

He had a stellar performance for Denmark against Spain. I'm not buying it.

Got 2.6 stars in the review I saw - definitely not stellar in any way 

[Jobyfox]

35 minutes ago, CrazyKopCorner said:

Yes the first goal on Saturday showed up the problem well. 

 

I know JJ got skinned for the 2n but by and large although down his side I've often not thought individual goals have been down to him 

 

I'd drop Kristensen who is way out of his depth mvoe JJ across and bring Ricky in. 

 

A new left back in Jan is imperative 

Chilwell on loan 

[Sunbury Fox]

34 minutes ago, Nolucklcfc said:

The amount of people who despise him surprises me. Not just on here but in general. Speaks very well and respectful of the club, which hasn’t always been a given with past managers as we well know. I remain skeptical of him and his tactical knowledge but would be delighted to be proved wrong. I just have so many concerns watching us. 

Don’t think many despise him as such. Rather, they’re just confused, rightly in my view, by his team selections and preferred tactical set up. I think many of us would be more behind him if he dropped this daft lopsided formation, which leaves us vulnerable defensively and stunted in attack, and switched to a basic 4231, with Ricky at RB, Fats and Mav on the wings, and Facundo in the 10. It’s not rocket science.

[Nolucklcfc]

19 minutes ago, Sunbury Fox said:

Don’t think many despise him as such. Rather, they’re just confused, rightly in my view, by his team selections and preferred tactical set up. I think many of us would be more behind him if he dropped this daft lopsided formation, which leaves us vulnerable defensively and stunted in attack, and switched to a basic 4231, with Ricky at RB, Fats and Mav on the wings, and Facundo in the 10. It’s not rocket science.

I agree but unfortunately there are plenty that really hate him. I want him to succeed but have the exact same concerns as the ones you mention 

[ealingfox]

Beggars belief that people on here thought giving Vestergaard a new contract was a good decision should have been told to piss off at full time at the Blackburn game.

[Lionator]

1 hour ago, CrazyKopCorner said:

Yes the first goal on Saturday showed up the problem well. 

 

I know JJ got skinned for the 2n but by and large although down his side I've often not thought individual goals have been down to him 

 

I'd drop Kristensen who is way out of his depth mvoe JJ across and bring Ricky in. 

 

A new left back in Jan is imperative 

Kristensen has been quietly going about his business. The fact nobody is talking about him much is a good sign. Dropping him would be stupid. 

[Dahnsouff]

2 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

Beggars belief that people on here thought giving Vestergaard a new contract was a good decision should have been told to piss off at full time at the Blackburn game.

History rewrite, episode XXIV well underway I see. 

He was epic last year, accept being wrong and move on.

[robski]

1 hour ago, CrazyKopCorner said:

He is likeable he just makes continual baffling decisions in terms of team selection ,subs etc 

 

He got away with it by getting closer to the team that 99% of us would have picked from the start on Saturday. 

 

He seriously needs to up his game because we are not fully pulling our weight irrespective of our position with the poor decisions he's making. 

 

Continued goals conceded down the right yet Ricky has not had 1 minute of Premier League game time so far - absolutely incredible incompetence 

What are you going on about 

The blokes done well so far 

He’s been persecuted by forum fans 

He’s got us scoring goals 

I accept we concede early but blimey he manages to turn it around and we’re getting results so it’s not all bad 😀

[iancognito]

1 hour ago, jv1 said:

He really does - it amazing how many on here hate him - come across as a proper decent knowledgeable bloke to me who has made a career knowing his stuff on and off the pitch - don’t care how much grief I get I quite like him 

I'm not sure people actually hate him, I certainly don't, I just don't like the way he's trying to reinvent the wheel and not playing to our strengths. Seems a nice guy, seems to have the players backing, but that goes by the wayside when your selections and tactics start us off on the wrong foot every week.

[iancognito]

4 minutes ago, robski said:

What are you going on about 

The blokes done well so far 

He’s been persecuted by forum fans 

He’s got us scoring goals 

I accept we concede early but blimey he manages to turn it around and we’re getting results so it’s not all bad 😀

We wouldn't have to keep turning it round if he picked the right players on the right positions to start with, that's the point.

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, iancognito said:

We wouldn't have to keep turning it round if he picked the right players on the right positions to start with, that's the point.

I get what you are saying, but if Fatawu (for example) starts, he likely won’t finish the game, and is he more destructive later? Cannot see the harm in trying it to be honest!

[SkidsFox]

Win, lose or draw, we're going to see a meltdown at some point here on the day (even if it's just the team selected and Fatawu is a sub). Not sure if I can stomach it, but maybe I'm just deluding myself and will be lapping it all up. May be a good day to take the sleeping pills and avoid the stress. Not a fan of this kind of fixture.

[murphy]

1 hour ago, Dahnsouff said:

Must be honest, I am sold on @StriderHiryu explanation here, and that it’s a system problem rather than JJ being consistently crap. This obviously does not mean it’s ok, Cooper has to fix this systemic issue, although if we do have this systemic issue, we could just play Ricardo anyway!!

It is a system problem and it has been pointed out before, buts it's cooper's way of creating an extra body in attack.  I can't see him shelving it, but it keeps leaving us exposed, it is a weakness that is being targeted and it is hurting us more than it benefits us. 

 

 

Edited 23 October 2024 by murphy

[murphy]

40 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

History rewrite, episode XXIV well underway I see. 

He was epic last year, accept being wrong and move on.

To be fair, lots of people voiced their misgivings about seeing Vestergaard back in the prem at the time the new contract was given and especially at the length of it. 

[CrazyKopCorner]

44 minutes ago, Lionator said:

Kristensen has been quietly going about his business. The fact nobody is talking about him much is a good sign. Dropping him would be stupid. 

Were you there on Saturday? He’s not Premier League standard. Probably a good guy, tries hard but currently well out of his depth 

[CrazyKopCorner]

32 minutes ago, robski said:

What are you going on about 

The blokes done well so far 

He’s been persecuted by forum fans 

He’s got us scoring goals 

I accept we concede early but blimey he manages to turn it around and we’re getting results so it’s not all bad 😀

Not all bad and it shows the players are still playing for him but he’s just not any bloody good - we’ll agree to disagree