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The Year Of The Fox

The Ashes 25/26

By The Year Of The Fox, in General Football and Sport

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STEVIE B

STEVIE B

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1 hour ago, leicsmac said:

Brook has deeply frustrated me here. 

 

He's a damn good player and I'll happily challenge anyone who says otherwise, but the Aussies seem to have a plan for him that works again and again. At least with KP they had much more trouble getting to him in terms of technique.

I don't think the Aussies have needed much of a plan for any of our batters.

They've just stuck to the basics of a decent line & length. They've also realised England have little patience & big egos. 

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RowlattsFox

RowlattsFox

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Frustrating thing with Brook is that he's had plenty of starts. Got himself in and then got himself out, although got a good ball in the first innings. 

Like KP did, he'll look bad when he gets out but it's a productive shot for him. 

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STEVIE B

STEVIE B

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1 hour ago, winteriscoming said:

Seems so simple saying it but occupying the crease and you’ll get runs. 
Look at Crawley second innings and Stokes first innings. 
Imo bazball is completely overrated and we aren’t as good as what we think we are. 

Bazball has only really been successful on very flat tracks & against sides other than India & Australia. Having no plan B has proven to be an arrogant choice in general.

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leicsmac

leicsmac

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47 minutes ago, STEVIE B said:

I don't think the Aussies have needed much of a plan for any of our batters.

They've just stuck to the basics of a decent line & length. They've also realised England have little patience & big egos. 

Well, that's a plan in of itself. :D

 

41 minutes ago, STEVIE B said:

Bazball has only really been successful on very flat tracks & against sides other than India & Australia. Having no plan B has proven to be an arrogant choice in general.

Of which there are nine, and regardless of people hyperfocusing on the other two, results against those sides are neither unimportant nor irrelevant. 

 

Do agree entirely however with the idea that it's clearly not worked against the hardest of opposition in the hardest of places and a plan B is needed...but that itself being said, what plan B has been shown to be effective against India and Oz on home soil, other than simply having quality through the team ala 2009-2013 (with two of the best seamers, one of the best spinners, a couple of the best bats and one of the best all round wicketkeepers England have ever produced)?

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Voll Blau

Voll Blau

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5 minutes ago, fleshdaddy said:

Yet again....braindead shot and absolutely no need. 

His head is absolutely all over the place when he plays that kind of shot, so he's bound to fall at some point.

 

Compare to how he looks playing the two shots before. Heard Harmison say this morning that it's a proper coach they need because so many of their issues are technical flaws. He's absolutely right.

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Super_horns

Super_horns

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Going to be even more frustrating when we actually don’t lose by too much .

 

So many wasted opportunities.

 

Those extra runs for Carey and Head are going to prove to be the difference I suspect .
 

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CL Fox

CL Fox

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35 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

No doubt the Barny Army and that flaming trumpeter are still in the ground ‘backing the boys’

Whats your issue with this? You know the history of the Barmy Army right?

The Year Of The Fox

The Year Of The Fox

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7 minutes ago, CL Fox said:

Whats your issue with this? You know the history of the Barmy Army right?

My issue is the same issue as the one with the KPFC supporters. There are very many similarities too. 
 

Not sure which part of their history you refer to. The BA clearly have the respect of the cricket team which is great. But why not use that to also put your point across. 
 

There’s talk in the main forum section here of away fans yesterday being compensated by the club. What about the cricket fans who regularly spend an arm and a leg to do the entire Series over there? Must cost £10k a supporter. Sure it’s by choice, and I’m fully aware of how difficult it is to go to Australia and come back with anything at all. But at least make us competitive 

 

You might even start to think that we’ve persisted with Baz ball and that we’re a stubborn side because there’s no retribution from the fans whatsoever 

Tommy Fresh

Tommy Fresh

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18 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

My issue is the same issue as the one with the KPFC supporters. There are very many similarities too. 
 

Not sure which part of their history you refer to. The BA clearly have the respect of the cricket team which is great. But why not use that to also put your point across. 
 

There’s talk in the main forum section here of away fans yesterday being compensated by the club. What about the cricket fans who regularly spend an arm and a leg to do the entire Series over there? Must cost £10k a supporter. Sure it’s by choice, and I’m fully aware of how difficult it is to go to Australia and come back with anything at all. But at least make us competitive 

 

You might even start to think that we’ve persisted with Baz ball and that we’re a stubborn side because there’s no retribution from the fans whatsoever 

Not really simialr to KPFC supporters is it, doubt there's many sticking up for Rob Key lol

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Lionator

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26 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

My issue is the same issue as the one with the KPFC supporters. There are very many similarities too. 
 

Not sure which part of their history you refer to. The BA clearly have the respect of the cricket team which is great. But why not use that to also put your point across. 
 

There’s talk in the main forum section here of away fans yesterday being compensated by the club. What about the cricket fans who regularly spend an arm and a leg to do the entire Series over there? Must cost £10k a supporter. Sure it’s by choice, and I’m fully aware of how difficult it is to go to Australia and come back with anything at all. But at least make us competitive 

 

You might even start to think that we’ve persisted with Baz ball and that we’re a stubborn side because there’s no retribution from the fans whatsoever 

I understand your frustration but this is a once in a lifetime trip for many, they’re with mates, parents, kids etc. They're not going to stand there booing the team off are they, they’re still England fans at the end of the day. LCFC on the other hand is not a once in a lifetime experience, and it’s complete negligence. Australia are good at cricket and there’s no shame in losing to them, the issue was always the hubris and arrogance that we could smash them.

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RowlattsFox

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Why is it so bloody hard to win a test match in Australia? A single test, let alone a series. 

 

It fells different this time because there was expectation but its failed to deliver. 

 

Batters have let us down, don't win matches without big scores. 

CL Fox

CL Fox

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1 hour ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

My issue is the same issue as the one with the KPFC supporters. There are very many similarities too. 
 

Not sure which part of their history you refer to. The BA clearly have the respect of the cricket team which is great. But why not use that to also put your point across. 
 

There’s talk in the main forum section here of away fans yesterday being compensated by the club. What about the cricket fans who regularly spend an arm and a leg to do the entire Series over there? Must cost £10k a supporter. Sure it’s by choice, and I’m fully aware of how difficult it is to go to Australia and come back with anything at all. But at least make us competitive 

 

You might even start to think that we’ve persisted with Baz ball and that we’re a stubborn side because there’s no retribution from the fans whatsoever 

Can't say I see any similarities to be honest. They formed when we were shite and have always prided themselves on being loyal supporters. I dont have an issue with it - test cricket is very different to football.

Tommy Fresh

Tommy Fresh

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21 minutes ago, RowlattsFox said:

At least it could be last we see of this Australian bowling attack, maybe in 2027 but surely they won't still be there in 4 years time. 

They've got a few decent younger lads who will likely still run through us though 

leicsmac

leicsmac

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1 hour ago, RowlattsFox said:

Why is it so bloody hard to win a test match in Australia? A single test, let alone a series. 

 

It fells different this time because there was expectation but its failed to deliver. 

 

Batters have let us down, don't win matches without big scores. 

They've lost less than 15% of their home Tests since 2000, and only lost six out of 36 home Test series in that time. The Saffers have the best record there, with three wins, but they're all in three-match series.

 

The important thing is to get ahead of them from the start - five of those six Test series wins by touring sides came after they had won the first Test match that had a result. Let Aus get ahead, and almost always they're going to stomp you.

 

Touring Oz is only for the very, very best, and it tends to be only the very, very best that win there. This England team, sadly, are not that.

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