General News Thread

[kenny]

8 minutes ago, Robo61 said:

Not really leaders pretty much have to say this until the deed is done,  pretty much the same as leaders saying they will not resign until the very minute they do.  

Going with reform after repeatedly stating she wouldn't over and over again would be resigning.

[Robo61]

4 minutes ago, kenny said:

Going with reform after repeatedly stating she wouldn't over and over again would be resigning.

I am not sure you understand how politics works.

[RonnieTodger]

Looking forward to Burnham becoming the most hated man in Britain for no reason

[orangecity23]

55 minutes ago, kenny said:

It would be a big plot twist 

 

22 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Though mainly it was the Prince of Darkness.

 

18 minutes ago, kenny said:

As I say, massive plot twist and totally at odds with anything

Ah, I see you were both in the know ahead of the announcement of the new PM. Anyway, I for one, welcome our new Prime Ministerhausen to the Househausen of Parliament. Wouldn't want to be cursed, after all.

 

 

[Jattdogg]

You lot have had like 6 prime ministers in the last 10 years. Bunch of skanks, like a door knob everybody gets a turn!

[kenny]

10 minutes ago, Robo61 said:

I am not sure you understand how politics works.

Touche.

[Voll Blau]

36 minutes ago, RonnieTodger said:

Looking forward to Burnham becoming the most hated man in Britain for no reason

Come on now, poorly composed Facebook memes are a very valid reason.

[Jon the Hat]

6 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

So basically Burnham is going to be Farage's warm-up guy?

Lets hope Reform have two more years of looking incompetent, losing share to Restore and we see tactical voting to the point where Labour can win again.

[Jon the Hat]

15 hours ago, Jimothy said:

Imo he's been on the ropes since day one because the media has had it in for him since day one. You can say you don't form your opinion from the Mail or GBNews but there's no denying our right leaning press lead the agenda in this country and they wanted him gone before he even got through the door of number 10.

Lets face it, he won with a landslide because the Tories were a disgrace for several years.  Once everyone saw what they got instead, the dislike started.  He shot himself in the foot from day 1 and went downhill from there.

[Jon the Hat]

15 hours ago, fox_up_north said:

I heard an interview with Major in which he said massive majorities can actually be a hindrance for a few reasons

 

You get a LOT of lazy (in better and less inflammatory words) MPs

 

You struggle to effectively corral everone round a policy or approach

 

The only way is down

Its a fair point, but I think you also get lazy PMs and whips - they don't need every vote so they spend less time and effort on it, or at least less than is needed.  Keir had very very few personally loyal people around him in the end.

[Leicesterpool]

Trying to think of prime minster in recent times that was actually liked. Feel like Gordon Brown despite being voted out by the public, people had time for him but can walk the streets without abuse. He's been at world cup with Scotland fans seemingly getting warm reception. I somehow cant see Starmer ever getting that reception 😆

 

Interesting that its said Burnham is expected to sack Rachel Reeves. Wouldnt surprise me if she puts in a leadership in response. Think she knows she will be first to go, if Burnham steps.

Edited 23 June by Leicesterpool

[Raj]

Prime Blair was untouchable, he was almost saintly figure in politics.

Was the Messi of Politics

Could literally do no wrong, even telling Queenie how to handle the death of Diana....but then came Iraq...

[leicsmac]

Just now, Raj said:

Prime Blair was untouchable, he was almost saintly figure in politics.

Was the Messi of Politics

Could literally do no wrong, even telling Queenie how to handle the death of Diana....but then came Iraq...

That single foreign policy decision outweighed all the domestic policy successes he may have had. And there were some, certainly with the NHS. 

 

How it goes, I suppose. 

 

NB. He was also probably the last PM to be able to combine charisma with to appeal to a lot of people with policy decisions that didn't directly appeal to the base desires of populists.

[Leicesterpool]

Just now, Raj said:

Prime Blair was untouchable, he was almost saintly figure in politics.

Was the Messi of Politics

Could literally do no wrong, even telling Queenie how to handle the death of Diana....but then came Iraq...

Blair did no wrong in his first four years, seemed to have things in control. It all collasped when Bush became president, allowed himself to be pushed by him.. hence that war which globally damaged a lot of relations with many countries. Blair's britain left behind a lot of damage. 

[Alf Bentley]

12 hours ago, leicsmac said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c872e8d9el1o

 

US President Donald Trump says he has "inspected" the Reflecting Pool in Washington DC, and that "work will begin immediately" to repair the American landmark.

Despite a recent multi-million dollar renovation, including a fresh coat of blue paint, the historic structure continues to face issues - most prominently algae turning the water a bright shade of green.

The pool may need to be drained and refilled for a second time this month, according to Trump, who flew over the site in a helicopter on Sunday while on his way back from Camp David.

It comes as Trump claims the pool's paint has been marred by vandals ahead of the 250th anniversary of the country's 4 July independence day.

US Attorney for Washington DC Jeanine Pirro has vowed to aggressively prosecute anyone found to have damaged the pool.

"Anyone who is in a position of vandalising or attempting to vandalise will face the criminal justice system in DC," she told Fox News on Sunday.

According to a senior Trump administration official, five people have been arrested for vandalism and five more were issued with citations by police on Saturday night.

 

This whole saga really sums this administration up. 

 

Ignorance of scientific causality... check. 

 

So thin-skinned any mockery, no matter accurate, is viewed as hostile... check. 

 

Finding a scapegoat among the "out-group" to blame for ones own incompetence...check.

 

Cultist behaviour in which the very idea of truth is subverted...check. 

 

Perhaps he should announce an upgrade - a solid gold statue of Narcissus on the bank, gazing into the pool?

[leicsmac]

Just now, Alf Bentley said:

 

Perhaps he should announce an upgrade - a solid gold statue of Narcissus on the bank, gazing into the pool?

Could just have a solid gold statue of himself, instead - would have the same effect. 

[LCFCJohn]

4 minutes ago, Raj said:

Prime Blair was untouchable, he was almost saintly figure in politics.

Was the Messi of Politics

Could literally do no wrong, even telling Queenie how to handle the death of Diana....but then came Iraq...

Bit like Cameron seemed ok early on (unless that bias based on the state of the ones since) but then bowed to the pressure from UKIP at the time to go down the Brexit path but then despite being remain himself, didn’t lead a strong case.

 

Farage has so much to answer to and has been so damaging to this country over the last 10 years or so when you think Brexit and now this far right movement…

[Raj]

2 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

Bit like Cameron seemed ok early on (unless that bias based on the state of the ones since) but then bowed to the pressure from UKIP at the time to go down the Brexit path but then despite being remain himself, didn’t lead a strong case.

 

Farage has so much to answer to and has been so damaging to this country over the last 10 years or so when you think Brexit and now this far right movement…

If he gets voted in the country deserves all it gets.

Lets not let "normal people" believe his BS ffs.

He's NOT a man of the people just because he drinks pints at the pub.

Farage is a mercenary.

[Leicesterpool]

2 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

Bit like Cameron seemed ok early on (unless that bias based on the state of the ones since) but then bowed to the pressure from UKIP at the time to go down the Brexit path but then despite being remain himself, didn’t lead a strong case.

 

Farage has so much to answer to and has been so damaging to this country over the last 10 years or so when you think Brexit and now this far right movement…

There was some strange things within saying despite Cameron being part of the remain campaign. He actually was no fan of the EU. That was just speculation. Some suggest explains why his remain campaign was weak.

[davieG]

13 hours ago, Foxdiamond said:

Does the electorate have to look at itself as well as the politicians? An impatient wish for everything to change to their liking in double quick time. This plus a cynicism and thinking anybody that has never had the job must be better. 

We're all football fans at heart - thinking anybody that has never had the job played must be better. 

[LCFCJohn]

25 minutes ago, Raj said:

If he gets voted in the country deserves all it gets.

Lets not let "normal people" believe his BS ffs.

He's NOT a man of the people just because he drinks pints at the pub.

Farage is a mercenary.

I hope, and whether it’s true or not, that Reform should be at the peak of their popularity now. You see how when it comes to a by-election, they have been getting steamrollered despite doing well on local council elections. It reminds me a bit of when UKIP did well in the European Parliament elections as people did it as a protest to be listened to. Maybe the same here where people won’t actually vote on mass when it matters?

[Sampson]

11 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

I hope, and whether it’s true or not, that Reform should be at the peak of their popularity now. You see how when it comes to a by-election, they have been getting steamrollered despite doing well on local council elections. It reminds me a bit of when UKIP did well in the European Parliament elections as people did it as a protest to be listened to. Maybe the same here where people won’t actually vote on mass when it matters?

I also suspect a lot of people who say they'll vote Green, Labour or LibDem will actually vote tactically to who is more likely to keep Reform out in their constituency in a GE. Saw that a bit with the Burnham vote as well with Greens and LibDems voting Labour.

Edited 23 June by Sampson

[DJW1]

11 hours ago, Robo61 said:

This was the first by election since 1984 where the turnout was higher than the previous GE.  The problem is not so much apathy in voting but very few people now have any real interest in democratic politics,   which is really very worrying when you have the likes of Farage and Lowe circling.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If PR ever gets introduced (I think Burnham is in favour), it MIGHT boost voter turnout. It is the fairest way of deciding elections. If it was in use in the UK the current government might well be a Lab-LD-Greens coalition

People can´t trot out the line "I´m not voting because they´re all the same" when the choice ranges from the Greens to Reform

[Raj]

18 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

I hope, and whether it’s true or not, that Reform should be at the peak of their popularity now. You see how when it comes to a by-election, they have been getting steamrollered despite doing well on local council elections. It reminds me a bit of when UKIP did well in the European Parliament elections as people did it as a protest to be listened to. Maybe the same here where people won’t actually vote on mass when it matters?

We all know Reform are a 1 trick pony(Like Daka falling on his arse!).

No mandate on any thing important like education, policing, Nhs. just want to stop immigrants coming which we all know needs addressing urgently

RE Reform:-Funny thing is alot of elderly asian folk vote reform as "too may immigrants here now" I know ffs think about it!!

 

Its only when we, the second generation have to remind them that once Reform have finished with the new immigrants they will want "us" out next too...

[LCFCJohn]

14 minutes ago, Raj said:

We all know Reform are a 1 trick pony(Like Daka falling on his arse!).

No mandate on any thing important like education, policing, Nhs. just want to stop immigrants coming which we all know needs addressing urgently

RE Reform:-Funny thing is alot of elderly asian folk vote reform as "too may immigrants here now" I know ffs think about it!!

 

Its only when we, the second generation have to remind them that once Reform have finished with the new immigrants they will want "us" out next too...

Bit unfair to call them one trick. They are also quite clear they believe climate change is a myth and would like to scrap any attempts at generating our own sustainable renewable energy in favour of destroying the planet a bit more and ensuring we get regular extreme weather 

 

But yes you are right of course. And for balance, Green at the other extreme are little or no better in terms of wider policies I don’t think. There’s a reason the central and historical parties are still the better options. 
 

Massively hypocritical of anyone who did migrate here to be in favour of closing the doors which let’s be honest, is the Reform stance. Anyone level headed knows that we benefit massively from migration but it needs to be controlled and yes, beneficial to the country. Bigger issues for me are the benefits system and justice system being fit for purpose. The rest would then take care of itself.