General News Thread

[CrazyKopCorner]

15 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

He's a national leader. Seems to be on trend.

Que? 

[CrazyKopCorner]

13 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Thinking about this...

 

Isn't it amazing how so many are calling for Starmer to resign, even in his own party, over the Mandelson appointment...

 

Compared to the lack of clamour in the US Senate given all the things Trump has done?

Both should go. 

 

Starmers performance yesterday was excruciating - He clearly has metal health conditions / personality disorders  

[CornwallFox]

18 minutes ago, CrazyKopCorner said:

Both should go. 

 

Starmers performance yesterday was excruciating - He clearly has metal health conditions / personality disorders  

Haven't seen it but I have seen it hasn't gone down well.

 

If he's going to go down for it he might as well go down swinging and point out the Boris Johnson also failed to pass security vetting but was still made foreign secretary. Apparently that's less important than an ambassador. 

[CrazyKopCorner]

6 minutes ago, CornwallFox said:

Haven't seen it but I have seen it hasn't gone down well.

 

If he's going to go down for it he might as well go down swinging and point out the Boris Johnson also failed to pass security vetting but was still made foreign secretary. Apparently that's less important than an ambassador. 

I didn't realise Ministers were vetted? 

 

Boris awful as well of course.  

 

 

 

 

[Jon the Hat]

10 minutes ago, CornwallFox said:

Haven't seen it but I have seen it hasn't gone down well.

 

If he's going to go down for it he might as well go down swinging and point out the Boris Johnson also failed to pass security vetting but was still made foreign secretary. Apparently that's less important than an ambassador. 

Boris was an elected MP, so not sure that follows.

[Jon the Hat]

3 minutes ago, CrazyKopCorner said:

I didn't realise Ministers were vetted? 

 

Boris awful as well of course.  

Boris is an arse, but not as far as we know a best buddy of Epstein or in bed with the Chinese.

[kenny]

10 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

Boris is an arse, but not as far as we know a best buddy of Epstein or in bed with the Chinese.

Robbins has confirmed the failed vetting had nothing to do with Epstein....

 

His letter does not reflect well on the Cabinet Office's decision making.

[CrazyKopCorner]

Starmer threw him under a bus and then drove over him several times yesterday. 

 

Olly Robins is throwing Starmer off of a cliff today. 

 

Starmer has gone - There's no way back from this. 

 

Labour MPs must move to remove him ASAP 

 

 

[CrazyKopCorner]

1 minute ago, kenny said:

Robbins has confirmed the failed vetting had nothing to do with Epstein....

 

His letter does not reflect well on the Cabinet Office's decision making.

.... wasn't sure if Maddelson would be vetted. No inital direction from No. 10 

 

Already a done deal. 

 

Pressure to appoint. 

 

Starmer is toast 

 

Fair play to Robbins in the 1st 5 minutes he's had Starmers trousers down 

[kenny]

2 minutes ago, CrazyKopCorner said:

.... wasn't sure if Maddelson would be vetted. No inital direction from No. 10 

 

Already a done deal. 

 

Pressure to appoint. 

 

Starmer is toast 

 

Fair play to Robbins in the 1st 5 minutes he's had Starmers trousers down 

Im sure the tax-payer funded pay-off, he will no doubt be due, will be well spent.

 

Plenty more tax-payers cash where that came from!

[st albans fox]

13 minutes ago, CrazyKopCorner said:

Starmer threw him under a bus and then drove over him several times yesterday. 

 

Olly Robins is throwing Starmer off of a cliff today. 

 

Starmer has gone - There's no way back from this. 

 

Labour MPs must move to remove him ASAP 

 

 

I think he was toast before today 

he’s completely charred now 

 

question is 

who is next ? 
 

that’s a big worry because as poor as Starmer has been the alternatives hardly inspire any confidence!

[kenny]

1 minute ago, st albans fox said:

I think he was toast before today 

he’s completely charred now 

 

question is 

who is next ? 
 

that’s a big worry because as poor as Starmer has been the alternatives hardly inspire any confidence!

I'd rather he stayed at this point in time.

[st albans fox]

2 minutes ago, kenny said:

I'd rather he stayed at this point in time.

It’s gone too far

given the alternatives look worse than him I’d agree with you 

 

but he’s lost the confidence of his party and the house (and he’d already lost the country) 

 

there comes a point where there is no going back and I think we passed it yesterday afternoon 

this morning is just accelerating the decision 
 

he has jobs to do and he’s spending time he doesn’t have trying to save his position.  The momentum (no pun intended) will take over now. 

it’s just when, not if. 

[kenny]

1 minute ago, st albans fox said:

It’s gone too far

given the alternatives look worse than him I’d agree with you 

 

but he’s lost the confidence of his party and the house (and he’d already lost the country) 

 

there comes a point where there is no going back and I think we passed it yesterday afternoon 

this morning is just accelerating the decision 
 

he has jobs to do and he’s spending time he doesn’t have trying to save his position.  The momentum (no pun intended) will take over now. 

it’s just when, not if. 

If he goes and he does come accross particularly badly at times, I would make him Foreign Secretary I think.

[CrazyKopCorner]

15 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

I think he was toast before today 

he’s completely charred now 

 

question is 

who is next ? 
 

that’s a big worry because as poor as Starmer has been the alternatives hardly inspire any confidence!

Spot on. 

 

Andy Burnham seems a decent bloke but that's about it 

 

The rest are a shambles - the whole cabinet and Rainer (god forbid) would be a disaster 

[Tommy G]

Suspect this thread will be moderated soon, far too much support of binning KS which won't go down well.

[leicsmac]

The only figure across any of the political landscape (including all parties) that seems to appear to be suitable is Burnham. 

 

Not sure what the mechanics involved would be to get him in, though. 

[kenny]

9 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

Suspect this thread will be moderated soon, far too much support of binning KS which won't go down well.

Can we promote him JR style?

 

He has done such a good job as PM he deserves a promotion into a role more befit of his skills that will take him away from the day to day responsibilities of being in charge of anything.

[Innovindil]

Beyond wanting to blame the civil servant or the prime minister for this mess... How on earth do we have a process in place that is supposed to keep wrong uns out of powerful positions that is somehow open to interpretation?

 

How the hell can Starmer and Robbins both think they are right? How on earth is our system of checks not absolutely ironclad black and white? 

[Zear0]

1 hour ago, Jon the Hat said:

Boris is an arse, but not as far as we know a best buddy of Epstein or in bed with the Chinese.

Only Lord Lebedev

[Wycombe Fox]

I can't believe that Mandelson was even considered for any post for anything approaching importance given his history and connections.

 

Starmer should be clearing his desk today.

[kenny]

Morgan McSweeney sounds like a right scumbag in fairness. SKS sold his soul to the devil bringing him and and giving him any power.

[CrazyKopCorner]

1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

It’s gone too far

given the alternatives look worse than him I’d agree with you 

 

but he’s lost the confidence of his party and the house (and he’d already lost the country) 

 

there comes a point where there is no going back and I think we passed it yesterday afternoon 

this morning is just accelerating the decision 
 

he has jobs to do and he’s spending time he doesn’t have trying to save his position.  The momentum (no pun intended) will take over now. 

it’s just when, not if. 

Yes the derisory laughter yesterday said it all. 

 

He lost the country a long time ago, the opposition benches have lost all respect for him and he has now lost the party. 

 

Once you've completely lost Parliament there's no coming back. 

 

Just whether Labour want him to limp on to the Local Elections in which their total Wipeout can be blamed on him - like firing into a dead body

[leicsmac]

28 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

Beyond wanting to blame the civil servant or the prime minister for this mess... How on earth do we have a process in place that is supposed to keep wrong uns out of powerful positions that is somehow open to interpretation?

 

How the hell can Starmer and Robbins both think they are right? How on earth is our system of checks not absolutely ironclad black and white? 

There's a lot of something in this, too.

[Clogger_]

Poor judgement to appoint Mandelson. Nobody will argue with that (despite widespread praise for the decision at the time.)

 

Lots of frothing anger on this thread about "lying" and suchlike, but I'm seeing the square root of no evidence of that at all. It seems like entrenched anti-Labour and/or anti-Starmer folks getting excited about nothing at all. Confirmation bias. RW (and hard LW!) echo chamber stuff.

 

Starmer won't make it to the next election, but this won't be the reason!

Edited 21 April by Clogger_