Sean Dyche

[orangecity23]

I think there is a lot more thought and debate going on into the choice of our next manager in this thread than will go into whatever course of action the club takes in the summer. They'll sit down, phone the one agent they know, wait to see if anyone applies, then give it to the first person they speak to who can talk a good game at an interview. It's the equivalent of being in the supermarket at 7pm buying your dinner. If they choose Sean Dyche, it' not out of any grand plan, he's a "that'll do" choice in the same way a ready meal or a frozen pizza would be.

[kingfox]

35 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Nor has he been massively proactive in the nucleus of his squad improvement year on year being exclusively younger players. 

Nothing wrong with having midfield options consisting of Joey Barton, David Jones, Scott Arfield and Dean Marney 

 

No nonsense Ric. 

[Ric Flair]

3 minutes ago, kingfox said:

Nothing wrong with having midfield options consisting of Joey Barton, David Jones, Scott Arfield and Dean Marney 

 

No nonsense Ric. 

And if faced with an injury crisis in midfield he could always stick Michael Duff in to sit in front and keep it steady. 

[HankMarvin]

24 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Gordon soon got that transfer request in when Dyche turned up 

Some top tier waffle tonight 

 

Anthony Gordon has joined Newcastle United for an undisclosed fee. The 21-year-old forward leaves Everton after having submitted a formal transfer request. Gordon joined the Club's Academy at the age of 11 and made his senior debut as a 16-year-old in a Europa League tie in December 2017.

29 Jan 2023

Chelsea unsettled him the year before with a £45m offer that was rejected.

 

On 30 January 2023, Dyche was appointed manager of Premier League club Everton on a two-and-a-half-year contract, replacing Frank Lampard.

[kingfox]

3 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

And if faced with an injury crisis in midfield he could always stick Michael Duff in to sit in front and keep it steady. 

You sure you don’t want Michael Kightly and Robbie Brady whipping balls into the box instead of Mavididi and Fatawu 🤔

[CosbehFox]

15 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

Some top tier waffle tonight 

 

Anthony Gordon has joined Newcastle United for an undisclosed fee. The 21-year-old forward leaves Everton after having submitted a formal transfer request. Gordon joined the Club's Academy at the age of 11 and made his senior debut as a 16-year-old in a Europa League tie in December 2017.

29 Jan 2023

Chelsea unsettled him the year before with a £45m offer that was rejected.

 

On 30 January 2023, Dyche was appointed manager of Premier League club Everton on a two-and-a-half-year contract, replacing Frank Lampard.

Got the scent of Dyche’s appointment, straight out of the door 

[CosbehFox]

26 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

Ok mate nothing to doing with him being a mascot at 4 and fan of Blackburn in 2008 and the family all being massive fans and having 2 sons play for the club

A clear early affiliation with the club 4 years before Dyche was manager of Burnley. Only takes a minute to google.

Thats Dyches fault for the identity he gave Burnley in the future 

 

I was using Blackburn as a comparable academy in the same areas who have the record of bringing players from their academy to the first team and therefore other young players in the area are more likely to join Blackburn than Burnley who have minimal record thanks to Dyche’s ignorance on youth products 

[HankMarvin]

25 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Got the scent of Dyche’s appointment, straight out of the door 

1 year prior

Anthony Gordon 'was desperate' to join Chelsea and move was 'quite close

Edited 12 May 2025 by HankMarvin

[HankMarvin]

13 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

I was using Blackburn as a comparable academy in the same areas who have the record of bringing players from their academy to the first team and therefore other young players in the area are more likely to join Blackburn than Burnley who have minimal record thanks to Dyche’s ignorance on youth products 

Geographically yes, but Blackburn also have spent the last 13 years in the championship and league one, not quite as cut throat as bedding in youngsters in the prem trying to avoid relegation.

Burnley is also in a catchment area with Manchester United and Liverpool and Leeds.

Instead of thinking, Dyche was the reason why they didn’t get players, maybe just maybe being in the prem for 7 odd years back to back attracted more young kids to the club. Under Dyche they went from nearly falling out of academy grading level 3 to working towards elite status from 2016 to 2020

Edited 12 May 2025 by HankMarvin

[Vindaloo FOX]

9 hours ago, dsr-burnley said:

(ahem) Chris Wood?    

 

Also Ashley Barnes, Danny Ings, Andre Gray, Sam Vokes.  He knows how to turn decent forwards into good forwards, and perhaps if he was given good forwards he could turn them into excellent ones.

 

He also turned Scott Arfield and George Boyd into PL players.  Give him a better starting point and you might finish with a better finishing point.

You can add Troy Deeney to that list also, he got him smashing goals at Watford. He must have helped the likes of Trippiers development also i feel.

Edited 13 May 2025 by Vindaloo FOX

[accessory]

1 hour ago, Vindaloo FOX said:

You can add Troy Deeney to that list also, he got him smashing goals at Watford. He must have helped the likes of Trippiers development also i feel.

Think Gianfranco Zola (among many others) had rather more to do with Deeney's development at Watford..

 

Meanwhile,Trippier came through Man City's academy before being snapped up by Spurs, so is likely to have learned far more at those clubs than at Burnley.

[Vindaloo FOX]

21 minutes ago, accessory said:

Think Gianfranco Zola (among many others) had rather more to do with Deeney's development at Watford..

 

Meanwhile,Trippier came through Man City's academy before being snapped up by Spurs, so is likely to have learned far more at those clubs than at Burnley.

They both speak very highly of Dyche, Trippier called him straight after winning La Liga.

 

Tripper played 145 times for Burnley the most he's played for any club, I'm pretty confident he learned alot there.

 

I'm not saying Dyche should take credit for their career but he's played his part.

 

 

[Claudio Fannieri]

4 hours ago, HankMarvin said:

Geographically yes, but Blackburn also have spent the last 13 years in the championship and league one, not quite as cut throat as bedding in youngsters in the prem trying to avoid relegation.

Burnley is also in a catchment area with Manchester United and Liverpool and Leeds.

Instead of thinking, Dyche was the reason why they didn’t get players, maybe just maybe being in the prem for 7 odd years back to back attracted more young kids to the club. Under Dyche they went from nearly falling out of academy grading level 3 to working towards elite status from 2016 to 2020

Sorry have to disagree there I live in the North West, it’s a great catchment area for academy talent and the likes of Preston, Blackburn and Burnley tend to have the opportunity to hoover up the academy releases from the big Merseyside and Manchester clubs, so sorry the whole he had nothing to work with argument is flawed. 
 

The reality is he has a preferrred profile of player and young academy players don’t necessarily fill that requirement, it’s not a criticism, however it’s a massive red flag given where we are and we in entering a golden era in regards to the quality of player we are producing. 
 

Appointing Dyche at this juncture would be a massive own goal and set the club  and most likely our whole academy programme back years. Would I be shocked and surprised if our board went down this route, no because I don’t think they have much of a strategy or continuity, but going down this route would be such a foolish move. 

[accessory]

7 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

We have a golden generation of academy players, we've played the long game of our prowess over the last decade as the most successful midlands team this century and we're seeing that with the talent we have developed, not because we invested millions on such players aged 14-17 but recruiting them at a much younger age as we became the trusted club to come to as we were becoming the best. Having the vision to build the most incredible facilities, a decent record of producing Chilwell, Barnes, KDH and a few others and winning trophies at first team level for the size of this club which defies modern football.

 

Sadly this is happening at a time when our club is declining but now more than ever we need to have the bravery to play them. Maybe you can't play as many when fighting for your lives in the PL but by the same token had we not generated over £120m in player sales on Chilwell, Barnes and KDH then this club would be in even more of a dire financial mess than it currently is. We simply have to deliver on what we've built. Buying low and selling high is literally the only way a club like us right now prospers and we have an opportunity of not needing to buy as many new players if we have the faith in using Nelson, Aluko, Alves, Page, Monga, Evans et al. There's others coming too, dismiss the importance of this at your peril and be complicit in our further demise.

 

Didn't think this was the place to see such touching faith in Jon Rudkin, but there we are.. 😯

 

Some of us recall a time, long before Seagrave, when the academy was regularly competing for honours (something that hasn't happened at City for a while) and also seeing a stream of players  - including Andy King, Joe Mattock and this forum's very own Ashley Chambers - fast-tracked into the first team in exactly the same way as is being demanded now.

 

Unfortunately chronic mismanagement by the club hierarchy at the time ensured that this coincided with our descent into League 1.

 

Do we really want to see history repeat itself?

 

It's argued that Seagrave is showing signs of becoming the English equivalent of La Masia.  But the hard evidence to back up such extravagant claims is to date pretty scant.

 

The incoming manager, whoever he may be, must consider whether the likes of Monga, Alves and others are yet capable of dealing with the challenges presented by cold, wet midweek nights at Stoke, Hull, Millwall and all the other lower-league dumps that lie in wait for us next season.

 

Given the ongoing financial pressures on the club, which will only worsen outside the top flight, it's incredibly naïve to suggest that youth development should take priority over results.

[trooky]

1 hour ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

Sorry have to disagree there I live in the North West, it’s a great catchment area for academy talent and the likes of Preston, Blackburn and Burnley tend to have the opportunity to hoover up the academy releases from the big Merseyside and Manchester clubs, so sorry the whole he had nothing to work with argument is flawed. 
 

The reality is he has a preferrred profile of player and young academy players don’t necessarily fill that requirement, it’s not a criticism, however it’s a massive red flag given where we are and we in entering a golden era in regards to the quality of player we are producing. 
 

Appointing Dyche at this juncture would be a massive own goal and set the club  and most likely our whole academy programme back years. Would I be shocked and surprised if our board went down this route, no because I don’t think they have much of a strategy or continuity, but going down this route would be such a foolish move. 

Totally agree with this regarding the talent pool available in the North West released from Manchester or Merseyside. 

 

 It's how they git Dwight McNeil. 

Edited 13 May 2025 by trooky

[Claudio Fannieri]

Oh and another thing if people hate how inflexible and one dimensional the football was/is under Puel, Brendan, Enzo, Ruud and what it would be like under Brussel, well Dyche ball is even worse, people comparing him to Pearson couldn’t be further from the truth, Pearson trusted young players and his teams played some pretty decent football. 
 

The only similarity between Dyche and Pearson is they are straight talking and no nonsense but they are worlds apart in their philosophy’s. Dyche is ideal for a club in a battle or a smaller club wanting to punch above their weight, but for a supposedly forward thinking club with world class training facilities and an exceptional crop of academy players breaking through then Dyche is not the answer, it’s like replacing Enzo with Steve fecking Cooper, I mean which hair brained duo would ever make that masterstroke of a decision 😂

[Ric Flair]

31 minutes ago, accessory said:

Didn't think this was the place to see such touching faith in Jon Rudkin, but there we are.. 😯

 

Some of us recall a time, long before Seagrave, when the academy was regularly competing for honours (something that hasn't happened at City for a while) and also seeing a stream of players  - including Andy King, Joe Mattock and this forum's very own Ashley Chambers - fast-tracked into the first team in exactly the same way as is being demanded now.

 

Unfortunately chronic mismanagement by the club hierarchy at the time ensured that this coincided with our descent into League 1.

 

Do we really want to see history repeat itself?

 

It's argued that Seagrave is showing signs of becoming the English equivalent of La Masia.  But the hard evidence to back up such extravagant claims is to date pretty scant.

 

The incoming manager, whoever he may be, must consider whether the likes of Monga, Alves and others are yet capable of dealing with the challenges presented by cold, wet midweek nights at Stoke, Hull, Millwall and all the other lower-league dumps that lie in wait for us next season.

 

Given the ongoing financial pressures on the club, which will only worsen outside the top flight, it's incredibly naïve to suggest that youth development should take priority over results.

That's quite an agenda. Our failures in the mid 00's were as a result of us bringing through academy players? 

 

Prioritising academy development over results does not have to be mutually exclusive, and yes maybe the wording from some of our fans makes it seem so. But the reasoning for doing so is far more reaching. As I've said, the successful model that any club like ours is currently in to progress and rebuild is to buy low, on modest wages and sell high. To have excellent scouting and succession planning. Having an academy that can provide a chunk of such players and the fact they are pure profit if and when they are moved on at the right time is a major advantage.

 

I repeat, the financial mess this club is in already in is uncomfortable, caused by the vast wages and transfers wasted with an inability to move such players on and off the field structure in recruitment and innovation seldom working. Yet had we not been able to bring through the likes of Chilwell, Barnes and KDH just think how much worse a position we'd be in without that £120m pure profit. Maybe we'd not be, perhaps you're looking at it that these excellent products raise too much funds for us to then waste and overall we become worse off 😂

 

I know I'm being slightly facetious there and you state that it was the chronic mismanagement that saw our decline, that's the point. Linking that to academy players I just cannot agree with. 

 

By the way, we won the U16 league last season which Monga, Evans, Page and a few others players starred in. Those involved in the academy will tell you it's the current players aged 13-17 coming through where there's talent pool like we've not seen before/for quite some time. Built the ethos and platform for these players to come through and we limit the likes of Trey Nyoni and Tyrese Noubissie leaving before they break through in to the first team.

 

And finally, whilst that period was horrific for us in 2005-2009 the brightest sparks were a causation of the likes of Mattock, Stearman, Wesolowski, King, Gradel and Schlupp coming through. Many of these went on to be PL players and I'd level the blame far more at the experienced players during that era that badly let us down, but also wasn't their fault they were paid vast money by a clueless board in a culture that had fell apart at this club.

 

So yes, being a club that one of its main priorities is bringing through academy players is paramount. I do not entertain it's a causation of failure.

[jim5000]

I can’t believe that many on here are advocating to bring in Shaun Dinosaur Dyche 

[dooflip]

I’m not inspired by Dyche, nor do I want him as manager. I’ve been quite clear on numerous threads what our new manager looks like - mainly just not Dyche, Martin etc.

 

But, something I feel we need to do regardless of who comes in, is support the manager and get behind him until it is no longer feasible to do so.

 

The club is a mess, the hierarchy and the squad are the issue. The fans are most definitely not, and have been shafted for a few years now.

 

But…

And this is me being reflective…

We do have a habit of turning quite early.

Not a criticism, just an observation, one I am guilty of.

 

If we are really honest, we never gave cooper a chance, and in a way it forced the boards hand.

 

Now, cooper should have never been here in the first place, I’m sure we can all agree. The board messed up and were naive and short sighted and lazy.

 

But the daggers were out from

the start and I don’t think there was any way he could be successful.

 

If it is Dyche, which I hope it isn’t, we need to try and be a bit patient and just see what the next few months hold. There are certainly some positives to be found in his coaching history, many which people on here have pointed out, leading to many people actually wanting him in.

Everton has been a mess for ages. Yes many will point to the transformation under moyes, but it’s important to remember that Moyes return coincided with an absolute loon of an owner walking out the door. It’s a new dawn at Everton, which I think has been part of their uptick in performances.

[Tommy Fresh]

Forgot Dyche signed Barton, for that alone it's a hard pass

[Vindaloo FOX]

22 minutes ago, jim5000 said:

I can’t believe that many on here are advocating to bring in Shaun Dinosaur Dyche 

You mean Ginger Mourinho 

[Trav Le Bleu]

/thread 

 

[ian__marshall]

8 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

As I've just said, this unique position we are in probably rules out a massive chunk of otherwise likely candidates. The mandate is to have the bravery to build a team around 4-5 emerging academy players and have the philosophy that won't waiver. Almost like Enzo and Brussell in their playing style whatever pressure they come under, but on the nucleus of players they have the belief in developing. 

 

Dyche might fancy that, but what evidence could he draw against that's credible?

This a good point @Ric Flair and something some of the most successful club's have been great at over the years, i.e. developing a generation of players through the academy system playing a specific way then having the faith to transition them to the first team.

 

Speaking from personal experience, playing with the same group of players from a very young age right through is massively advantageous. It gives you an understanding that you simply can't buy. Every touch, pass, or play is a fraction ahead of playing with equally talented players who have been thrown together. You become almost telepathic, and I'm convinced it played a huge role in why Barca and Spain dominated football for so long. 

 

You have made a very valid point that I had probably overlooked regarding Dyche although I'll caveat that with he is a bit of an unknown entity in this regard as I agree with others that he hasn't ever had such talent at his disposal. 

 

Re: Dyche - I suppose it very much depends on the lens through which you view him. I personally see many traits I think would work here and believe he'd slot in well from a cultural perspective, I.e. no nonsense, decent, hardworking, bloke. Characteristics that I think resonate with most people from the city and county. I'll add that the remit is 100% promotion next season. Do I think he'd achieve that even with a points deduction? Absolutely. Had you offered me Scott Parker the year we appointed Enzo, I'd have been violently sick, and probably done the digital equivalent to burning my season ticket, but the standard is so low and the gulf so wide that he has comfortably navigated a poor Burnley side to promotion. 

 

Again, to play devil's advocate, let's not forget that Dyche was the man to keep Everton up at our expense the season we were originally relegated. I imagine a lot on here would say BR is light years ahead of Dyche, yet had we appointed Dyche at the time, most likely it would have been Everton that dropped and not us and whilst they will now go on to reap the benefits of their new stadium we remain in ours with expansion plans unlikely, a significantly weaker squad, and yo-yoing between divisions. 

 

I'm not saying Dyche is the answer, but he is in my view a proven entity regardless of whether he's your cup of tea or not. 

[Ric Flair]

2 minutes ago, ian__marshall said:

This a good point @Ric Flair and something some of the most successful club's have been great at over the years, i.e. developing a generation of players through the academy system playing a specific way then having the faith to transition them to the first team.

 

Speaking from personal experience, playing with the same group of players from a very young age right through is massively advantageous. It gives you an understanding that you simply can't buy. Every touch, pass, or play is a fraction ahead of playing with equally talented players who have been thrown together. You become almost telepathic, and I'm convinced it played a huge role in why Barca and Spain dominated football for so long. 

 

You have made a very valid point that I had probably overlooked regarding Dyche although I'll caveat that with he is a bit of an unknown entity in this regard as I agree with others that he hasn't ever had such talent at his disposal. 

 

Re: Dyche - I suppose it very much depends on the lens through which you view him. I personally see many traits I think would work here and believe he'd slot in well from a cultural perspective, I.e. no nonsense, decent, hardworking, bloke. Characteristics that I think resonate with most people from the city and county. I'll add that the remit is 100% promotion next season. Do I think he'd achieve that even with a points deduction? Absolutely. Had you offered me Scott Parker the year we appointed Enzo, I'd have been violently sick, and probably done the digital equivalent to burning my season ticket, but the standard is so low and the gulf so wide that he has comfortably navigated a poor Burnley side to promotion. 

 

Again, to play devil's advocate, let's not forget that Dyche was the man to keep Everton up at our expense the season we were originally relegated. I imagine a lot on here would say BR is light years ahead of Dyche, yet had we appointed Dyche at the time, most likely it would have been Everton that dropped and not us and whilst they will now go on to reap the benefits of their new stadium we remain in ours with expansion plans unlikely, a significantly weaker squad, and yo-yoing between divisions. 

 

I'm not saying Dyche is the answer, but he is in my view a proven entity regardless of whether he's your cup of tea or not. 

I don't disagree with you with some of what Dyche " could " do here but I'll go back to my point about systematic change. That's bigger than any manager, but I simply cannot accept nothing changes off the field in that department and if Dyche is appointed and everything else remains the same, then what? If we did get some serious change and we'd appointed Dyche already, is that also an aligned fit? 

 

It just feels this is a huge succession of decisions required with far too many unknowns. The same could obviously be said about a manager with a philosophy for bringing through youth but everything else around them stays the same, it's perspective and perhaps I'm ignorant to the principles I identify with for my football club. Bottom line I want major change, I'm a massive hypocrite though in what that looks like.

[ceebeefox]

1 hour ago, accessory said:

Didn't think this was the place to see such touching faith in Jon Rudkin, but there we are.. 😯

 

Some of us recall a time, long before Seagrave, when the academy was regularly competing for honours (something that hasn't happened at City for a while) and also seeing a stream of players  - including Andy King, Joe Mattock and this forum's very own Ashley Chambers - fast-tracked into the first team in exactly the same way as is being demanded now.

 

Unfortunately chronic mismanagement by the club hierarchy at the time ensured that this coincided with our descent into League 1.

 

Do we really want to see history repeat itself?

 

It's argued that Seagrave is showing signs of becoming the English equivalent of La Masia.  But the hard evidence to back up such extravagant claims is to date pretty scant.

 

The incoming manager, whoever he may be, must consider whether the likes of Monga, Alves and others are yet capable of dealing with the challenges presented by cold, wet midweek nights at Stoke, Hull, Millwall and all the other lower-league dumps that lie in wait for us next season.

 

Given the ongoing financial pressures on the club, which will only worsen outside the top flight, it's incredibly naïve to suggest that youth development should take priority over results.

Using your analogy, so pleased we’re not visiting the upper league dumps of Bournemouth, Brentford and Brighton next year.