expectations vs reality

[Trav Le Bleu]

8 hours ago, Chrysalis said:

How on earth do you get on the brink of a PSR charge, whilst devaluing your squad, club has been run really well.

Shows how much relegation costs you now.

 

It would be interesting if we got relegated with Southampton and Ipswich and then next season the three promoted teams were again relegated. Might be a bit of a wake up call to the league in general.

[sylofox]

Is anyone really surprised at our decline?

 

Yesterday just sums us up and how wer are run.

 

Let's waste two whole weeks of an international break give the manager 90 mins against a top four side then sack him. Much as I wanted him gone the Chelsea result was not a reason to do it. It should of been done straight after Man U.

 

Everyone on here knows that but the fvcking idiots that run the club don't. I have no faith in this lots except to blindly lead us into oblivion.

 

Hold on tight guys n gals it's a long way down.

[funkyrobot]

5 minutes ago, sylofox said:

Is anyone really surprised at our decline?

 

Yesterday just sums us up and how wer are run.

 

Let's waste two whole weeks of an international break give the manager 90 mins against a top four side then sack him. Much as I wanted him gone the Chelsea result was not a reason to do it. It should of been done straight after Man U.

 

Everyone on here knows that but the fvcking idiots that run the club don't. I have no faith in this lots except to blindly lead us into oblivion.

 

Hold on tight guys n gals it's a long way down.

The timing will be related to the new recruit IMO. The board acting when it was clear a replacement was incoming. This week will show us I guess. Ultimately the timing doesn’t change the fact that it’s the right decision and as a club we are better off with Cooper no longer in charge. 

[Vestan Pance]

20 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

The timing will be related to the new recruit IMO. The board acting when it was clear a replacement was incoming. This week will show us I guess. Ultimately the timing doesn’t change the fact that it’s the right decision and as a club we are better off with Cooper no longer in charge. 

You could be right, but it could also be the case that they've "parted company" suddenly after things came to a head on Saturday, Cooper was not happy with the situation either.

 

History would suggest they will now be scratching around for weeks. The only hope that they have a replacement in place is Cooper's team leaving at the same time.

 

As you say, this week will show how competent they are.

[BKLFox]

Out of interest what is the ‘player’ column showing on the original graph, I assume total squad but don’t we all have a 25 man squad + U21s? 
There is no way we have a larger squad than Chelsea, Man C etc no?

[DJ Barry Hammond]

8 hours ago, Guest said:

 

I'm not sure what it is you're actually upset about and the idea that Top has appointed Steve Cooper to get us playing like Man City then sacked him for failing to do so is completely mental so I think I will leave you to it.

Of course you could argue that, over the last 5 games, Cooper has been successful in this regard. 

[CosbehFox]

The point the critics and this post openly miss is that when you are a regular attendee paying hundreds of pounds to watch your team, you want them to play more expensive than a League 2 side in a cup tier v Premier League team. That's before we mention being outplayed for long spells by Everton, Saints and Ipswich 

[davieG]

10 hours ago, Chrysalis said:

Thought I would post this to knock some heads together and provide a reality check, this includes you mr Top.  If you think we should be higher up the table, how about spending something to support your theory.

 

 

We were at one point in a great position but I think far too many people have assumed other teams stand still, and not realised other clubs have improved their own positions relative to ourselves.  This applies both to the ownership of the club and a significant portion of our fan base.

isn't the squad value affected by our current position or is this based on what we paid for them? There's a few of our players that if they were in another more currently successful team their value would be higher

[davieG]

1 hour ago, sylofox said:

Is anyone really surprised at our decline?

 

Yesterday just sums us up and how wer are run.

 

Let's waste two whole weeks of an international break give the manager 90 mins against a top four side then sack him. Much as I wanted him gone the Chelsea result was not a reason to do it. It should of been done straight after Man U.

 

Everyone on here knows that but the fvcking idiots that run the club don't. I have no faith in this lots except to blindly lead us into oblivion.

 

Hold on tight guys n gals it's a long way down.

Well I'll hang fire on that until I see how quickly we replace him, I'd like to believe they spent the 2 weeks actively looking and interviewing replacements. Well one can hope.

[ACF]

I ****ing hate threads like this. Trying to justify absolute dross.

 

Any sports fan needs two things from their team.

 

1. Hope

2. A plan

 

Doesn’t matter how low you set the standards of hope, if there’s a plan to get to it, fans are happy. When no plan is communicated, we fans conjure up our own, and hope for that. 
 

Personally, I hope to see our team survive, whilst rejuvenating the squad and capitalising on our talented youth for sustainable success. Cooper had no plan for that.

 

I would have accepted solely survival. Cooper had no plan for that.
 

A plan and some hope, it’s all we need.

Edited 25 November 2024 by ACF

[sylofox]

21 minutes ago, davieG said:

Well I'll hang fire on that until I see how quickly we replace him, I'd like to believe they spent the 2 weeks actively looking and interviewing replacements. Well one can hope.

And they've done the same at OHL to have they?

[Bert]

10 hours ago, Guest said:

I can't say I've seen that anywhere. John Percy reckons survival is our sole focus and Cooper was told as such when he joined but I would be interested to read anything of substance to the contrary.

We’d be absolutely naive and downright stupid to think anything other than survival would be realistic this season. 

[Number 6]

2 hours ago, sylofox said:

Is anyone really surprised at our decline?

 

Yesterday just sums us up and how wer are run.

 

Let's waste two whole weeks of an international break give the manager 90 mins against a top four side then sack him. Much as I wanted him gone the Chelsea result was not a reason to do it. It should of been done straight after Man U.

 

Everyone on here knows that but the fvcking idiots that run the club don't. I have no faith in this lots except to blindly lead us into oblivion.

 

Hold on tight guys n gals it's a long way down.

Depends on the incoming though. It would have been worse to have sacked him after the Utd game, not have anyone lined up, and then goo into the Chelsea game without a manager still. If they've been lining things up in the background then the timing is very sensible.

[sylofox]

1 minute ago, Number 6 said:

Depends on the incoming though. It would have been worse to have sacked him after the Utd game, not have anyone lined up, and then goo into the Chelsea game without a manager still. If they've been lining things up in the background then the timing is very sensible.

No the timing is not sensible. We all new the international break was looming. They've done the same thing at both club's.

 

It's called making plans but obviously our lot just woke up and did it on a whim. Two weeks wasted for the new guy's at both club's.

[Number 6]

38 minutes ago, sylofox said:

No the timing is not sensible. We all new the international break was looming. They've done the same thing at both club's.

 

It's called making plans but obviously our lot just woke up and did it on a whim. Two weeks wasted for the new guy's at both club's.

So it would have been better to sack him then and have 2 weeks with no manager at all? You'd be championing that as good ownership? I'd say that really would have been 2 weeks wasted.

[sylofox]

1 minute ago, Number 6 said:

So it would have been better to sack him then and have 2 weeks with no manager at all? You'd be championing that as good ownership? I'd say that really would have been 2 weeks wasted.

No. I'm saying they had this in mind so start looking before the break. Be ready for it plan ahead as most businesses do. Don't just live for the moment.

 

Then you give the new man as much time as possible before his first game. Not just throw him in the deep end.

[Dahnsouff]

8 minutes ago, sylofox said:

No. I'm saying they had this in mind so start looking before the break. Be ready for it plan ahead as most businesses do. Don't just live for the moment.

 

Then you give the new man as much time as possible before his first game. Not just throw him in the deep end.

You are assuming the worst and that they were not looking during this time though.

[Foxdiamond]

It is well documented how outplayed we have been in matches and lucky not to have suffered a few serious thumpings. Fortunate to beat Bournemouth. Results against both Saints and Ipswich helped by opposition sending offs. There has been no indication that things were coming together but rather the reverse. The current league position does not reflect the whole story 

[Kienan dewsbury croc]

3 hours ago, Globalfox said:

Based on observations of the communications director, the overall lack of true journalists and the clear use of social media conspiracies by media outlets I cannot see that the club made any such comment on or off the record. I believe that Cooper has never had dressing room support and Vardy probably had a right moan at the owner post Chelsea driving an action that was already on his mind. The body language of the key people was very negative well before the end of the game on Saturday. It was never going to work supporters me included hated the man for his past coaching failures and his declared love of Forest. Perfect storm with the likeliest outcome.

Ok we’re 16th and currently 2 points out of the drop zone Wasnt it player power who cost ranieri and puel plus Rodgers there jobs bit of a pattern forming tbf ?

[CUJimmy]

With my optimistic head on I’m hoping the board have learned a lesson about hanging on to a manager too long.  
 

When the writing was on the wall with Rodgers early in the relegation season we could probably have got Unai Emery but Villa jumped first and look where they are now.

 

Everyone knows that Soton will sack Martin sooner rather than later so given that we are likely to be fishing in the same pool maybe our board are trying to get first pick.  Problem is there is nobody off that calibre floating around at the moment.

[Chrysalis]

4 hours ago, funkyrobot said:

That backs up what I said. The club aren’t over achieving, the players have continually underachieved and have been lucky to pick up the extra points they have. We are in a false position. Statistically we are bottom 3 in all of the stats that matter XG, XGA etc and now we are playing better teams and without any improvement on the pitch, we have stopped picking up points and luck isn’t enough - we are dropping to where the stats say we should be. Cooper simply wasn’t getting enough out of the players he had and the points he achieved were because he got lucky both with fixture selection in that first 10, some bad finishing from the numerous good chances we’ve given to the opposition and sheer luck that enabled us to defy pretty much every damning stat. You can’t play a season relying on luck. 

We still should be 18th end of season based on squad.  Also your reply if true to the thinking of the ownership of the club means survival wasnt the priority and the key part of Coopers agreement.  Because if it was he would still be here.

 

Clearly style of play is a factor.  Which we are referring to as performances in this thread.

My issue here is primarily the owners though not Coopers sacking, they need to improve the squad, improve the footballing operations, and bang their heads together on expectations, because before those things improve the only way we staying up is a miracle manager, one who over performs.

 

This problem with Top his delusion of how good the squad is has crept in to many supporters who now think the same.

 

Its astounding how many people think its all the manager.  

Thinking the footballing operations and spend of the club arent relevant here, even with the data staring at them in their faces.  There just seems to be s stubborn refusal to acknowledge top and his circle is a problem.

Edited 25 November 2024 by Chrysalis

[Number 6]

44 minutes ago, sylofox said:

No. I'm saying they had this in mind so start looking before the break. Be ready for it plan ahead as most businesses do. Don't just live for the moment.

 

Then you give the new man as much time as possible before his first game. Not just throw him in the deep end.

That could have been exactly what they were using the two weeks for though? If we get a manager in today/tomorrow then it's fine.

 

New manager in during internationals means a partial squad for a few training sessions. It's not a major benefit.

[Chrysalis]

2 hours ago, ACF said:

I ****ing hate threads like this. Trying to justify absolute dross.

 

Any sports fan needs two things from their team.

 

1. Hope

2. A plan

 

Doesn’t matter how low you set the standards of hope, if there’s a plan to get to it, fans are happy. When no plan is communicated, we fans conjure up our own, and hope for that. 
 

Personally, I hope to see our team survive, whilst rejuvenating the squad and capitalising on our talented youth for sustainable success. Cooper had no plan for that.

 

I would have accepted solely survival. Cooper had no plan for that.
 

A plan and some hope, it’s all we need.

You hate evidence that the club is underperforming in the squad building area?

 

I agree on communications its a complete shambles.  It wasnt coopers or the next managers job to rejuvenate the squad, thats down to the DoF and ownership of the club.

 

You are refusing to accept we have the 3rd weakest squad in the league.  Meaning we can only reasonably expect to outplay 2 out of 19 teams.

[Chrysalis]

50 minutes ago, sylofox said:

No. I'm saying they had this in mind so start looking before the break. Be ready for it plan ahead as most businesses do. Don't just live for the moment.

 

Then you give the new man as much time as possible before his first game. Not just throw him in the deep end.

We will find out if its planned properly on how quick the appointment is, I expect its an emotional reaction from the man child to been out played by our former manager''s team so done on the whim with no succession planning, but will find out over the upcoming days if I am wrong.

[whoareyaaa]

3 hours ago, sylofox said:

Is anyone really surprised at our decline?

 

Yesterday just sums us up and how wer are run.

 

Let's waste two whole weeks of an international break give the manager 90 mins against a top four side then sack him. Much as I wanted him gone the Chelsea result was not a reason to do it. It should of been done straight after Man U.

 

Everyone on here knows that but the fvcking idiots that run the club don't. I have no faith in this lots except to blindly lead us into oblivion.

 

Hold on tight guys n gals it's a long way down.

Quite a few of the players where away on international duty (not much but still), plus the new manager would have had to face Chelsea at home, maybe they spent the two weeks identifying the options available, bring them in early this week and give them a couple of winnable games to start.

Edited 25 November 2024 by whoareyaaa