Harry Winks Axed

[The Year Of The Fox]

22 minutes ago, indierich06 said:

Why is it bang on? What difference does it make to turn up at training at 9am if you've driven there, or if you've slept at the training ground. It's nonsense. Again, it's a bad manager's idea of stamping authority on the squad. Is it going to make Winks perform better by forcing him in for no apparent reason? It's ludicrous. 

If my manager changed, and performance across the team declined so drastically, I don't think I'd be particularly receptive to him trying to blame performance changes on me not being in the office, it's a load of bollocks tbh.

RVN is trying to stamp his authority on the players. Clearly they f***ing well need it too. 
 

Ruud would’ve learnt from the best in Fergie.

 

Repeating myself here I know, but if Fergie thought it was a bad idea with Beckham 20 years ago, then why should it now not matter, despite sports science having a bigger part to play in football than it did 20 years ago?
 

End of the day, it’s not just about being less tired for training, (which driving or any other form of travelling makes you) but it’s also about discipline, setting an example to others, sacrifices, a senior (ish player) backing the gaffer and getting all the other lads on board with it. Show some commitment to the cause. 
 

 

 

These players are paid astronomical sums of money and lead a life we all dream of. Asking a player to stay at Spagrave once a week, for any reason whatsoever, is a perfectly acceptable request, 3 week old son or not. 

Edited 4 April by The Year Of The Fox

[The_77]

10 hours ago, KFS said:

@The_77 I would actually like to invite you to keep me honest on what I am about to write. Maybe I have been overly Americanised in my approach to work and life, or maybe not. 
 

9 months ago my wife had a baby at the same time I was promoted and changed careers. The money is much better but it meant that after 10 days after birth, I was required to get on a plane and travel for 3 days a week around the Americas, and to be honest I’ve not stopped since then. While my wife was pregnant, I was on a work trip for 10 days in India while she gave me (rightly so) hell for the state I had put her in. 
 

As I read this incident, I genuinely cannot get my head around how completely and utterly shit this guy’s mentality is. You are quite literally the top of the top of your game, playing for an elite club and paid handsomely to do so. You are sacrificing some of the moments others don’t have to for a life they’ll NEVER have. You’re paid on the back of hundreds of thousands of people’s hard earned cash and mental livelihood. 

 

If it isn’t for you Harry, that’s fine, but the life you chose does not afford you the luxury you crave. Not least that but he’s also pulling stunts online to make his point. That, after the sign debacle during the Christmas party. It’s now just pure piss taking. Out of all of us.
 

I haven’t watched our last couple of games enough to say if Ruud’s game management is any good, but it sounds like he’s tried to take a hammer to this shit mentality group at hotel Seagrave. No issue if he goes but we cannot continue with this core of utter losers. 

You’re a top professional, but even better husband and father!

 

This guy really seems to think he’s Pirlo but the Premier League is so obviously beyond him. 
 

The whole culture at the club is so rotten. I’ve talked to former first team management who have told me it’s so much worse than any of us would believe and that managing these players is one of the toughest jobs in the game. 

 

[wurmer]

Problem is, they all probably want to be dropped at the moment - at least, that's what it looks like when they are playing....

[Vowels]

None of them give a toss. Don't give it the headspace. Revisit it once we have a transfer embargo and end up actually playing the kids.

 

 

[Claudio Fannieri]

Honest truth is I think a lot of players have lost their mojo under 2 very poor managerial appointments, I am not excusing the lack of professionalism but to put it into perspective if you are working at a company you love and have really bought into the culture of the current manager and then he leaves and his replacement comes in and immediately lets standards and expectations drop, it’s very easy to become disengaged, it doesn’t matter what you earn etc morale drops and it’s no longer an enjoyable or positive environment to work in, couple that with the fact the new man is then sacked and replaced by somebody equally as inept, it makes for a very unhappy place of work. 
 

As I have said I am not defending anyone associated with the club but the drop off since last season has been huge across all aspects of the club, and that will make for a pretty toxic and negative environment to be around and part of. 

Edited 4 April by Claudio Fannieri

[HankMarvin]

Who is the snitch 

 

[The_77]

19 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

Honest truth is I think a lot of players have lost their mojo under 2 very poor managerial appointments, I am not excusing the lack of professionalism but to put it into perspective if you are working at a company you love and have really bought into the culture of the current manager and then he leaves and his replacement comes in and immediately lets standards and expectations drop, it’s very easy to become disengaged, it doesn’t matter what you earn etc morale drops and it’s no longer an enjoyable or positive environment to work in, couple that with the fact the new man is then sacked and replaced by somebody equally as inept, it makes for a very unhappy place of work. 
 

As I have said I am not defending anyone associated with the club but the drop off since last season has been huge across all aspects of the club, and that will make for a pretty toxic and negative environment to be around and part of. 

Let’s not forget the prior relegation. 

[FosseSpark]

Just some basic rules for me: 

If i'm paying someone £50k a week to perform for me as an athlete to preserve the value of a c£300m value organisation. I'm having them living in whatever ****ing location i want them in and turn up in peak condition whenever asked. There are plenty of spots in the semi professional ranks which pay accordingly.

If the player has just had a kid and/or are having tough personal times then they can have whatever flexibility they need. But, they certainly won't be being put into high pressured situations, if at that point, they need to prioritise their homelife and mental health more so than they do the best outcomes for the team. 

 

[indierich06]

1 hour ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

RVN is trying to stamp his authority on the players. Clearly they f***ing well need it too. 
 

Ruud would’ve learnt from the best in Fergie.

 

Repeating myself here I know, but if Fergie thought it was a bad idea with Beckham 20 years ago, then why should it now not matter, despite sports science having a bigger part to play in football than it did 20 years ago?
 

End of the day, it’s not just about being less tired for training, (which driving or any other form of travelling makes you) but it’s also about discipline, setting an example to others, sacrifices, a senior (ish player) backing the gaffer and getting all the other lads on board with it. Show some commitment to the cause. 
 

 

 

These players are paid astronomical sums of money and lead a life we all dream of. Asking a player to stay at Spagrave once a week, for any reason whatsoever, is a perfectly acceptable request, 3 week old son or not. 

Setting aside the fact that having a newborn son who's a few weeks old is a perfectly acceptable reason to want to commute in - given most people would be on paternity leave (I don't care if he's a footballer, there's people who take home millions a year who still take paternity leave) - do you think the rest of the squad are going to think it's reasonable, or just dick-swinging from a manager who has done precisely nothing to earn the trust or respect of the players? Fergie could do these things because he was successful and the players respected him. Do you think anyone in that squad respects RVN? Seems his style of management is just a load of waffle and falling out with senior players, which he did in the Netherlands too.

 

I mean talk about shooting yourself in the foot - you target a senior and influential player in the squad, you tell him you don't care if he's just had a baby, he needs to stay over one night a week at the training ground (why this makes any difference, who knows - I'll be kind and assume he has at least a half decent case for it). The player doesn't want to, and you publicly fall out with him. Is that going to make the players more or less likely to respect you? The phrase 'pick your battles' comes to mind - this, and the row about Okoli's boots? The bloke is a weirdo, I bet the players take the piss out of him behind his back. 

 

None of it matters because there's not a chance we stay up, but this should be the time when we are creating togetherness and a siege mentality, lead by the manager - I don't really care if they deserve it, do you think hanging your players out to dry publicly is going to do that? The best you can say about him is that he's just trying to stamp his authority on the team and it's not working - I think it's more likely he can see the writing is on the wall and he's just getting his excuses in publicly now so that he can just throw the players under the bus when he's trying to pull the wool over some owner's eyes at the next club he interviews with.

[indierich06]

22 minutes ago, FosseSpark said:

Just some basic rules for me: 

If i'm paying someone £50k a week to perform for me as an athlete to preserve the value of a c£300m value organisation. I'm having them living in whatever ****ing location i want them in and turn up in peak condition whenever asked. There are plenty of spots in the semi professional ranks which pay accordingly.

If the player has just had a kid and/or are having tough personal times then they can have whatever flexibility they need. But, they certainly won't be being put into high pressured situations, if at that point, they need to prioritise their homelife and mental health more so than they do the best outcomes for the team. 

 

Well you've just answered your own question there. Ruud blasting rounds into his own feet yet again.

[RedSoxUK]

"The pair reportedly had a confrontation during the international break after Winks' alleged refusal to stay overnight at the club's training ground once a week. '

 

So at a point during what would have been any regular mans paternity leave. Ruud's a **** honestly.. so called 'family' club right, should actually apologise to Winks and family.

 

[The Year Of The Fox]

13 minutes ago, indierich06 said:

Setting aside the fact that having a newborn son who's a few weeks old is a perfectly acceptable reason to want to commute in - given most people would be on paternity leave (I don't care if he's a footballer, there's people who take home millions a year who still take paternity leave) - do you think the rest of the squad are going to think it's reasonable, or just dick-swinging from a manager who has done precisely nothing to earn the trust or respect of the players? Fergie could do these things because he was successful and the players respected him. Do you think anyone in that squad respects RVN? Seems his style of management is just a load of waffle and falling out with senior players, which he did in the Netherlands too.

 

I mean talk about shooting yourself in the foot - you target a senior and influential player in the squad, you tell him you don't care if he's just had a baby, he needs to stay over one night a week at the training ground (why this makes any difference, who knows - I'll be kind and assume he has at least a half decent case for it). The player doesn't want to, and you publicly fall out with him. Is that going to make the players more or less likely to respect you? The phrase 'pick your battles' comes to mind - this, and the row about Okoli's boots? The bloke is a weirdo, I bet the players take the piss out of him behind his back. 

 

None of it matters because there's not a chance we stay up, but this should be the time when we are creating togetherness and a siege mentality, lead by the manager - I don't really care if they deserve it, do you think hanging your players out to dry publicly is going to do that? The best you can say about him is that he's just trying to stamp his authority on the team and it's not working - I think it's more likely he can see the writing is on the wall and he's just getting his excuses in publicly now so that he can just throw the players under the bus when he's trying to pull the wool over some owner's eyes at the next club he interviews with.

It sounds to me like he’s trying to lead, but the senior players are undermining him over very reasonable requests. 

[Lambert09]

This is a leak directly from Ruud… I doubt he actually cares about this… it’s simply painting the picture that there’s problems at Leicester that are nothing to do with him and it’s an attempt to rescue his PR. 
 

I guarantee you he’s not suddenly trying to save this ship. He chose winks because he had no intention of playing him anyway. 

[old koppite]

2 hours ago, indierich06 said:

I just think it's poor management from him. Hardly going to boost morale or get him playing better is it? It's Ruud trying to come across as a hard man to the rest of his players, absolutely embarrassing from him tbh. Real leaders don't need to do this stuff, and they certainly don't conduct private business in the press. He's clearly trying to frame it as a player issue to cover up for his own deficiencies. The players are shit and their attitude is embarrassing, but RVN has been a total disaster of an appointment.

So  in your pro sport experience how wound you handle it? The whole world  can see that HW has been poor for months, and that potentially he appears to be a much better player than he is showing. RVN played at the very highest level, no one can deny, in 1 of the best MU teams under the best MU manager. However, you make a wild assumption about him being an egoistic bully- how do you know anything about him? 
He’s a poor manager/ coach and we have a crap team and supporters. That doesn’t automatically mean he’s another BR self interest fantasist.  
All I can judge him on is his pressers, which I think he handles very well , and the crap results . 
Personally I think he should be sacked now for the disastrous run , and struggle on with AK and the coaches until end of season with a change in approach of trying to at least score some goals. 

[Footballwipe]

The naysayers posting like Winks has a 9-5 or "normal" job. He's a professional athlete on millions of pounds a year.

 

Stop treating it like it's your dead-end boring corporate shit and realise that this is a team game.

 

Two things can be true. RvN is a shit manager, shit appointment and indicative of the shit decisions we've taken. We're also being taken the piss out of by someone earning so much fvcking money our eyes would water at the thought of staying here one night a week. Some senior people stay in hotels all the time for their employers. Are we having sympathy for them.

 

People on their knees for Winks and flying in front of his bullet are fine, but realise his lack of flexibility says a lot about both him as a person, but also the ingrained shit culture about this club.

[The Year Of The Fox]

9 minutes ago, Footballwipe said:

The naysayers posting like Winks has a 9-5 or "normal" job. He's a professional athlete on millions of pounds a year.

 

Stop treating it like it's your dead-end boring corporate shit and realise that this is a team game.

 

Two things can be true. RvN is a shit manager, shit appointment and indicative of the shit decisions we've taken. We're also being taken the piss out of by someone earning so much fvcking money our eyes would water at the thought of staying here one night a week. Some senior people stay in hotels all the time for their employers. Are we having sympathy for them.

 

People on their knees for Winks and flying in front of his bullet are fine, but realise his lack of flexibility says a lot about both him as a person, but also the ingrained shit culture about this club.

👏🏼 

[The Year Of The Fox]

1 hour ago, RedSoxUK said:

"The pair reportedly had a confrontation during the international break after Winks' alleged refusal to stay overnight at the club's training ground once a week. '

 

So at a point during what would have been any regular mans paternity leave. Ruud's a **** honestly.. so called 'family' club right, should actually apologise to Winks and family.

 

And at FT Monday night we’ll have forum members complaining about how soft and overindulged our players are.  

Edited 4 April by The Year Of The Fox

[Zear0]

The amount of moaning from the squad and staff when Puel made them train more suggests fixing this kind attitude isn't going to happen overnight and that RvN isn't the person to fix it.

[Richmondfox]

That’s his reason for not picking him for the Man City game. So what’s his excuse for not picking him and carrying on with the donkeys Soumare & Faes after countless poor performances and mistakes that cost us goals
 

[Kitchandro]

Personally I think players should live in the area. It’s a local sports team, you’re supposed to representing the community.

 

Footballers have an immensely privileged lifestyle without contributing anything tangible to society. The mitigation is that they’re supposed to be inspiring the local community.

 

If you don’t fancy living in or around the city, you’re essentially disrespecting it and you’re certainly not connecting with it. I’ve said it before, a club without pride in itself is worthless. The players aren’t proud to be a part of it.

Edited 4 April by Kitchandro

[Corky]

Footballers must know that the vast majority of them will have careers that take them around the country. Uprooting isn't easy but I would expect a club to put pressure on to be available as much as possible so the likelihood is that you move nearer to the club.

 

The ownership have to be so much firmer.

[damolcfc]

And what's stopping Mrs and baby staying over too?  

He has them with him win win ??

 

*the word win.... apologies if this upsets anybody 

[dooflip]

I just want to clarify that paternity leave in any job iirc is 2 weeks, unless it has changed in the last 2 years.

 

A proper manager would have come in and addressed the players on whether they were 100% committed to the cause. Those who weren’t could have trained away from the first team.

Those who committed could have also had conditions like living together at sea grave until the end of the season etc. all things that create a siege mentality.

Yes many would have opted out and we’d have had to make up the numbers with kids, that would have been fine, and I can guarantee we’d have not only seen more passionate displays, but a higher points total too.

 

[Skidmark]

So many ridiculous takes about Fatherhood here. 

 

Bloke's wife has not long given birth. Have a bit of humanity. 
 

What is one night at the training ground going to achieve? What's Ruud planning? A game of soggy biscuit? 

 

[The Year Of The Fox]

1 minute ago, Skidmark said:

So many ridiculous takes about Fatherhood here. 

 

Bloke's wife has not long given birth. Have a bit of humanity. 
 

What is one night at the training ground going to achieve? What's Ruud planning? A game of soggy biscuit? 

 

Laughing at your first two sentences, not the last