Cifuentes OUT

[dmayne7]

1 minute ago, Jimmy said:

made some big calls and got the reward, I also really liked the man management of getting Aluko on even if it was on the wing to show him he still has the managers faith.

 

Bombing Winks out completely was also I dodn't think he had in him, especially with Soumare injured, well done today Marti

Beat me by seconds!

[BrilliantFox]

2 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

How people can criticise him today is beyond me

He made the team sit back like cowards in the 2nd half only inviting more pressure causing the clean sheet to be wiped.

 

We hounded Cooper out for this exact reason. Its simply poor tactics.

[dmayne7]

Just now, BrilliantFox said:

He made the team sit back like cowards in the 2nd half only inviting more pressure causing the clean sheet to be wiped.

 

We hounded Cooper out for this exact reason. Its simply poor tactics.

Or do you think it's players lacking confidence because they've been cack?

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, BrilliantFox said:

He made the team sit back like cowards in the 2nd half only inviting more pressure causing the clean sheet to be wiped.

 

We hounded Cooper out for this exact reason. Its simply poor tactics.

He isn't a puppeteer, he cannot control the on pitch stuff fully, especially with low confidence.

Today was an improvement, so if it continues then fine, if not, he should go.

[BrilliantFox]

2 minutes ago, dmayne7 said:

Or do you think it's players lacking confidence because they've been cack?

 

Just now, Dahnsouff said:

He isn't a puppeteer, he cannot control the on pitch stuff fully, especially with low confidence.

Today was an improvement, so if it continues then fine, if not, he should go.

Fabregas summarises it perfectly. 

 

 

[Chelmofox]

1 minute ago, BrilliantFox said:

He made the team sit back like cowards in the 2nd half only inviting more pressure causing the clean sheet to be wiped.

 

We hounded Cooper out for this exact reason. Its simply poor tactics.

When Sheff Utd did this everyone was lauding them because they 'won the game in the first half', even though we got close to drawing that game.

 

In this instance, i dont think we can complain about the game management. 

[Jimmy]

4 minutes ago, BrilliantFox said:

He made the team sit back like cowards in the 2nd half only inviting more pressure causing the clean sheet to be wiped.

 

We hounded Cooper out for this exact reason. Its simply poor tactics.

most teams when 3-0 up at HT would sit back in the second half

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, BrilliantFox said:

 

Fabregas summarises it perfectly. 

 

 

Is that celebrated trophy winning manager Fabregas?  

[Stevosevic]

We likely follow this up with a couple of limp defeats.

 

A long way to go before any corner is turned. 

[BrilliantFox]

Just now, Chelmofox said:

In this instance, i dont think we can complain about the game management. 

No because thats Wilder's exact philosophy, he's a "sit back" manager so he is keeping to his ethos, nothing wrong.

 

Marti on the other hand constantly says he wants all-out-attacking football and he always wants to score the next. Directly going against his own principles here because its the cowardly thing to do.

 

It bit him in the end anyway, because our clean sheet was wiped.

[JimJams]

When the opposition have nothing left to do but go all out there's an element of inevitability to coming under a lot of pressure. 

If the lino gets it right we're 4 up at half time.

We largely defended well, perhaps should have got Daka on earlier to give us an outball further up the pitch and win a few footraces. But 4 of our 5 subs were academy products and all did a job (Silks get some unwarranted stick just for playing for some reason) so really good off the bench if not a little late. Maybe he didn't want to put the inexperienced players on too early.

[Ian Nacho]

Second half was the usual negative set up. 

[winteriscoming]

It’s taken him far too long but he is getting the youngsters into the squad. 
I’m still not convinced by him overall but credit to him today. 
My concern would be if we got rid of him who realistically would start the younger players over the experienced ones?

Needs to pick up points in these next two matches. 

[Hales]

19 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

Look at last week same happened with us 2nd half we fought back and nearly grabbed a draw, in that first 10 minutes of the 2nd half we were looking the more dangerous team, there was always going to be a time where Derby had to have a bit of a go and overall we stood up to it. 
 

How people can criticise him today is beyond me, he made the changes we wanted to see, we played with intensity and showed some fight and bollocks in the 2nd half and he threw 3 academy lads on to see out the game. 
 

Fair play to him from me. 

Agreed

[BrilliantFox]

9 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Is that celebrated trophy winning manager Fabregas?  

Fabregas is 10x the manager Marti is. 

[Lambert09]

16 minutes ago, BrilliantFox said:

He made the team sit back like cowards in the 2nd half only inviting more pressure causing the clean sheet to be wiped.

 

We hounded Cooper out for this exact reason. It’s simply poor tactics.

Yet if we kept trying to attack and conceded a soft counter attack goal, I bet he’d be hounded. 
 

if you’re 3-0 up I have no problem with doing this. Cooper would have done this at 1-0 it’s not the same 

[Hales]

Fair play to him today....big decisions made with the starting line up. Frustratingly slow with the subs but good changes made and pleased to see the youngsters come on. 

He did a good job today

The team played with intensity and fought for everything

They haven't downed tools for him at all and its no coincidence removing bad eggs with poor mentality has changed the motivation from the team

Great seeing their confidence growing and enjoying playing football again

Let's hope the momentum carries on.....everyone can see now how this team can play so positive pants on and we push on 

Edited 6 December 2025 by Hales

[BKLFox]

15 minutes ago, Jimmy said:

most teams when 3-0 up at HT would sit back in the second half

Rightly or wrongly I agree but you also need an out to exploit the gaps at the back which is where Marti messed up. The change of Ayew for Daka should have happened before they scored as you could see all 3 CBs of theirs were in our half & they were winning all the 50/50 ricochets as they had so many spare bodies in our half and could just continue to re-start attacks.
Simply by putting Daka on those 3 CBs would not be walking 10-15yrds into our half we wouldn’t have the overload, Daka wouldn’t even have to score but just being there and being an out pulls them back.

At 1 point Ayew was smashing the ball up field from a LB position…to who?

 

His subs are what’s letting him down for me, with that bench I imagine it was always the plan to put at least 2 possibly 3 of the young lads on with 10mins to play especially being 3 up but he made it difficult for himself due to his lack of action when they were building up ahead of steam, had they scored a 2nd all 3 of those young lads don’t come on..I don’t want to be negative after the win but he really needs to look at his sub timings and players.

[teblin]

I want him to do well. But 2nd half was very negative.

[Dan]

Second half was crap but I think if what had come before hadn't happened I'd be quite encouraged. Seeing more of the players I wanted to see in the team, in the team. More of the players I wanted out of the team, out of the team. First half was excellent.

 

I'm never being swung by one game but better signs today. I'd be well behind him if he'd taken todays stance in August.

[l444ry]

Got no problem myself if Cifuentis actually wanted his side to go all out defence in the second half (which I doubt). More concerned with the fact that he didn't (and never seems to) have a game plan for counter attacking when we do get possession. Just looked like all hands on deck and no guile to me. Nevertheless, will take wins however they come and credit all the players for putting a shift in at last. 

[bovril]

35 minutes ago, BrilliantFox said:

 

Fabregas summarises it perfectly. 

 

 

revolutionary stuff! 

[Lambert09]

13 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

Rightly or wrongly I agree but you also need an out to exploit the gaps at the back which is where Marti messed up. The change of Ayew for Daka should have happened before they scored as you could see all 3 CBs of theirs were in our half & they were winning all the 50/50 ricochets as they had so many spare bodies in our half and could just continue to re-start attacks.
Simply by putting Daka on those 3 CBs would not be walking 10-15yrds into our half we wouldn’t have the overload, Daka wouldn’t even have to score but just being there and being an out pulls them back.

At 1 point Ayew was smashing the ball up field from a LB position…to who?

 

His subs are what’s letting him down for me, with that bench I imagine it was always the plan to put at least 2 possibly 3 of the young lads on with 10mins to play especially being 3 up but he made it difficult for himself due to his lack of action when they were building up ahead of steam, had they scored a 2nd all 3 of those young lads don’t come on..I don’t want to be negative after the win but he really needs to look at his sub timings and players.

Did Marti mess up or did certain players not execute the roles well? Can we blame Marti for the fact Fatawu couldnt keep possession for over 10 seconds?  I think the fact that when Thomas came on, he found spaces in behind fairly regularly suggests that it was more of a personnel issue in the second half and we all know fatawu is good enough to do that, so it was just a bad day for him personally and thats hard to blame on the manager.  I think given that team got you 3-0 up youve got to give them some time. 

 

Im no Marti fan but I think its harsh to stick that on him 

Edited 6 December 2025 by Lambert09

[Dahnsouff]

33 minutes ago, BrilliantFox said:

Fabregas is 10x the manager Marti is. 

May well be. Would prefer something that is not just baseless to judge it on though.

I am not supporting Marti, but we won, and this factually helps the club 

[Clever Fox]

I just can't understand how he can sit back and be so impassive during any game, Especially when we're clearly struggling in that second half.

 

I expect him to be on the sideline shouting instructions to his players.

 

He got his Substituations correct today even if they were a little late in coming.