When do we blame the players?

[Wink84]

7 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

Not really sure how you've got to this thought. In the ground they're booed, jeered, sarcastically cheered. On twitter/here, they're slated.

Not in comparison to the board or the managers they haven't been. The occasional player called out, but it's clear that the majority of the squad don't give a shit. Most of them didn't even clap the fans last night. No apologies on social media. Nothing.

[Pita]

The club have put together a bunch of misfits most are only just premiership quality or championship at best 

[Vazman]

They couldn't give a shit about the club, fans, or history of the club, they are just doing the bare minimum, and in some cases not even that.

 

The only thing they're good at is enjoying the pleasurable side of Seagrave, theyre unfit, unmotivated, look like they cant be arsed, weak minded, not prepared to run till the very end, and worse of all no one holds them to account.

 

The only thing this particular team of players are good at is negotiating high wages ( not difficult with generous Jon handling the costs) and collecting the eye watering wages they get for week in week out shit performances.  

[Dan]

They're part of it - we should do something completely radical in the summer and get rid of the lot of them. I don't want anyone associated with this era (which must end in 2025) as a part of the future. Set a standard that this shit won't be tolerated.

[CrispinLA in Texas]

27 minutes ago, Dan said:

They're part of it - we should do something completely radical in the summer and get rid of the lot of them. I don't want anyone associated with this era (which must end in 2025) as a part of the future. Set a standard that this shit won't be tolerated.

We wish...for that to happen Rudkin and Top have to go.

We all know what the route problem is and I've given up because nothings going to change and the football club will continue making the same mistakes.

I'm not even bothered about thinking who's going to replace RVN when he goes. There's to much sh*t hanging around the club and other issues like the lack of coaching and other footballing staff aren't being addressed also

[SemperEadem]

Straight down the tunnel was crap.

[Bert]

The players have a lot to answer for of course they do. They’re the ones that are on the pitch. You can accept someone being individually better, you can accept a team being collectively better. But what you cannot accept is some working harder and wanting it more than you. 

[Spudulike]

Ask Danny Ward about blaming players. Ayew knows about it as well, especially when he was subbed off last night.

[Bert]

1 minute ago, Spudulike said:

Ask Danny Ward about blaming players. Ayew knows about it as well, especially when he was subbed off last night.

But was that because Buonanotte was finally getting some game time? I know the cheer was loud when he came off and I know Buonanotte got a massive cheered when his name was announced but I don’t think there’s that much vitriol in Ayew’s direction. 

[dooflip]

7 hours ago, South Shire Fox said:

The players arent good enough, we know that. Its who is identifying these players and buying them that is the main problem. Whats happened to us buying quality young, hungry players from the Championship we can develop like Maddison instead of Spurs reserve players? We had the chance to sign Olise, Eze, Robinson etc, and we decided to sign more expensive options from elsewhere that were worse

Rudkin also turned down saliba for 6m

[dooflip]

5 hours ago, Dan said:

They're part of it - we should do something completely radical in the summer and get rid of the lot of them. I don't want anyone associated with this era (which must end in 2025) as a part of the future. Set a standard that this shit won't be tolerated.

It’s literally not possible mate. Who wants them? Who will pay their wages?

 

in case you have had your head in the sand, we are up the creek financially so can’t pay them off.

 

we would be left severely in debt with no squad.

 

your idea sucks. But I agree with the sentiment.

[Spudulike]

15 minutes ago, Bert said:

But was that because Buonanotte was finally getting some game time? I know the cheer was loud when he came off and I know Buonanotte got a massive cheered when his name was announced but I don’t think there’s that much vitriol in Ayew’s direction. 

The initial cheer sounded very much sarcastic in a 'at last, get off '  tone, to me.

[ParkerPen]

27 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

The initial cheer sounded very much sarcastic in a 'at last, get off '  tone, to me.

was a bit of both, Ayew was poor, most of us wanted to see Buonanotte get some game time (or start !)

 

bit of both

[splinterdream]

When you see Youri Tielemens giving his all for Villa, and you remember him in our 22/23 season, overweight, lazy, blowing after 45, but getting picked every game, who do you blame?

[Bert]

33 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

When you see Youri Tielemens giving his all for Villa, and you remember him in our 22/23 season, overweight, lazy, blowing after 45, but getting picked every game, who do you blame?

The players caught a lot of criticism during that season, to be fair. 
 

Coming back into the prem this season it would’ve been one of the easier seasons for a newly promoted team to stay up. We can’t blame Youri Tielemans for that. 

[John rayner]

6 hours ago, Pita said:

The club have put together a bunch of misfits most are only just premiership quality or championship at best 

After last night's performance, the are not fit to wear the shirt of LCFC they should be ashamed of themselves 

[splinterdream]

8 minutes ago, Bert said:

The players caught a lot of criticism during that season, to be fair. 
 

Coming back into the prem this season it would’ve been one of the easier seasons for a newly promoted team to stay up. We can’t blame Youri Tielemans for that. 

I literally don’t know the answer to that question. I would have probably blamed the club over the player, Rodger’s said that youri needed to play every week to consistently perform, I suspect when his interest wains, so does his self discipline.

[BenTheFox]

We're already blaming the players. We know they're rubbish. It is ultimately the board's fault as to why we have these players and manager. That's why they should be taking the most heat. 

Edited 22 February by BenTheFox

[fazzyfox]

Fulham away in the relegation season, Youri and Soumare just gave up, stopped chasing and just walked around. Then next match they were handed a shirt, a starting place, that devalued the badge and sent out the wrong message to every player at every level at Seagrave, you can opt to not put a shift in and still keep your place. That was an all time low.

Well that’s happening again, so many replay  frames of goals conceded (I should just say “goals” as there are no other kind) show players not getting back, out of position, so many times last night players hid from responsibility not offering an out ball. If they continue to be picked, again it devalues the badge and what it means to play for our club.

[Wink84]

2 hours ago, Bert said:

But was that because Buonanotte was finally getting some game time? I know the cheer was loud when he came off and I know Buonanotte got a massive cheered when his name was announced but I don’t think there’s that much vitriol in Ayew’s direction. 

If anything more aimed at the manager for finally bringing Buonanotte on. It may not feel like that to Ayew but oh well.

[FLAN]

Their every need catered for at seagrave. Their bank balances inflated way beyond their relative talent. Their continued underperformance endulged by the board who only seek to blame the manager. 
Their lack of accountability reflected amongst each other on the pitch

 

there is no pride at all. Why should there need to be?

 

[Finn Claw II]

It’s top to bottom awful, Owners, CEO, DoF, Manager, players.

 

it reminds me of the mad dog / Holloway period in terms of apathy.  
 

Micky Adam’s PL team had more about them than this team.

[Dmitry]

Well, the manager IS blaming the players: 

“We have to accept that we are in a position where every week we face a better team,” van Nistelrooy said. “We have to prepare a team to be the best we can be. We cannot ask more from ourselves.

“In the end you have to look at performing at the maximum of your capabilities. I cannot ask the players to do more than that.

“With the squad we have, it’s a huge mountain to climb to stay in this league, a huge one. That’s the reality.

“...It’s not fair to have certain expectations. You cannot live up to them. You can only be the best you can be. We’ll see at the end if it’s enough or not."

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ruud-van-nistelrooy-delivers-brutal-9966617

 

If anyone really needs a translation of this into plain-speak, he's indicating that the team is dreck. While it's hard to disagree with anything said by RVN, he must've known about it before taking the job.

Edited 23 February by Dmitry

[Dan]

8 hours ago, dooflip said:

It’s literally not possible mate. Who wants them? Who will pay their wages?

 

in case you have had your head in the sand, we are up the creek financially so can’t pay them off.

 

we would be left severely in debt with no squad.

 

your idea sucks. But I agree with the sentiment.

There are other clubs that would be able to perform this radical overhaul. We will half arse it as ever because we employ incompetent fools at every level.

 

I want a minimum 15 gone in the summer. But it'll be less than half of that.

[Sly]

Ability wise we have players that can play at this level. It’s mentality and dare I say it motivation and guidance that we lack? 
 

Winks, Skipp, Ndidi, Thomas, Kristiansen, Okoli, Vestergaard, Mavididi, Vardy, Daka, Edouard, Buonanotte, Coady, Ricardo, Couibally, Soumare, Reid, Ayew ….. they’ve all played in top level divisions, be it France, England, Spain, Germany or Italy. 

 

We amassed 97 points last season. 
 

The issue we have is that a good proportion of those names, are older and are most likely still carrying the scars of getting relegated in 22/23. Some of them will have been the weakest link in the chain etc. however how many top flight games have this lot got between them before this season? 

 

However when you strip out an entire experienced coaching team, you are going to move backward, in the short term at least. 

 

Maresca and his team had an ethos and mentality that was able to motivate them to put in that extra effort, before you even got onto the pitch. Winning is so much more than just getting the lads to run around for 90 minutes, or train for a few hours per day. 

He will have had a coaching team, looking for those marginal gains that make minuscule differences, but mount up. Be it what studs you wear, the lighting around the changing room, the music at seagrave, the cleaning regime in the canteen, the food that is served, the weight of the kit etc.

 

They’ll all make minor differences, however world class coaches understand this. Those small differences might only add 0.001% to a person in terms of how they think or behave more positively, however they all start to add up. Pep is renowned for it. That is before you even get into his ability tactically.
 

At the moment, we are walking into the pitch, looking defeated before we start. If you don’t believe you can win, how on earth can you make major steps forward. 
 

The issue lies within the culture of the club. Cultures take years to build but can be broken in an instant.
 

We are broken.