Sack Cooper Yes or No?

[hejammy]

2 minutes ago, shailen said:

I'd give him a few more games. Needs to get a minimum of 7 points from the next 5. Anything less and we should get rid!!

I'd say there's less than a 10% chance we get 7 points from the next 5

 

Brentford (a) - L

West Ham (H) - D if we are lucky 

Brighton (H) - L

Newcastle (A) - L

Wolves (H) - D or W

 

So that's 4 points if we beat Wolves or max 6 points if we beat both Wolves and West Ham. No way we get any points from the others. 

[Bilo]

If Ipswich win this weekend, we go into the bottom three. That has been a milestone that has been fatal more than once for Leicester managers and I suspect could be again. The players are barely even bothering to hide the fact that they don't respect him, and Vardy is pretty open about it. 

[dannythefox]

How can anyone still want him, he’s taking us down and you know it. The players look clueless what all comes from Cooper. Vardy speaking with Ayew at the end probably saying what a fuxk are we doing.

[trooky]

4 minutes ago, Izzet is God said:

I’m going to be completely honest and admit that I voted to keep and I still am not 100% in the out camp yet but will be if we don’t get at least 4 points out the next 2 games.

I fully agree that our performances this season have been hit and miss but I generally didn’t think we’d stay up this season and am surprised there is such a large amount of our fan base who think we are a decent side who can stay up.

 

The majority of our squad are not good enough at this level. This is not Coopers fault. No matter who we have in charge we generally are not good enough to compete IMO.

 

Our defence is terrible. Our midfield are not attack minded and we have a 37 year old leading the line on his own.

Apart from Mads and Buonanotte (who isn’t even our player) we have no Prem talent. Vardy is exempt as it’s clear he’s not the player he once was and should really be thinking it is close to calling it a day.
The whole ‘look what Enzo achieved with the same players’ is not a valid debate as the championship is dire. We should have walked that league and did. Even Southampton and Ipswich proved its miles apart in standard from the Prem.

 

No matter what manager is in charge we will not be a decent side unless we get a complete overhaul of the board and squad which isn’t going to happen.

 

I’ll give him two more games and if we don’t get at least 4 points. He needs to go to see if anyone else can get something out of the squad. We just need to be less shit than 3 other teams. Unfortunately I don’t think we will be.

He's not worth that length of post, gid rid ASAP

[Bilo]

1 minute ago, shen said:

But why? There's no improvement, no development and any momentum we've getten with the odd undeserved result has promptly evaporated. He had the easiest run of games for the first 10, and we could still end up in the relegation spots by the end of the day.

 

This squad contains internationals from Belgium, England, Denmark, Ghana, Nigeria, Argentina, Italy, Jamaica, Zambia and we can barely make a fight of staying up. It's not acceptable in any way.

This is why when people say the squad isn't good enough that I get confused. We aren't blooming Luton.

 

Our squad is better than the two teams we came up with as a minimum, and I'd probably throw Everton and Wolves into that. And that's without Fatawu for the rest of the season. 

 

Add in a replacement for Abdul in January and another move for Ioannidis and we're good enough to stay up. But only with decent management. He simply has to go.

[frany104]

To me it’s as simple as this. If he gets a few more games, the damage could already be done.

 

we need to make the move now and give ourselves a chance. New manager festering a style of play for a few weeks before the January window to buy a few players the new manager wants. 
 

if cooper is here for January… we’re down.

[ElusiveEd]

Time to go I'm afraid. 

 

Was chatting to some LCFC employees pre game today who said there are strong rumours abound that we are actively chasing Ruud Van Nistelroy.

 

Time will tell I guess but I'd take him in a heartbeat. 

 

 

[shen]

1 minute ago, Bilo said:

This is why when people say the squad isn't good enough that I get confused. We aren't blooming Luton.

 

Our squad is better than the two teams we came up with as a minimum, and I'd probably throw Everton and Wolves into that. And that's without Fatawu for the rest of the season. 

 

Add in a replacement for Abdul in January and another move for Ioannidis and we're good enough to stay up. But only with decent management. He simply has to go.

Agreed, our squad is just fine for lower midtable. Any manager worth his salt should be able to get a tune out of them. 

 

Kristiansen, Ricardo and Justin didn't turn shit overnight. Set us up correctly so we don't get done time and again down the flanks. 

 

Use the evident strengths of the squad instead of persisting with an ineffective playstyle.

[Bilo]

1 minute ago, ElusiveEd said:

Time to go I'm afraid. 

 

Was chatting to some LCFC employees pre game today who said there are strong rumours abound that we are actively chasing Ruud Van Nistelroy.

 

Time will tell I guess but I'd take him in a heartbeat. 

 

 

He'd fit.

 

Good record at PSV, the big name that our board seems to like and does have some Premier League experience. 

[KFS]

1 minute ago, Bilo said:

He'd fit.

 

Good record at PSV, the big name that our board seems to like and does have some Premier League experience. 

Yeah I now actively want him as our manager 

[FrankieADZ]

25 minutes ago, shailen said:

I'd give him a few more games. Needs to get a minimum of 7 points from the next 5. Anything less and we should get rid!!

could more games? surely there is enough evidence from the 14 games we've had under him this season that hes really not good enough

 

the way we've played i cant see us with 7 points from them, not a chance in hell, we was mighty look to get 2 wins in a row against Bournemouth and Southampton

we've been woeful this season, the performances, stats etc they all prove it

[shailen]

21 minutes ago, shen said:

But why? There's no improvement, no development and any momentum we've gotten with the odd undeserved result has promptly evaporated. He had the easiest run of games for the first 10, and we could still end up in the relegation spots by the end of the day.

 

This squad contains internationals from Belgium, England, Denmark, Ghana, Nigeria, Argentina, Italy, Jamaica, Morocco, Zambia and we can barely make a fight of staying up. It's not acceptable in any way.

Just because of the timing of it. Like with Brendan, the timing of sacking him came at the wrong time before we had two or three relegation six pointers. If we got rid of him after United and with an international break for any manager to work with the players, it would have made more sense imo.

[inckley fox]

19 minutes ago, trooky said:

He's not worth that length of post, gid rid ASAP

Everyone was demanding that people who voted 'keep' explain themselves. Someone does that, in great detail, and they're told not to bother!

[FrankieADZ]

2 minutes ago, shailen said:

Just because of the timing of it. Like with Brendan, the timing of sacking him came at the wrong time before we had two or three relegation six pointers. If we got rid of him after United and with an international break for any manager to work with the players, it would have made more sense imo.

nah should have got rid of him after the horror show at spurs

 

no real reasons from the keep camp then?

Edited 23 November 2024 by FrankieADZ

[shen]

1 minute ago, shailen said:

Just because of the timing of it. Like with Brendan, the timing of sacking him came at the wrong time before we had two or three relegation six pointers. If we got rid of him after United and with an international break for any manager to work with the players, it would have made more sense imo.

Well the players don't seem on board with Cooper, what's to lose? The timing would be just fine. A new manager comes in and has time to assess the squad before the window. 

[Chiltern Fox]

I like him, but we need a change. Off the pitch and on.

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

Can guarandamntee Van Nistelrooy would be gone by the last 5 games of the season if he came here

[Bilo]

2 minutes ago, Chiltern Fox said:

I like him, but we need a change. Off the pitch and on.

He seems like a nice bloke and he was brave to take it on when it looked like we were odds-on for a points deduction, but it hasn't worked and isn't going to. 

 

If he goes sooner rather than later, he'll get a Championship job and probably do well. The longer it goes on, though, the more damage he does to his career and the more enmity will be built between him and the fanbase.

[Bilo]

1 minute ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

Can guarandamntee Van Nistelrooy would be gone by the last 5 games of the season if he came here

Unfortunately, the fact the club mucked up the appointments process in the summer means we haven't the luxury of time. We need someone who is ready and willing to go within days. Perhaps even hours if the Puel-Rodgers timeline is the template. 

 

We don't know if RVN would work, but we definitely know Cooper isn't going to. It's more reckless to stick than twist in my view.

[coolhandfox]

2 shots on target in the last 2 home games, 1 a penalty. 

 

 

Edited 23 November 2024 by coolhandfox

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

Just now, Bilo said:

Unfortunately, the fact the club mucked up the appointments process in the summer means we haven't the luxury of time. We need someone who is ready and willing to go within days. Perhaps even hours if the Puel-Rodgers timeline is the template. 

 

We don't know if RVN would work, but we definitely know Cooper isn't going to. It's more reckless to stick than twist in my view.

 

I don't disagree – Cooper needs to go as soon as possible. I just don't think RvN is the right man for the gig whatsoever.

[Gazza M]

Loss at Brentford and I think board will act. Draw I think he gets West Ham game but must win that also or he is gone.

[phoneticerror]

38 minutes ago, hejammy said:

I'd say there's less than a 10% chance we get 7 points from the next 5

 

Brentford (a) - L

West Ham (H) - D if we are lucky 

Brighton (H) - L

Newcastle (A) - L

Wolves (H) - D or W

 

So that's 4 points if we beat Wolves or max 6 points if we beat both Wolves and West Ham. No way we get any points from the others. 

You haven’t just watched the Wolves game I assume. They’ll spank us for sure. 

[Kp1984]

Needs to go 

[Bilo]

1 minute ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

 

I don't disagree – Cooper needs to go as soon as possible. I just don't think RvN is the right man for the gig whatsoever.

A safer choice might be David Moyes. However, with two of his former clubs not exactly pulling up trees, he might be holding out for one of those gigs.

 

Potter would have been a better pick in the summer, but doesn't strike me as a fixer who can hit the ground running with a struggling team mid-season. 

 

The foreign coaches like Schmidt, Hjulmand and Conceicao would obviously be better, but I don't see our board being brave enough to give them their first job in English football under the circumstances. 

 

In short, pretty much all of our problems this season stem from giving the wrong man the job at the wrong time.