Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[Tom12345]

I don’t know if it is something RVN can ever teach, but while we are playing well in patches, the biggest problem we have attacking wise is that our final balls/decisions are just not good enough. These are professional players, but:

- crosses from Justin and Kristiansen are often behind the attacking line.

- Mavididi constantly ignores a better pass either to the player overlapping or a runner in the middle. There were a few times yesterday when he ignored Vardy’s run or Bouneuettte in open space while just taking time to think about his dribbling. Moments he wasted. Bilal is the best we have in this regard so he should be held out as the model player.

- Vardy keeps staying in offside position resulting in his teammates not being able to pass to him and it then stops the flow of play - can’t he just stay on side?

 

We look nice in the first half but it was frustrating to see the final ball not coming through right. But these are professional players??

Edited 16 January by Tom12345

[Wink84]

1 hour ago, funkyrobot said:

People seriously want Dycheball ffs??  

No one wants that, but they do want to see a team to stop conceding a minimum of 1 goals and game. We aren't good enough to get points or wins if we can't stop conceding goals like we are. Everyone's frustrated. 

[StonyFox]

The squad just lacks the quality to compete at this level. You might get away with it with players with a point to prove, but we have Ayew, vestergaard, DCR, Hamza, who are more than happy to take the money and go through the motions. 

 

We had more possession, more shots, more touches in their box, so we did function as a team, but then it comes down to the players to use their ability to make things happen, but their ability is lacking 

[Dan]

6 hours ago, Chrysalis said:

Agree with this, hes our best midfielder right now, and I am thinking has he improved or has the rest of the squad dropped below his level?

It's the latter.

[5waller5]

9 hours ago, Mendi said:

Please resigned. He is taking the club down. No improved under him.

I know football is about opinions, and you may have had a few pints after the game…. But I cannot fathom how you haven’t seen an improvement in our set up / plan / play … what he can’t do is change the players for better ones.

Everything else he is doing. Ruud is the best manager we can hope for with our current basket case of Direction

[5waller5]

9 hours ago, Bluearmyfox28 said:

Are you on spice?

More succinct than my reply!

[mozartfox]

It takes a very clever Man to Polish a Turd.  We have to face facts RVN is not the problem here.  We have moved backwards for several years now and our recruitment has been in the main, atrocious with vast amounts of money wasted on older players, duff players and stupid salaries. Mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake.

 

We are going down and have to face the music and realize we urgently need changes to how the footbal side of things is goverened.  Major rebuild required with new Foreman taking over as DOF.

[5waller5]

9 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

Simplify your tactics and formation, the poorer standard of player the more you have to simplify the process and the message.

 

One example: He's asking JJ a player clearly struggling for form to transition for RB out of possession to RW in possession. A player who struggling do the basics. A player who can't beat a man or play a final ball is being asked to be your main creative outlet of the right.

 

Sometimes your manager has to be the differences maker.

 

Modern managers are fixated with plan A, if plan A doesn't work, do it better, if it doesn't work again do it better again.

 

Sometimes you have to except plan A is crap.

I agree that you change the plan if it’s not working. However you’re asking him to change plan 6/7 games into his tenure, with the same coaches, no pre-season, same players. 
 

As fans we need to show some patience and realise that any manager, and any plan, cannot instantly turn this sh!tshow around… I can see plenty of positives under RVN, despite the result we played some great football last night and with a bit of luck / better finishing would win the game.

 

Now is the time to stick to the plan not change it.

[5waller5]

8 hours ago, Tom12345 said:

These are professional players, but:

- crosses from Justin and Kristiansen are often behind the attacking line.

 

- Mavididi constantly ignores a better pass either to the player overlapping or a runner in the middle. There were a few times yesterday when he ignored Vardy’s run or Bouneuettte in open space while just taking time to think about his dribbling. 

 

- Vardy keeps staying in offside position resulting in his teammates not being able to pass to him and it then stops the flow of play - can’t he just stay on side?

 

I agree with all of these points, but they are the most difficult skills in football to get right too. 
 

Sprinting full pelt past a defender doing the same, looking up and striking the perfect cross… even the best wingers aim at an area and the attackers, after playing together in a well drilled plan appear in the same area. The winger isn’t necessarily picking them out, they appear to be because they’re following a script / have an understanding.

 

Vardy being offside is a symptom of being 38 unfortunately… he has to get an extra yard out of somewhere so his timing is nearer to the margin.
 

Also Palace are a very well drilled side. Their defensive structure looked spot on last night, whilst we beat ourselves up it’s easy to forget that the opposition defence may have just played well

[5waller5]

5 hours ago, mozartfox said:

It takes a very clever Man to Polish a Turd.  We have to face facts RVN is not the problem here.  We have moved backwards for several years now and our recruitment has been in the main, atrocious with vast amounts of money wasted on older players, duff players and stupid salaries. Mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake.

 

We are going down and have to face the music and realize we urgently need changes to how the footbal side of things is goverened.  Major rebuild required with new Foreman taking over as DOF.

Good to see Mozart is ready to face the music! 

[Lionator]

To quote a great philosopher Nigel F. Pearson, anyone that blames the manager for this mess is “an ostrich, with their head buried in the sand.” Peak Fergie, Pep, Sacchi wouldn’t keep this side up because the squad is not good enough 

[The Doctor]

6 hours ago, orangecity23 said:

Cooper team without Hermansen takes zero points from any fixture. Mads was a one man wall preventing a total battering every week. Lest we forget the away game at Arsenal where he set a record for most saves in a game and we still conceeded 4. Cooper lost 4 of his last 5 games anyway, so acting like he would have taken points is a fantasy, the death spiral was already in motion.

thank you! the revisionism going on is insane. We've lost 6 in a row, can guarantee you under Cooper it'd be 11 (we don't win v West ham or come back v Brighton under him). the tactics were dog shit but the luck was off the charts, we should have been bottom 2 under Cooper on underlying stats but he had a near world class goalkeeper than RvN has barely had available. 

 

Cooper sank himself by playing victim about refs rather than coaching, and recruiting utter garbage. Ruud has had 2 players that walk straight into this team or really any in the bottom 5 missing (Mads and Fatawu), and, nearly 8 weeks into the job, the board still haven't sorted out his coaching staff coming in. Is it good, no, but people are memory holing how bad it was under Cooper.

[Raj]

Have we seen ANY improvement  since he took over?

Genuine  question.

[Lionator]

4 minutes ago, Raj said:

Have we seen ANY improvement  since he took over?

Genuine  question.

The amounts of shots were conceding every game has gone down dramatically since he’s come in (although we still concede loads through lack of defensive discipline). We’re also creating more and clearly have an attacking shape, it’s just that the players aren’t good enough. 

Edited 16 January by Lionator

[Tom12345]

Obviously disappointing but also get behind the lads and RVN.

 

First half: Everyone was saying it was the best performance of the season. Two defensive lapses yes and we were down 2-0. We have a lot of problems, but we have potential. Just need to get it all right very soon.

[Dickov22]

8 hours ago, fox_favourite said:

Cooper stood a chance, he had the summer. RvN doesn't has hes got players not good enough to play his system and no money to change it. 

 

Anyone who thinks cooper was better need to watch the games again. We were awful tactically, awful setup and the players were frustrated with him. 

 

 

I think the football is a little better under RVN, I haven’t said anywhere Cooper was any better. I just think it’s an impossible job for any Manager to keep a side up who have centre half options of Coady Okoli Vestergaard and Faes plus only one decent striker who is 38. Add the Fatawu and Ricardo injuries, the total loss of form of Justin, the fact we lost our best centre mid in KDH as well. It’s an impossible task.  
 

 

[fox_favourite]

17 minutes ago, Dickov22 said:

I think the football is a little better under RVN, I haven’t said anywhere Cooper was any better. I just think it’s an impossible job for any Manager to keep a side up who have centre half options of Coady Okoli Vestergaard and Faes plus only one decent striker who is 38. Add the Fatawu and Ricardo injuries, the total loss of form of Justin, the fact we lost our best centre mid in KDH as well. It’s an impossible task.  
 

 

I completely agree, the last bit was a general rant . But Cooper had more of a chance than Ruud with the summer transfers, he had the whole preseason to sort it. But the players he wanted didn't improve us. Most were on the bench yesterday. 

 

But I certainly agree with a defence that more or less took us down last time is still there, and that is criminal to allow that to happen. 

[kingpower]

8 hours ago, Claridge said:

We would have had a better chance of staying up under Cooper, awful to watch , but much more effective than this rubbish, the team seems to have no idea what to do even from a throw in

I actually thought that myself last night regarding throw ins. Was getting so frustrated watching all the players run away from the man holding the ball…utter turd

[Dickov22]

5 minutes ago, fox_favourite said:

I completely agree, the last bit was a general rant . But Cooper had more of a chance than Ruud with the summer transfers, he had the whole preseason to sort it. But the players he wanted didn't improve us. Most were on the bench yesterday. 

 

But I certainly agree with a defence that more or less took us down last time is still there, and that is criminal to allow that to happen. 

Did he choose the summer transfers, though? I remember several interviews he gave in pre season saying we didn’t have enough players.

 

Ayew hasn’t been a disaster but Skipp, Okoli are £40m of a total waste of money. 

 

Vardy is also a problem, has been for a few seasons. It’s like none of us are allowed to say it, but he is. He’s the main man which means we never seem to be able to prioritise this position as no striker wants to come here and play second fiddle to him. He’s incredible for his age and clearly our greatest ever, but he cannot press the defence and it affects the whole way we play. To be starting with him week in week out because we have no other viable option is scandalous. 

[Foxmeister]

We have definitely regressed in attack, created very little last night.

[foxfanazer]

8 minutes ago, Foxmeister said:

We have definitely regressed in attack, created very little last night.

Regressed from when? We had 21 attempts with 4 on target last night with an XG of 1.52. surprised if we had more than that combined with Cooper

 

Not defending RVN because it's still not good enough but he didn't build this team and the football is ever so slightly better in my opinion 

Edited 16 January by foxfanazer

[Chelmofox]

6 minutes ago, Foxmeister said:

We have definitely regressed in attack, created very little last night.

Disagree. We had lots of shots (over 20) and 3 missed big chances. 
 

Vardy had a few very good opportunities that he should have taken. Daka came close, Soumare hit the bar and Mavadidi had a header that went just wide. 
 

We created enough. We were just not clinical at the moment. 

[funkyrobot]

9 minutes ago, Foxmeister said:

We have definitely regressed in attack, created very little last night.

We’ve created very little all season. 

[Happy Fox]

We are going down and that’s down to the board get these useless charlatans out now!

[acb]

1 hour ago, Raj said:

Have we seen ANY improvement  since he took over?

Genuine  question.

Quite the opposite. Cooper was working miracles. point per game and scoring in almost everyone. Get him gone