Cifuentes OUT

[worthosoriginals]

6 minutes ago, JimJams said:

What do you mean make yer mind up?  

We needed fresh legs on to occupy their defenders.  Daka can do that.  If you'd rather have seen Faes come on and do that, fair enough, but I'd rather see Patson doing it.

 

Fair enough, someone needs a rest, must the choice be shite or some other shite? 

[JimJams]

5 minutes ago, worthosoriginals said:

Fair enough, someone needs a rest, must the choice be shite or some other shite? 

When you look at the bench and those that didn't get on, we left Carranza, some other shite.  Faes, you decide.  And Evans.  I'd quite like to have seen Evans on if only so our whole set of subs were academy products, but Daka is fair enough given the options.

 

Roll on January so we can spend £0 on upgrades!

[BrilliantFox]

2 hours ago, JimJams said:

Who presses for 90 minutes?

Have you never watched a Hansi Flick or Luis Enrique coached team?

 

Two managers who have won the lot, constant pressure is so important in the modern game.

[Collymore]

Absolutely shocking the manager confidence poll in the player ratings to swing that much towards "In" with one win. 

 

The bloke is out of his depth and it sums up the ridiculous nature of fan forums and how we judge stuff in general. 

 

I'm the worst for it too, jumping on bandwagons left right and centre but my view of Marti hasn't changed -  he's an absolute chancer and needs binning. 

Edited 6 December 2025 by Collymore

[LCFCJohn]

8 hours ago, worthosoriginals said:

Yeh spot on, we don't need a deadly striker we need someone that runs about a lot, a goal a year but he moved a defender a few yards away to the side allowing one of our players to stop and have a breather

Of course we need a striker who can score goals and of course Daka has not been good enough.

 

In the context of the game yesterday and the post you have replied to, the goals had already been scored from midfield (fortunately), so yes, even if he wasn’t likely to score, having more pace to stretch Derby and pen them back would have helped. Someone said above about Ayew smashing it long from left back up to nobody as it should have been him up the pitch.

 

Suggesting Daka would have been helpful, earlier on, yesterday is not defending his record or suggesting he is the guy to rely on for goals!

[LCFCJohn]

18 hours ago, BrilliantFox said:

Literally don't care about the result today, all I care about is him getting sacked.

Really? Not really the attitude of a supporter is it….

 

It’s not a great look to be so intrenched in your views that you want the team to lose to say ‘I told you so’ basically.

 

Personally I have been fed up with Cifuentes too. But I also don’t trust our incompetent board to improve things. So I just want wins and points on the board at the minute.

 

Yourself and Winks have something in common. Both of you need to accept Maresca has gone.

[Claudio Fannieri]

I will die on this hill and continue to say this,  performances and results have been a mile off where they should be, however I remain convinced that Marti has been instructed to select/use certain players to keep them in the shop window and/or due to their high wages. 
 

Last week Marti was again thrown under a bus by said players and this week bombs a few out and lo and behold we see more academy players involved and a shift change in style and togetherness. I honestly believe after last week he has said if I am going to lose my job I will go doing it my way. 
 

The biggest indicator of this was the fact he refused to throw Faes on at any stage and went with the young academy players to see out the last 10 minutes of the game. 
 

I have a feeling Marti has been somewhat of a fall guy until now trying to make a silk purse out of a pigs ear and having both his hands tied behind his back having to select players who clearly checked out. Yesterday he didn’t do that and the performance and result were a different level to anything we have seen this season. Even the 2nd half was so much better the work rate, togetherness and commitment of each and every player was something different. 

[trooky]

43 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

I will die on this hill and continue to say this,  performances and results have been a mile off where they should be, however I remain convinced that Marti has been instructed to select/use certain players to keep them in the shop window and/or due to their high wages. 
 

Last week Marti was again thrown under a bus by said players and this week bombs a few out and lo and behold we see more academy players involved and a shift change in style and togetherness. I honestly believe after last week he has said if I am going to lose my job I will go doing it my way. 
 

The biggest indicator of this was the fact he refused to throw Faes on at any stage and went with the young academy players to see out the last 10 minutes of the game. 
 

I have a feeling Marti has been somewhat of a fall guy until now trying to make a silk purse out of a pigs ear and having both his hands tied behind his back having to select players who clearly checked out. Yesterday he didn’t do that and the performance and result were a different level to anything we have seen this season. Even the 2nd half was so much better the work rate, togetherness and commitment of each and every player was something different. 

If we really want to sell the likes of Faes, Daka and Winks we wouldn't play them. 

 

The more they play, the more they **** up and the less chance we have of potential takers. 

[LinekersLugs]

8 hours ago, Collymore said:

Absolutely shocking the manager confidence poll in the player ratings to swing that much towards "In" with one win. 

 

The bloke is out of his depth and it sums up the ridiculous nature of fan forums and how we judge stuff in general. 

 

I'm the worst for it too, jumping on bandwagons left right and centre but my view of Marti hasn't changed -  he's an absolute chancer and needs binning. 

But isn’t that football 

it’s wild

emotions swing 

love rises and dives 

we hate we love we care we don’t care 

we desire we fear we expect 

it’s all that’s wonderful about OUR game 

 

consistent and unemotional fans aren’t fans 

[Dahnsouff]

9 minutes ago, trooky said:

If we really want to sell the likes of Faes, Daka and Winks we wouldn't play them. 

 

The more they play, the more they **** up and the less chance we have of potential takers. 

That is even more reason to play them. If they did poorly nobody would buy them, especially on their wages, they need to play to show they are better than they were.

[Dahnsouff]

2 hours ago, LCFCJohn said:

Really? Not really the attitude of a supporter is it….

 

It’s not a great look to be so intrenched in your views that you want the team to lose to say ‘I told you so’ basically.

 

Personally I have been fed up with Cifuentes too. But I also don’t trust our incompetent board to improve things. So I just want wins and points on the board at the minute.

 

Yourself and Winks have something in common. Both of you need to accept Maresca has gone.

Not a fan of such entrenched opinions, it shows a weakness not strength, and changing your mind on evidence is normal and shows mental discipline.

Do not think Marti has done anywhere near enough based on 1 game, but there was some encouragement from that game.

[Claudio Fannieri]

30 minutes ago, trooky said:

If we really want to sell the likes of Faes, Daka and Winks we wouldn't play them. 

 

The more they play, the more they **** up and the less chance we have of potential takers. 

Not playing these player severely weakens our negotiating position. The board will have felt based on previous season at this level that they would do enough to keep us in the promotion contention whilst putting themselves in the shop window to negotiate a deal that works for the club in January. 
 

The difference is this time certain  players have checked out and effectively downed tools. 
 

These players are expensive assets paid huge weekly salaries there is no way any owner / DoF is going to allow players earning in excess of £250k per week to sit rotting in the stands. 

[Chrysalis]

24 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

Not playing these player severely weakens our negotiating position. The board will have felt based on previous season at this level that they would do enough to keep us in the promotion contention whilst putting themselves in the shop window to negotiate a deal that works for the club in January. 
 

The difference is this time certain  players have checked out and effectively downed tools. 
 

These players are expensive assets paid huge weekly salaries there is no way any owner / DoF is going to allow players earning in excess of £250k per week to sit rotting in the stands. 

Proper wheeling and dealing, if a player isnt good, especially if they a burden on wages, you just get rid.  Even if they given away for free, it frees up wage budget and a space in the squad.

 

Instead we obsessed with this nonsense idea that none of our players can depreciate in value so must get our money back, otherwise keep players prisoner to burn out their contract.

Most clubs bring in 10 or so players every summer, they can do this as they routinely let players go they no longer want.

I agree with you on the wage, playing predicament I suspect there has been pressure for a while certain players need to be in the matchday squad, simply because they too expensive to be reserves.  This predicament has came about due to our mismanagement of contracts.

Edited 7 December 2025 by Chrysalis

[LCFCJohn]

39 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Not a fan of such entrenched opinions, it shows a weakness not strength, and changing your mind on evidence is normal and shows mental discipline.

Do not think Marti has done anywhere near enough based on 1 game, but there was some encouragement from that game.

I agree. Now I do have opinions I stick to, but if not proven otherwise.

 

I.e Rodgers was a fraud. Proven correct. Nelson needed to play. Proven correct. I like to think where I have held a view that quite clearly requires some balance, that is there.

 

I agree Marti has a way to go. He has been very underwhelming. But yesterday he got it pretty much spot on, bar maybe a bit to slow to make a couple of the changes. He also had Aluko and Page on and Evans in the squad. I believe Monga was ill? If, he can keep that up and not revert back to the tried and failed, and if we see more of that first half, then he gives himself more time.

 

I think the second half was blown out of proportion. Derby never really looked like getting back into it in hindsight. The fear is more from the likelihood Leicester will f*** it up but we’ve been doing that forever. In my formative years supporting as a kid, I remember that Adam’s PL season 2023/24, results like 3-0 up to 4-3 down at Wolves and 3-1 up against Middlesbrough in stoppage time, 3-3. How many points from winning positions did we lose that year? More recently the Spurs 3-2 at home comes to mind. It was nothing to do with Derby themselves. We shoot ourselves in the foot multiple times every season and we didn’t yesterday.

 

I said on the post match thread, last week was the other way and we weren’t happy and rightly so. Sheffield United had won the game and all our huffing and puffing to get back to 3-2 was meaningless. This week, we won the game in the fist half so if we are unhappy with last week, for balance, we should be pleased this week. We all want the 90 dominant performance but it’s a tight league and away from home, the home side is always going to have a spell in the game. We blew them away first half. 

[Claudio Fannieri]

5 minutes ago, Chrysalis said:

Proper wheeling and dealing, if a player isnt good, especially if they a burden on wages, you just get rid.  Even if they given away for free, it frees up wage budget and a space in the squad.

 

Instead we obsessed with this nonsense idea that none of our players can depreciate in value so must get our money back, otherwise keep players prisoner to burn out their contract.

Most clubs bring in 10 or so players every summer, they can do this as they routinely let players go they no longer want.

I agree with you on the wage, playing predicament I suspect there has been pressure for a while certain players need to be in the matchday squad, simply because they too expensive to be reserves.  This predicament has came about due to our mismanagement of contracts.

You do realise that PSR and amortisation means it’s not quite as simple as just giving players away for free, also interested clubs may not pay the same level of wages we are paying so we then are at risk that we have to pick up the shortfall. 
 

So for example if we freeze out Faes and as a result accept a low ball offer that is a couple of million short of his book value and then the buying club offer him reduced wages and we pick up the £20k per week shortfall that would be in PSR Terms a £2 million loss plus we would still have a £1m per year wage commitment. We would literally be preventing ourselves from signing a replacement. 
 

So the club have to try and keep these players involved and maximise value to ensure we generate funds to be able to reinvest.

 

PSR does not allow clubs like ourselves to take baths on poor signings on high wages. 

[OntarioFox]

The lads he picked were well up for a local Derby away from home, something multiple managers have now failed to achieve. He chose a hell of a time to bomb out the likes of Faes and Winks, who have been part of those past failures in fixtures that mean more.

 

After picking up one point in the last four away days against Forest and Cov, and looking pathetic in every game that had something riding on it, I have to give him his dues. That was proper cathartic yesterday after those miserable days at the Shitty Ground under Rodgers in particular.

 

He's got a long way to go to convince me he's the answer, and I haven't forgotten our capitulation at home against the sky blue mouthbreathers earlier this year, but as I said yesterday hopefully we've got the blueprint for a team we can actually get behind now.

 

Edited 7 December 2025 by OntarioFox

[shiv]

I am still a skeptic but people need to give credit where credit is due. Derby were always going to come out firing, similar to us last weekend.

 

We saw out the second half pretty well despite Derby having a decent amount of momentum. My main criticism was that he didn’t make changes quickly enough to bring on fresh legs, particularly up top as Ayew was consistently out of position in the second half.

 

I’m still not quite convinced he’s good enough, but I will acknowledge that was much better and what we expect to see from a workrate perspective as a bare minimum.

[Claudio Fannieri]

4 minutes ago, OntarioFox said:

The lads he picked were well up for a local Derby away from home, something multiple managers have now failed to achieve. He chose a hell of a time to bomb out the likes of Faes and Winks, who have been part of those past failures in fixtures that mean more.

 

After picking up one point in the last four away days against Forest and Cov, and looking pathetic in every game that had something riding on it, I have to give him his dues. That was proper cathartic yesterday after those miserable days at the Shitty Ground under Rodgers in particular.

 

He's got a long way to go to convince me he's the answer, and I haven't forgotten our capitulation at home against the sky blue mouthbreathers earlier this year, but as I said yesterday hopefully we've got the blueprint for a team we can actually get behind now.

 

Decent post but what capitulation are you referring to? 

[OntarioFox]

7 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

Decent post but what capitulation are you referring to? 

The 2-0 in our relegation season and the pathetic 4-1 crashout in the cup were two of the worst displays I've ever seen us produce. And the 3-1 implosion at Cov under Enzo was a timely reminder that we still had a paper-thin mentality and naive players that couldn't hack it when another team was more up for it than us.

 

Like I say, we capitulated against local rivals in all three, we were appalling and I was genuinely angry at our players. So yeah, going away to a local derby and seeing the players pumped up, putting crunching tackles in and generally getting into 'em was beautiful. I know it's 'only Derby', but still.

 

I struggle to give too much credit for the 2-2 draw considering we had already been deservedly relegated and had rolled over for Forest at home. Though it was very funny to see that game alter their trajectory so drastically. A bit like that first cup collapse under Rodgers for us, I guess.

Edited 7 December 2025 by OntarioFox

[HighPeakFox]

The thing I notice is that, prior to the last two defeats, we'd been within a whisker of 9/9 prior (and yes, I do know we lost the 3 previous to that). 

 

And although we've been very patchy indeed, we've not exactly been lucky either. 

 

Calling for a sacking of this manager is wrong, in my opinion, if only because there isn't a viable alternative. I hope he's closer to getting it right. 

[SecretPro]

I think we should see how things start to pan out without Winks and Faes before we draw any final conclusions. 

[Claudio Fannieri]

12 minutes ago, OntarioFox said:

The 2-0 in our relegation season and the pathetic 4-1 crashout in the cup were two of the worst displays I've ever seen us produce. And the 3-1 implosion at Cov under Enzo was a timely reminder that we still had a paper-thin mentality and naive players that couldn't hack it when another team was more up for it than us.

 

Like I say, we capitulated against local rivals in all three, we were appalling and I was genuinely angry at our players. So yeah, going away to a local derby and seeing the players pumped up, putting crunching tackles in and generally getting into 'em was beautiful. I know it's 'only Derby', but still.

 

I struggle to give too much credit for the 2-2 draw considering we had already been deservedly relegated and had rolled over for Forest at home. Though it was very funny to see that game alter their trajectory so drastically. A bit like that first cup collapse under Rodgers for us, I guess.

Ah thought so it was the earlier this year at home bit that confused me. 

[OntarioFox]

Just now, Claudio Fannieri said:

Ah thought so it was the earlier this year at home bit that confused me. 

I've not had a coffee yet, forgive me

[Tielemans63]

2 hours ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

I will die on this hill and continue to say this,  performances and results have been a mile off where they should be, however I remain convinced that Marti has been instructed to select/use certain players to keep them in the shop window and/or due to their high wages. 
 

Last week Marti was again thrown under a bus by said players and this week bombs a few out and lo and behold we see more academy players involved and a shift change in style and togetherness. I honestly believe after last week he has said if I am going to lose my job I will go doing it my way. 
 

The biggest indicator of this was the fact he refused to throw Faes on at any stage and went with the young academy players to see out the last 10 minutes of the game. 
 

I have a feeling Marti has been somewhat of a fall guy until now trying to make a silk purse out of a pigs ear and having both his hands tied behind his back having to select players who clearly checked out. Yesterday he didn’t do that and the performance and result were a different level to anything we have seen this season. Even the 2nd half was so much better the work rate, togetherness and commitment of each and every player was something different. 

Interesting theory. You might well be right. I hope you are tbh!

[trooky]

2 hours ago, Dahnsouff said:

That is even more reason to play them. If they did poorly nobody would buy them, especially on their wages, they need to play to show they are better than they were.

That doesn't make sense they've played poorly for at least a year and they're still here. 

 

No one will pay for Daka or Winks when they'll be available in the summer for free. 

 

The best we can hope for is a loan with 100% of their wages payed, which will save approx £3 million and that's 75% of JJs transfer fee. 

 

However I don't believe anyone is that stupid or desperate, truly shocking signings.