A Call for Change: A Footballing Reset at Leicester City Football Club

[Ricey]

10 hours ago, ozvaldo said:

The thing with the van is - people paid to add a message and contribute getting something off the ground. 
 

It’s easy for all the safe fans who didn’t step up in anyway to start criticizing about what they found “too personal” and “offensive”.  Just **** off. You’re half the problem. 
 

You’ve gotta get a bit personal in this situation to make Top wake up and pay some attention. (Let’s remember, he was off swinging his little wooden polo club on the back of a horse on deadline day). He’s let Rudkin stay in post for too long. - People find the messages ‘offensive’…?  **** off. 
 

We have no issue with King Power being in charge as long as capable people are running the show. However, they’re not. We’ve got that plum, Rudkin and piss-head Whelan ant the wheel.  And some of us are pissed off. 
 

It’s no good sticking with one generic safe and vanilla message. It’s not enough. 
 

That said, if people are seriously offended, get off your arse and do something about it yourself. 

 

I don't think people are criticising anyone for putting themselves out there and getting something off the ground, but it's also ok to call out that some of the messaging on the van is going to discourage people from joining future protests and will make any protest easy to dismiss as petty or causing trouble.

 

A decent bunch will be put off by messaging that feels too personal or too much like a witch hunt. There are also a lot of people, myself included, who have found the current protests far too focussed on Rudkin, when the reality is that Top, Whelan and the whole board share the blame.

 

That doesn't meant to say the messaging has to be safe or vanilla, but if we want more people to get behind the protests going forward, which HAS to happen if we want to force any change, then anyone organising anything has to make sure that as many fans as possible can get behind the messaging.

 

 

[fox in the sox]

2 hours ago, goose2010 said:

You can't just say that though. For every Blackburn there is a Bournemouth, Brentford, Brighton. There are bad owners of course but if you take our last 4 or 5 years we are sleepwalking into being the next Blackburn. 

 

I don't get what it's going to take for fans to look a little deeper and realise how much of a mess we are. It's like have a 50m quid mansion  that everyone is jealous of and letting a load of squatters live in it!

I don’t think there’s a well run club for every bad one. I could run through a long list of disasters such as Man Utd, Spurs, Everton, Chelsea, Southampton, West Brom, Cardiff, Stoke, Birmingham, Sheff Wed, Cardiff, Swansea, Birmingham just off the top of my head.

[goose2010]

30 minutes ago, fox in the sox said:

I don’t think there’s a well run club for every bad one. I could run through a long list of disasters such as Man Utd, Spurs, Everton, Chelsea, Southampton, West Brom, Cardiff, Stoke, Birmingham, Sheff Wed, Cardiff, Swansea, Birmingham just off the top of my head.

Everyone of them premier league clubs are better than ours. 

 

Championship ones and Birmingham I don't know enough about them. 

 

But this isn't my club is better than yours it is we are getting it so wrong (after getting it right for so long!!) so what is going wrong and why ? The problem is the people that are getting it wrong are not being held accountable and the only ones suffering are us fans. 

[CosbehFox]

4 minutes ago, goose2010 said:

Everyone of them premier league clubs are better than ours. 

 

Championship ones and Birmingham I don't know enough about them. 

 

But this isn't my club is better than yours it is we are getting it so wrong (after getting it right for so long!!) so what is going wrong and why ? The problem is the people that are getting it wrong are not being held accountable and the only ones suffering are us fans. 

What struck of me of that list is:-

• Everton - early signs the new owners are better, they were very good on fan relations at Roma and brought the club in the modern world on that. 
• Southampton - poor performances but St Mary's has completely reconfigured to the fans requests with the largest safe standing terrace in the country. 
• Birmingham - now absolutely loving it under new ownership, the owners have pretty much just paid a council bribe to get the new stadium moving along 
• West Brom - new owner has come in, the club has stabilised, one of the reasonably priced clubs in the area. Are they really that bad? They have sort of cruised along like they always have in the top part of the Championship. 

I don't think there is too much discontent at Stoke with the ownership. They have swapped people around behind the scenes and they employ an outright DoF with Jonathan Walters. 

 

That's as good as half. I find Swansea an interesting comparison piece - because I think that's possibly are most likely destiny. They finally employed a DoF in January but the manager is now sacked and the DoF had a good relationship with him from previous workings!

[LFEFox23]

Hopefully @Union FS will be doing another banner on Friday night, similar message to what they did for Arsenal game?

[Daggers]

1 hour ago, Ricey said:

 

I don't think people are criticising anyone for putting themselves out there and getting something off the ground, but it's also ok to call out that some of the messaging on the van is going to discourage people from joining future protests and will make any protest easy to dismiss as petty or causing trouble.

 

The van was nothing to do with the demo though. Different people, different aims, different objectives.

[fox in the sox]

51 minutes ago, goose2010 said:

Everyone of them premier league clubs are better than ours. 

 

Championship ones and Birmingham I don't know enough about them. 

 

But this isn't my club is better than yours it is we are getting it so wrong (after getting it right for so long!!) so what is going wrong and why ? The problem is the people that are getting it wrong are not being held accountable and the only ones suffering are us fans. 

There is no way that the owners of those Premier League clubs have done better than ours. I’m not trying to get into a ‘one club is better than another’ argument, I’m just explaining how many badly run clubs there are which you may not have been aware of as you admit you only know about Premier League clubs.

[fox in the sox]

45 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

What struck of me of that list is:-

• Everton - early signs the new owners are better, they were very good on fan relations at Roma and brought the club in the modern world on that. 
• Southampton - poor performances but St Mary's has completely reconfigured to the fans requests with the largest safe standing terrace in the country. 
• Birmingham - now absolutely loving it under new ownership, the owners have pretty much just paid a council bribe to get the new stadium moving along 
• West Brom - new owner has come in, the club has stabilised, one of the reasonably priced clubs in the area. Are they really that bad? They have sort of cruised along like they always have in the top part of the Championship. 

I don't think there is too much discontent at Stoke with the ownership. They have swapped people around behind the scenes and they employ an outright DoF with Jonathan Walters. 

 

That's as good as half. I find Swansea an interesting comparison piece - because I think that's possibly are most likely destiny. They finally employed a DoF in January but the manager is now sacked and the DoF had a good relationship with him from previous workings!

Stoke were a solid Premier League club for many years but have finished in the bottom half of  the Championship every year since relegation.

West Brom are under restrictions on transfers due to the disastrous Chinese ownership who took out a loan to keep the club going and have only spent money on transfer fees twice in the last 3 years.

[goose2010]

1 minute ago, fox in the sox said:

There is no way that the owners of those Premier League clubs have done better than ours. I’m not trying to get into a ‘one club is better than another’ argument, I’m just explaining how many badly run clubs there are which you may not have been aware of as you admit you only know about Premier League clubs.

i didn't say have done better than ours... currently they are. I would personally swap any of their structures for our current ones. 

 

But hey it really doesnt matter what other clubs do, i just dont want OUR club to continue down the wrong path. Our issue compared to others is quite an easy fix but currently we on yet another collusion course with the iceberg the difference being we have been looking at this iceberg for years and literally done nothing about it other than steer into it!. 

[SemperEadem]

52 minutes ago, LFEFox23 said:

Hopefully @Union FS will be doing another banner on Friday night, similar message to what they did for Arsenal game?

It really needs more than just them. If it is only them all the time the club just view it as a small section who are in the clubs eyes ‘just being them’.

[CosbehFox]

6 minutes ago, fox in the sox said:

Stoke were a solid Premier League club for many years but have finished in the bottom half of  the Championship every year since relegation.

West Brom are under restrictions on transfers due to the disastrous Chinese ownership who took out a loan to keep the club going and have only spent money on transfer fees twice in the last 3 years.

 

I didn’t dispute either. I’m best mates with a Stoke fan. West Brom have a new owner now and despite their previous ownership, did reasonably well 
 

[fox in the sox]

8 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

 

I didn’t dispute either. I’m best mates with a Stoke fan. West Brom have a new owner now and despite their previous ownership, did reasonably well 
 

You said that there is no discontent at Stoke but there definitely is.

You asked West Brom are they that bad? Well yes they are under restrictions and have just had to sell their number one goalkeeper for a small fee - all following on from a 10 year spell in the Premier League.

[bmt]

7 hours ago, dannythefox said:

Yes they’ve not done great in the last few seasons but they employ people to run the club, think yourself lucky when we got taken over we could of had the Blackburn owners and look what they’ve done over the last 10 yrs. 

Just an aside but why is it lucky to not be really unlucky? Just think it's really strange phrasing that is often made by people excusing the club. Not that I'm denying we were of course lucky when Vichai was at the helm.

[Aus Fox]

My wondering at the minute is how many supporters are planning on renewing their season tickets for next year? 
If I knew how to do a poll I’d add one, but I’m fascinated to see, the club appears so far away from the fans and no one I speak to on here, in real life, or on pod casts appears to be enjoying going or anything about the club.

I just read another story about a gentleman who had become ill and won’t be able to go again this season and when he contacted the club about transferring his season ticket he got told no, and he needs to either sell it back to the club or cancel the season ticket. This is a long standing supporters who has become seriously unwell and can’t go… 

We are no longer a part of the club, we are KP customers and they couldn’t give a shit. If I still had my ST there is no way I’d renew, regardless of what division we’re in.

[AKCJ]

13 minutes ago, SemperEadem said:

It really needs more than just them. If it is only them all the time the club just view it as a small section who are in the clubs eyes ‘just being them’.

I don't disagree with you but the club has funnelled the supporters that want to make their voices heard into that corner as much as possible.

 

 

[bmt]

Just now, Aus Fox said:

My wondering at the minute is how many supporters are planning on renewing their season tickets for next year? 
If I knew how to do a poll I’d add one, but I’m fascinated to see, the club appears so far away from the fans and no one I speak to on here, in real life, or on pod casts appears to be enjoying going or anything about the club.

I just read another story about a gentleman who had become ill and won’t be able to go again this season and when he contacted the club about transferring his season ticket he got told no, and he needs to either sell it back to the club or cancel the season ticket. This is a long standing supporters who has become seriously unwell and can’t go… 

We are no longer a part of the club, we are KP customers and they couldn’t give a shit. If I still had my ST there is no way I’d renew, regardless of what division we’re in.

Think this was a thread a few weeks ago. Will tag you

[CosbehFox]

13 minutes ago, fox in the sox said:

You said that there is no discontent at Stoke but there definitely is.

You asked West Brom are they that bad? Well yes they are under restrictions and have just had to sell their number one goalkeeper for a small fee - all following on from a 10 year spell in the Premier League.

But your point about Stoke is meaningless bwvause they haven’t had a takeover. It’s the Coates family still and the perfect example of what could happen at LCFC 

West Brom have been under new ownership for nearly a year now and if anything they are proof that not all takeovers are bad takeovers. 

They are no longer under restrictions - they were at the start of the season due to the legacy of the previous owners. This January made four signings including Adam Armstrong and a highly rated Danish attacking midfielder. There’s a clear change in making sensible signings and a better wage budget.

 

The keeper was sold for £5m. They have a highly rated England under 19 international in the wings, they’ve called back a keeper who was doing well in League 1 and Palmer’s contract was due to expire in 2026. 

[Pliskin]

The only correspondence I get from the club is “can’t attend this week? Sell your ticket”……

 

 

They literally, couldn’t give less of a **** about their fans. 
 

They’ve prioritised financial gain over support. 

[Ricey]

1 hour ago, Daggers said:

The van was nothing to do with the demo though. Different people, different aims, different objectives.

We know that, but the kind of people that any protests need to appeal to don't. The van was parked near the march and had the ProjectReset banner on the back. It looks like the same thing to anyone who isn't on FoxesTalk.

[CrispinLA in Texas]

5 hours ago, Pliskin said:

It just sums up us as a club. I would say there’s still clusters of fans who haven’t actually got a clue about football….. they’re Leicester followers, but couldn’t tell you anything about football. There’s a chap who sits next to me, he couldn’t even name our entire squad, let alone another team’s player…. He also asked me where BDR came from and is he any good because he had never heard of him……

 

I don’t know why this is, do we share a lot of fans win the tigers? Who have just followed Leicester based sports teams because they’re both half decent? I don’t know……. I’ve said for a while the KP is a geriatrics disco, in the 20 odd year span I’ve been going it’s been the same faces with only old age that’s stopped people going. There’s also a real lack of kids where I sit, and one of the few young lads who sits near us often comes in an Arsenal or Man City shirt too. So are we getting as many young fans through the turnstiles as we would like? 
 

There’s probably a science to it, but generally I think the majority of the fan base who attends a match day genuinely thinks we are all okay, and that KP are still descendants of a god, and we’re just having a whoopsie because we’re “liccle Leicester Citeh”…

Think in most sports now people just see it as a nice day out and if the team loses nothing to fuss over and move on to the next game, it's a weekly routine watching the game without thinking to much about it

[Pliskin]

7 minutes ago, CrispinLA in Texas said:

Think in most sports now people just see it as a nice day out and if the team loses nothing to fuss over and move on to the next game, it's a weekly routine watching the game without thinking to much about it

I think you’re right. 

[dannythefox]

5 hours ago, sharpylcfc said:

KPFC loyalist out in force I see. Carry on your blind loyalty to these clowns and you might not have a club to support in 10 years. We need change and your too blind to see it until it too late. Not only are we heading towards our second relegation in 3 years but if it happens then we'll be stuck in the championship for years with the odd visit to League 1 and possibly administration too.

I’m not a loyalist ffs 😂 we do need change though but king power as a whole have been very good for us. The DOF has to go, personally l can’t see the club going up for sale it’s basically tied into to the family with what happened to his dad. Chill your beans lad. 

[fox in the sox]

1 hour ago, CosbehFox said:

But your point about Stoke is meaningless bwvause they haven’t had a takeover. It’s the Coates family still and the perfect example of what could happen at LCFC 

West Brom have been under new ownership for nearly a year now and if anything they are proof that not all takeovers are bad takeovers. 

They are no longer under restrictions - they were at the start of the season due to the legacy of the previous owners. This January made four signings including Adam Armstrong and a highly rated Danish attacking midfielder. There’s a clear change in making sensible signings and a better wage budget.

 

The keeper was sold for £5m. They have a highly rated England under 19 international in the wings, they’ve called back a keeper who was doing well in League 1 and Palmer’s contract was due to expire in 2026. 

The point about Stoke is that they went down and have not been run well enough to get anywhere near returning. Yes this could happen to us but last season we were ran well enough to get straight back up.

[davieG]

Can people stop comparing us to other clubs what does it matter to LCFC fans what they do. 

 

It's how our club is performing now, not 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or 9 years ago both on and off the pitch. By any measure both are appalling and stem from the poor management of the available finances which have been substantial for a club of our size. 

Add to that the way the fans on every measure are treated at best with indifference and mostly with contempt is totally unacceptable and on a personal level not how I would treat any one.

Im

[sharpylcfc]

2 hours ago, SemperEadem said:

It really needs more than just them. If it is only them all the time the club just view it as a small section who are in the clubs eyes ‘just being them’.

Do you ever wonder if people don't protest because of the potential of being banned we all know how this lot work or is it down to pure laziness?