Cifuentes OUT

[Happy Fox]

2 minutes ago, Kegworthfox said:

Sacked Rodger’s cooper rvn now you want marti sacked give your head a wobble because sack marti than the next manager 

the trouble is NOT the Manager It’s the PLAYERS till you get rid of some of these players and Rutkin it will not change

Get rid of the players okay fantastic with what funds? We are skint mate, we either get a better manager to get the players playing better… that’s the only solution imo, or we integrate more of youth team players in the first team..

[coolhandfox]

4 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

This is actually more true of us than a lot of other clubs because we are SO reliant on a manager to make positive change off the pitch. 

 

But frankly, the performances are just shocking even for the squad we have. You can cry all you want about the team not being brilliant on paper but has anyone seen Hull's or Preston's or Millwall's? Not exactly a league full of world class teams. 

 

There's no an excuse to be shipping 4 to QPR, 3 to Sheff Utd, 3 to Southampton, absolutely crumbling in games like we're completely fragile. 

 

100% this.

[Ric Flair]

17 minutes ago, Kegworthfox said:

Sacked Rodger’s cooper rvn now you want marti sacked give your head a wobble because sack marti than the next manager 

the trouble is NOT the Manager It’s the PLAYERS till you get rid of some of these players and Rutkin it will not change

How do you explain QPRs massive improvement since they binned Cifuentes for flirting with West Brom?

[coolhandfox]

People seem to not grasp our good periods have been down to employing manager good at building follow by a good coach.

 

Pearson good builder followed by good coach Ranieri.

 

Puel good builder followed by Rodgers.

 

Pearson and Puel built great squads which the latter two got the best out off.

 

Both Rodgers and Ranieri failed when they had to recruit and refresh the squad.

 

Enzo was another who was a builder and helped drive recruitment, he had a strong vision.

 

The manager has virtual led the football department at LCFC since KP arrived.

 

We have to get in a manager who is a good builder and coach.

 

Or a good technical dictator and a good coach.

 

Marti maybe a good builder but n not had the chance yet however there is plenty of evidence he isn’t a good coach.

 

Edited 21 December 2025 by coolhandfox

[Happy Fox]

3 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

How do you explain QPRs massive improvement since they binned Cifuentes for flirting with West Brom?

Exactly and that's the truth QPR are doing far better without Marti in charge, and that says it all!

[ian__marshall]

This season reminds me so much of the decline under BR. We're sleep walking our way to relegation. It's glaringly obvious he's not up to the task in hand. The stats, eye test, points tally, attitude of the players are huge red flags. However, just like BR when it looks inevitable that he can't escape another week, the team find a win out of nowhere which prolongs his stay.

 

I really dislike the ownership now. They're the worst type of owner you could possibly have; not rich enough to have ambitions of pushing on, but conversely not poor enough that there's any risk of administration unless they actively choose to take that path. We're stuck in a state of limbo, with the club just being an asset in the family's estate. 

 

I once thought I'd take whatever decline came our way after seeing us win the PL, essentially 'football was complete'. I'd happily exchange that trophy now just to have some connection with our club again, and to have an owner who even if they weren't blessed with riches, actually cared and tried their best. 

[Happy Fox]

4 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

People seem to not grasp our good periods have been down to employing manager good at building follow by a good coach.

 

Pearson good builder followed by good coach Ranieri.

 

Puel good builder followed by Rodgers.

 

Pearson and Puel built great squads which the latter two got the best out off.

 

Both Rodgers and Ranieri failed when they had to recruit and refresh the squad.

 

Enzo was another who was a builder and helped drive recruitment, he had a strong vision.

 

The manager has virtual led the football department at LCFC since KP arrived.

 

We have to get in a manager who is a good builder and coach.

 

Or a good technical dictator and a good coach.

 

Marti maybe a good builder but n not had the chance yet however there is plenty of evidence he isn’t a good coach.

 

 

What has he built? he's done f**k all, I would expect any coach to integrate our promising young players like Nelson and Monga etc. Marti is shite mate.

[whoareyaaa]

13 minutes ago, Happy Fox said:

Get rid of the players okay fantastic with what funds? We are skint mate, we either get a better manager to get the players playing better… that’s the only solution imo, or we integrate more of youth team players in the first team..

The only time these players have performed since we got relegated under Rodgers was under Enzo and even then people wasn't happy... Cooper, Ruud and Marti haven't got a tune out of them so it's a pure gamble for any new manager to come in and turn us into a capable team.

 

The only manager I could see making a difference would be MON, every other manager would need a few windows.

 

Vardy's loss is huge and people are not really taking that into consideration we have also not replaced him or even tried to replace him with a proper goalscroer.

 

We are bang average from the top to bottom with a few good players.

[whoareyaaa]

4 minutes ago, Happy Fox said:

 

What has he built? he's done f**k all, I would expect any coach to integrate our promising young players like Nelson and Monga etc. Marti is shite mate.

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Edited 21 December 2025 by whoareyaaa

[Parker Pen]

Marti is a poor fit and needs to go asap. No tactics no shape and no plan. He has been saved on many occasions by individual performances. He is cut from the same cloth as that clown Ruben Seles and if ever we need an example of how the same group of players respond differently to another Manager then Sheffield Utd are a good example. Players offs with Wilder, employ tippy tippy tactico clown and give him pre season and what was it  no wins in 6 then bring Wilder back and with the same players is climbing the league and to be honest I reckon they will make the play offs again.

[coolhandfox]

5 minutes ago, Happy Fox said:

 

What has he built? he's done f**k all, I would expect any coach to integrate our promising young players like Nelson and Monga etc. Marti is shite mate.

 

Key word is maybe......

 

[honeybradger]

16 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

People seem to not grasp our good periods have been down to employing manager good at building follow by a good coach.

 

Pearson good builder followed by good coach Ranieri.

 

Puel good builder followed by Rodgers.

 

Pearson and Puel built great squads which the latter two got the best out off.

 

Both Rodgers and Ranieri failed when they had to recruit and refresh the squad.

 

Enzo was another who was a builder and helped drive recruitment, he had a strong vision.

 

The manager has virtual led the football department at LCFC since KP arrived.

 

We have to get in a manager who is a good builder and coach.

 

Or a good technical dictator and a good coach.

 

Marti maybe a good builder but n not had the chance yet however there is plenty of evidence he isn’t a good coach.

 

Enzo was not a builder, the state he left the squad in when he left was not good.

 

He played Faes all season and hardly gave Nelson a sniff, contributed to Vestergaard re-signing, hardly played Akgun who has gone on to be a good player, brought in Winks who has mostly stunk up the place, brought in Coady who entirely stunk up the place, brought in Mavididi who is as fragile as they come, Fatawu was a good pickup.

 

A proper builder would have gutted that 23/24 squad and not brought in Winks and Coady, would we have gone up that season? Probably not but we would likely be in a better position now.

[Ric Flair]

The manner of these 1st half capitulations are mind blowing. A manager doesn't fix this, he will never do anything here but further the decline. Is he the biggest problem? From those in control of what happens on the pitch, 100% At the club in general, no that's those above him that we likely continue this one way ticket to the lowest point in our history and certainly worse than how they found us.

 

Does not excuse persisting with the manager though. But it would not be a cause for celebration when he invariably does go as the focus turns on seeing replacements to the majority of the board, execs and the biggest problem - the owner. 

 

ALL MUST GO.

[coolhandfox]

19 minutes ago, honeybradger said:

Enzo was not a builder, the state he left the squad in when he left was not good.

 

He played Faes all season and hardly gave Nelson a sniff, contributed to Vestergaard re-signing, hardly played Akgun who has gone on to be a good player, brought in Winks who has mostly stunk up the place, brought in Coady who entirely stunk up the place, brought in Mavididi who is as fragile as they come, Fatawu was a good pickup.

 

A proper builder would have gutted that 23/24 squad and not brought in Winks and Coady, would we have gone up that season? Probably not but we would likely be in a better position now.

Building isn’t just about buying players it about creating a culture and a back office functions.

 

The club would 100% be in a better place if his was still here.

 

He is now at an elite club as is being touted as Pep's successor, so he must be crap 

 

 

 

Edited 21 December 2025 by coolhandfox

[Muzzy_no7]

50 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

People seem to not grasp our good periods have been down to employing manager good at building follow by a good coach.

 

Pearson good builder followed by good coach Ranieri.

 

Puel good builder followed by Rodgers.

 

Pearson and Puel built great squads which the latter two got the best out off.

 

Both Rodgers and Ranieri failed when they had to recruit and refresh the squad.

 

Enzo was another who was a builder and helped drive recruitment, he had a strong vision.

 

The manager has virtual led the football department at LCFC since KP arrived.

 

We have to get in a manager who is a good builder and coach.

 

Or a good technical dictator and a good coach.

 

Marti maybe a good builder but n not had the chance yet however there is plenty of evidence he isn’t a good coach.

 

Enzo is a coach, Ranieri was a manager. 
 

Marti isn’t anything. 

[Tuna]

Merely delaying the inevitable with Marti now, the problem is we are not a sensible club so no sensible decisions will be made on the manager. Absolutely needs to go, out of his depth and his level is probably League One.

[Richmondfox]

1 hour ago, Happy Fox said:

 

What has he built? he's done f**k all, I would expect any coach to integrate our promising young players like Nelson and Monga etc. Marti is shite mate.

And Monga ends up playing like Ayew and Mav while Nelson yesterday played exactly like JV. Slow, boring, inviting the press just to pass to someone else and send the pressure on. 

 

He is a crap manager with crap tactics. 
 

All our players look worse under him due to no locked in style and discipline.

 

either he hasn’t got a clue tactically and/or the players don’t listen to him.  Either way it’s bad.

 

He is allowing JV the power to slow the game down and keep passing to Ayew in the middle. It hasn’t worked all season. He’s allowing JV to invite the press and create the chaos when he messes up. 

 

He’s allowing Mav to be boring and greedy.  A winger who won’t pass to the player who has got ahead of him into space.  He’s allowing Ayew to stink out everything he touches. 

 

He isn’t fixing these things which would make us less shit. 
 

Fatawu’s wonder goal aside he was poor last week and yesterday.  He won’t run into spaces JJ created for him and has a terrible short pass.  Ricardo is playing like prime Luke Thomas, so sad. 

 

Skipp is better when everything is flowing quickly, when it’s JV led sideways and back pass tempo he has looked poor again under the press. 

our players can play better, under a better system which drills them with a role as a team 

Edited 21 December 2025 by Richmondfox

[whoareyaaa]

15 minutes ago, Richmondfox said:

And Monga ends up playing like Ayew and Mav while Nelson yesterday played exactly like JV. Slow, boring, inviting the press just to pass to someone else and send the pressure on. 

 

He is a crap manager with crap tactics. 
 

All our players look worse under him due to no locked in style and discipline.

 

either he hasn’t got a clue tactically and/or the players don’t listen to him.  Either way it’s bad.

 

He is allowing JV the power to slow the game down and keep passing to Ayew in the middle. It hasn’t worked all season. He’s allowing JV to invite the press and create the chaos when he messes up. 

 

He’s allowing Mav to be boring and greedy.  A winger who won’t pass to the player who has got ahead of him into space.  He’s allowing Ayew to stink out everything he touches. 

 

He isn’t fixing these things which would make us less shit. 
 

Fatawu’s wonder goal aside he was poor last week and yesterday.  He won’t run into spaces JJ created for him and has a terrible short pass.  Ricardo is playing like prime Luke Thomas, so sad. 

 

Skipp is better when everything is flowing quickly, when it’s JV led sideways and back pass tempo he has looked poor again under the press. 
 

Yet James has looked class most of the season.

[Mickyblueeyes]

1 hour ago, Ric Flair said:

How do you explain QPRs massive improvement since they binned Cifuentes for flirting with West Brom?

I was thinking about the West Brom link the other day. It was enough contact to virtually end his time at QPR so there must’ve been some contact/conversations. However, whatever came from those conversations he didn’t even make the shortlist. It’s like the Amorim and Liverpool links, looked a sure thing, club and man spoke and club decided you’re not for us. 
 

There’s a flaw here in the style, approach and while he is working with a weak bunch of players and an even weaker/incompetent leadership, 3 first half collapses is a glaring issue. His inability to develop young players. Persisting with trouble makers out of desperation for success. And his sides having really good periods or really bad periods with no consistency is another obvious, highly discouraging sign.
 

A poor manager/coach by all accounts. 

[Mickyblueeyes]

3 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

Yet James has looked class most of the season.

Except when he is placed in the AM/10 role by the manager despite his very good form/ability in the middle. 

[ARM1968]

Marti is unfortunately below average. I could get us promoted with this squad. Mind you, there’d be a few bruised egos in the squad. 

[whoareyaaa]

Just now, Mickyblueeyes said:

Except when he is placed in the AM/10 role by the manager despite his very good form/ability in the middle. 

That's not really happened for a while though, he has also managed to get Skipp looking like he has a role in the team.

 

Our problem is we have no goal scorer and most positions we have one ok player for each position at best.

 

[Stadt]

If you gave Cifuentes the 23/24 squad we’d be about 6th at this stage. Shit manager.

 

QPR conducted a proper managerial search and pulled off a coup in Stephan. We just looked at ‘Championship experience’ bums and who was available.

 

The same m ongs that got us in the mess are barely even trying to get us out of it. Cifuentes has to go and in a way, I hope we appoint Martin so it accelerates the demise and people get pissed off enough.

Edited 21 December 2025 by Stadt

[Mickyblueeyes]

Just now, whoareyaaa said:

That's not really happened for a while though, he has also managed to get Skipp looking like he has a role in the team.

 

Our problem is we have no goal scorer and most positions we have one ok player for each position at best.

 

we’ve mixed it around so much in so many positions, we are approaching mid season and yet to have built up any partnerships. 

[honeybradger]

24 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Building isn’t just about buying players it about creating a culture and a back office functions.

 

The club would 100% be in a better place if his was still here.

 

He is now at an elite club as is being touted as Pep's successor, so he must be crap 

 

 

 

Im not saying he's crap, im just saying that the squad and culture and whatever else that he left us with was not good. Maybe he would have done a better job than Cooper and RVN but in terms of leaving the club in a healthy state so that the next manager can benefit, which Pearson and Puel did, Maresca absolutely did not do.

 

In terms of culture you cant factor out the way he left which left us in disarray and the whole "this is the way we play" mentality being drilled into the players made it an impossible job for the next manager to put his tactical stamp on the team.

 

Also many of his favourites, Faes, Winks, Mavididi (who i like but he gives up too easily), Vestergaard and also Fatawu (who is our best player but also temperamental) are part of the culture problem at this club. Maresca didn't leave us any leaders.