Forest and Nuno

[HarryDee8]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c2en2xnpvlno

[urban.spaceman]

delete the thread and pretend this never happened 

[lookwhaticando]

Shit, are we about to lose Cif? 

[PhillippaT]

4 hours ago, HarryDee8 said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c2en2xnpvlno

Meh  

[FOXYTALK]

So it begins

[foxfanazer]

They want Glasner, Iraola and Marco Silva. They really are delusional 

[Guest Bilo]

44 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

They want Glasner, Iraola and Marco Silva. They really are delusional 

All of those will demand an eye watering compensation payout to their current club, and they've just paid Nuno off on a three year contract he only signed in June. Couple this with the enormous amounts they've just spent in the transfer market and a massive wage bill, and they're an eighth-placed finish and no European football this season away from being bang in PSR trouble. 

Edited 9 September 2025 by Bilo

[Gloria]

Ange or Mourinho incoming...

[SafewayFox]

11 minutes ago, Bilo said:

All of those will demand an eye watering compensation to their current club, and they've just paid Nuno off on a three year contract he only signed in June. Couple this with the enormous amounts they've just spent in the transfer market and a massive wage bill, and they're an eighth-placed finish and no European football this season away from being bang in PSR trouble. 

Spot on.

 

You could also add the MGW saga and them likely paying him over the odds.

[Guest Bilo]

2 minutes ago, SafewayFox said:

Spot on.

 

You could also add the MGW saga and them likely paying him over the odds.

He's on £160,000 a week, apparently. Not to mention the bonuses the rest of the squad got and the wages the new cohort of signings are on. 

 

It'll be the same story as us when the wage bill hurts them more than the transfer fees because it gives them so little wriggle room in case of managerial sackings, decline in performance, not managing to sell when they need to etc. We know better than most how harshly PSR punishes questionable decisions.

[SafewayFox]

2 minutes ago, Bilo said:

He's on £160,000 a week, apparently. Not to mention the bonuses the rest of the squad got and the wages the new cohort of signings are on. 

 

It'll be the same story as us when the wage bill hurts them more than the transfer fees because it gives them so little wriggle room in case of managerial sackings, decline in performance, not managing to sell when they need to etc. We know better than most how harshly PSR punishes questionable decisions.

Wow.

 

If that is true, it will be very interesting to see their wages vs revenue when announced next.

 

You can blame PSR for killing the competitiveness of the league but players wages and clubs being stuck with average and overpaid players, is a genuine issue for English football IMO.

[Ted Maul]

9 minutes ago, Bilo said:

He's on £160,000 a week, apparently. Not to mention the bonuses the rest of the squad got and the wages the new cohort of signings are on. 

 

It'll be the same story as us when the wage bill hurts them more than the transfer fees because it gives them so little wriggle room in case of managerial sackings, decline in performance, not managing to sell when they need to etc. We know better than most how harshly PSR punishes questionable decisions.

All depends on the recruitment. If you're consistently bringing in players other clubs want, it's just about manageable. One bad transfer window and it's over. 

[fox_favourite]

14 minutes ago, Bilo said:

He's on £160,000 a week, apparently. Not to mention the bonuses the rest of the squad got and the wages the new cohort of signings are on. 

 

It'll be the same story as us when the wage bill hurts them more than the transfer fees because it gives them so little wriggle room in case of managerial sackings, decline in performance, not managing to sell when they need to etc. We know better than most how harshly PSR punishes questionable decisions.

My heart bleeds. 

 

[fox_favourite]

It's about harsh to be sacked in the middle of the night. What did they do, wait until they knew he was relaxed at home and in bed, then phoned him. Or maybe they sent in people broke into his house, switched onto he lifts shouted you're fired then left. 

 

What a really odd club. The level of arrogance coming out of their is unbearable at times.

Edited 9 September 2025 by fox_favourite

[Guest Bilo]

4 minutes ago, SafewayFox said:

Wow.

 

If that is true, it will be very interesting to see their wages vs revenue when announced next.

 

You can blame PSR for killing the competitiveness of the league but players wages and clubs being stuck with average and overpaid players, is a genuine issue for English football IMO.

Their wage bill is apparently £70m before bonuses, but how up-to-date and accurate Capology is I don't know. Then there's the Nuno pay-off and the big net spend from this summer of about £85m. 

 

As a similar-sized club to us, their global revenues will likely be on around the same level, but bear in mind we won the league, played a season of Champions League, won the FA Cup and qualified twice for the Europa League in a five year period. As such, our revenues between 2018 and 2021 were almost certainly larger than those of Forest between 2022 and 2025. 

 

Realistically, they've probably made two fundamental errors since the summer. The first is trying to grow too quickly and gambling on becoming a regular European qualifier, with a recruitment strategy so incoherent that their new record signing hasn't even made the 25 man Europa League squad. The second is sacking a manager around whom the squad has been built and gambling on finding a manager with the right philosophy to make it all work, and who will have the same relationship or better than the one Nuno had. 

[Guest Bilo]

12 minutes ago, Ted Maul said:

All depends on the recruitment. If you're consistently bringing in players other clubs want, it's just about manageable. One bad transfer window and it's over. 

It's too early to say if they haven't already had it this summer.

 

Daka and Soumare came with glowing CVs and seemingly bags of potential in the summer of 2021, but now we can't wait to be rid of them. 

[burleighfox]

I feel this job has got Brenda's name all over it.

[Free Falling Foxes]

After the stick Forest fans gave us for sacking Cooper, here's an opportunity for them to take him back.

Edited 9 September 2025 by Free Falling Foxes

[Guest Bilo]

It'll be interesting to see how the players react as well given they clearly loved playing under Nuno; the team spirit there kept them up in the first season and was a significant factor in their overachievement last season. 

 

Relationships are so important in football and it can be difficult to follow a respected boss, look at how our lot just weren't having Cooper after Enzo left.

[damolcfc]

9 minutes ago, Free Falling Foxes said:

After the stick Forest fans gave us for sacking Cooper, here's an opportunity for them to take him back.

They may want Cooper back, he is their hero after all

[damolcfc]

Edu and Marinakis build the team, , manager picks the team 🤔 does that sound right

[Vacamion]

 

Will be fun watching them get a "name" in who wants to play their own version of tiki-taka with a team Nuno honed into soak-it-up-and-counter-attack specialists.

 

I reckon their next manager is gone by February.

 

 

[Guest Bilo]

1 minute ago, damolcfc said:

Edu and Marinakis build the team, , manager picks the team 🤔 does that sound right

It's clear that Nuno didn't rate the business one bit. Regularly calling out Marinakis, saying how the squad wasn't good enough and leaving out Hutchinson and Zinchenko from the UEL squad. 

 

Marinakis and Edu are most likely banking on bringing someone in who does rate the new signings, but it screams of a situation where Forest fans in 2028 end up realising that Nuno was right all along when it's too late to go back and do anything about it.

[OntarioFox]

35 minutes ago, Bilo said:

Their wage bill is apparently £70m before bonuses, but how up-to-date and accurate Capology is I don't know. Then there's the Nuno pay-off and the big net spend from this summer of about £85m. 

 

As a similar-sized club to us, their global revenues will likely be on around the same level, but bear in mind we won the league, played a season of Champions League, won the FA Cup and qualified twice for the Europa League in a five year period. As such, our revenues between 2018 and 2021 were almost certainly larger than those of Forest between 2022 and 2025. 

 

Realistically, they've probably made two fundamental errors since the summer. The first is trying to grow too quickly and gambling on becoming a regular European qualifier, with a recruitment strategy so incoherent that their new record signing hasn't even made the 25 man Europa League squad. The second is sacking a manager around whom the squad has been built and gambling on finding a manager with the right philosophy to make it all work, and who will have the same relationship or better than the one Nuno had. 

There's one glaring difference between our setup and Forest's though. The players treat top like their mate and he lets them get away with murder, whereas I imagine any that let their levels drop for Mr Marianakis would end up swimming in the trent with concrete boots.

[Guest Bilo]

Just now, OntarioFox said:

There's one glaring difference between our setup and Forest's though. The players treat top like their mate and he lets them get away with murder, whereas I imagine any that let their levels drop for Mr Marianakis would end up swimming in the trent with concrete boots.

This doesn't mean they're well run, of course. Any more than us appointing Sean Dyche in the summer to 'give them a kick up the arse' would have been a good idea.