Tommy Fresh Posted 23 January Posted 23 January 12 minutes ago, JonnyBoy said: are you 100% sure about this? so he can say no even if we meet the 5 mill valuation? thats crap if so, but completely understand from his side if he doesn't sign Yeah it's an option, so if we bid that Rennes have to accept, but James can say no 1
ALC Fox Posted 23 January Posted 23 January (edited) The only way he stays is if we're able to convince him that the finances have been sorted to a degree where we're able to rebuild and sign some quality to get us back up. At the moment, that looks like a very remote possibility. The Macquarie rubbish, the ongoing issues with the EFL and PL, the lack of investment, all point towards us not being in a healthy position. But we are slowly getting rid of the higher earning, underperforming, wantaway players. So I think there could be a chance he stays and we rebuild. But it is a remote chance. If he doesn't sign, it's such an opportunity missed. He's been our best player by a country mile. And he ACTUALLY WANTS TO BE HERE. Despite the crap. Despite playing with some of the most disinterested bunch of professionals to ever pull on our club's shirt. It would be such a waste of an opportunity if he ends up elsewhere. Edited 23 January by ALC Fox 3 1
Finnegan Posted 23 January Posted 23 January 1 hour ago, JonnyBoy said: are you 100% sure about this? so he can say no even if we meet the 5 mill valuation? thats crap if so, but completely understand from his side if he doesn't sign An option is just a contractual pre-agreed fee with one club. Think of it as a temporary minimum fee release clause that only applies to one club and only until a fixed date, likely to be a few weeks after the window opens in the summer. Nothing to stop him turning us down and equally nothing to stop any other club making a bid which his parent club can accept. 1 1
cruzFOX Posted 23 January Posted 23 January If we lose our better players and dont get added reinforcements especially after dumping the dead wood we are cooked. if we are still straddled with the rotting dead wood unable to get rid and the above happens im done watching or going to anymore games. It tells me Top and his execs have completely checked out.
Ric Flair Posted 23 January Posted 23 January 8 hours ago, Finnegan said: An option is just a contractual pre-agreed fee with one club. Think of it as a temporary minimum fee release clause that only applies to one club and only until a fixed date, likely to be a few weeks after the window opens in the summer. Nothing to stop him turning us down and equally nothing to stop any other club making a bid which his parent club can accept. Is this common though, seldom have I ever seen the players side renegade on a deal. Alderweild is the only one I can think of but there's likely more. But it almost always is seen as the buying team who opt not to exercise the option.
Finnegan Posted 23 January Posted 23 January 1 hour ago, Ric Flair said: Is this common though, seldom have I ever seen the players side renegade on a deal. Alderweild is the only one I can think of but there's likely more. But it almost always is seen as the buying team who opt not to exercise the option. Plenty of players go on loans with an option but don't end up signing. Obviously a lot of those will be because the club didn't want to but if it's the other way around it's not like you'd often actually know right? I imagine the club are obviously going to talk to the player while he's there and gauge his interest. They're hardly going to embarrass themselves bidding if he says he doesn't want to stay. In JJ's case he was almost certainly expecting to come here to a promotion chasing side and it would have been reasonable for him to imagine we'd still be the Leicester he played against last time in the Championship. The place is an absolute mess. In his shoes would you stay, honestly?
teblin Posted 23 January Posted 23 January I think he will sign. Unless he gets an offer from a top top club in the summer.
Ric Flair Posted 23 January Posted 23 January 19 minutes ago, Finnegan said: Plenty of players go on loans with an option but don't end up signing. Obviously a lot of those will be because the club didn't want to but if it's the other way around it's not like you'd often actually know right? I imagine the club are obviously going to talk to the player while he's there and gauge his interest. They're hardly going to embarrass themselves bidding if he says he doesn't want to stay. In JJ's case he was almost certainly expecting to come here to a promotion chasing side and it would have been reasonable for him to imagine we'd still be the Leicester he played against last time in the Championship. The place is an absolute mess. In his shoes would you stay, honestly? No I wouldn't but as I've said I don't think he has a choice if we want to make it permanent. 4
ronnup Posted 23 January Posted 23 January 12 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: No I wouldn't but as I've said I don't think he has a choice if we want to make it permanent. Surely he has to agree personal terms? There'll be loads of teams better than us interested after this season and a few prem teams guaranteed I just can't see it
st albans fox Posted 23 January Posted 23 January 11 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: No I wouldn't but as I've said I don't think he has a choice if we want to make it permanent. Unless the option is predicated on him already pre agreeing a contract (which he surely wouldn’t unless it was reliant on promotion), then I’m sure he can reject. However, that can only be on the basis that if we exercise the option then his agent has to find the selling club an equal deal from another buyer.
Finnegan Posted 23 January Posted 23 January 33 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: No I wouldn't but as I've said I don't think he has a choice if we want to make it permanent. He 100% does.
Ric Flair Posted 23 January Posted 23 January Actually very few confirmed examples of players rejecting and it's because most loan with options to buy already have the contract between player and club agreed. A.I view Why this is so rare The reason you don't see this often is due to the way Pre-Agreed Contracts work: The "Double Contract": Usually, when a player signs a loan-to-buy, they sign two contracts at once: the loan contract and the permanent contract that kicks in if the option is triggered. Legal Binding: Once those are signed, the player usually has no legal ground to "reject" the move if the club pays the fee. 2
moore_94 Posted 23 January Posted 23 January (edited) 11 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: Actually very few confirmed examples of players rejecting and it's because most loan with options to buy already have the contract between player and club agreed. A.I view Why this is so rare The reason you don't see this often is due to the way Pre-Agreed Contracts work: The "Double Contract": Usually, when a player signs a loan-to-buy, they sign two contracts at once: the loan contract and the permanent contract that kicks in if the option is triggered. Legal Binding: Once those are signed, the player usually has no legal ground to "reject" the move if the club pays the fee. This is the way I always thought it worked I feel like you would hear about it happening (it is definitely something that would come out) other than the Alderweireld situation where there was a caveat of Atletico being able to pay to stop it Edited 23 January by moore_94 1
st albans fox Posted 23 January Posted 23 January 7 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: Actually very few confirmed examples of players rejecting and it's because most loan with options to buy already have the contract between player and club agreed. A.I view Why this is so rare The reason you don't see this often is due to the way Pre-Agreed Contracts work: The "Double Contract": Usually, when a player signs a loan-to-buy, they sign two contracts at once: the loan contract and the permanent contract that kicks in if the option is triggered. Legal Binding: Once those are signed, the player usually has no legal ground to "reject" the move if the club pays the fee. Which I accept I’ll just be astonished if his agent hasn’t got an opt out as long as they can replace our valuation for Rennes it’s not like we weren’t a sh1tshow last season 1
Ric Flair Posted 24 January Posted 24 January 8 hours ago, st albans fox said: Which I accept I’ll just be astonished if his agent hasn’t got an opt out as long as they can replace our valuation for Rennes it’s not like we weren’t a sh1tshow last season You could be right and the law change thst prevents re-selling straight away (still could loan with an obligation) then it might make these deals change the terms to be more in favour of the player on exercising the buy option.
wallin1704 Posted 24 January Posted 24 January This kid is a MUST BUY! Build your team around him for a few years to hopefully take us back up once we've sorted all the financial mess out. Worst case he moves on for a huge fee as he has everything about him that screams premier league. His work rate puts a lot of our so called senior pros to shame. 1
st albans fox Posted 24 January Posted 24 January 36 minutes ago, wallin1704 said: This kid is a MUST BUY! Build your team around him for a few years to hopefully take us back up once we've sorted all the financial mess out. Worst case he moves on for a huge fee as he has everything about him that screams premier league. His work rate puts a lot of our so called senior pros to shame. He is but if you’re his agent then you’d make sure he went elsewhere and earned a larger salary than we can pay, played at a higher level and with better players than we can offer and at a club which wasn’t a circus. 🤡 you wouldn’t accept that he spends any longer than he has to here for the benefit of Lcfc re transfer fee. if we’ve agreed a £5m fee and there is legal wriggle room in the contract then you’re escaping here, banking an easy 7.5m+ s/o fee next summer on top of a decent 5 year 70k/week deal somewhere like Fulham who will fall over themselves to pay Rennes the 5m. 1
Mickyblueeyes Posted 24 January Posted 24 January (edited) An option agreement, once triggered is an obligation on both parties to conclude the contract. It’s used in contractual relationships up and down the country. All over the wall. It creates certainty that when conditions are met, the contract will conclude. In this instance for the contract to conclude, the buying club NEED to have terms agreed with the player or they would be in breach of contract on triggering the option (because once triggered, the contract cannot conclude). That leaves two options: 1, as is usual, terms are already agreed with James and LCFC just need to trigger and pay the selling club the fee; or 2, the club do not trigger the option due to finances or failing to agree terms with James on entry into the option - which is not normal practice. You don’t trigger an option and then go off and negotiate with the very party you are dependant on the contract concluding. As dumb as our guys are, at the very least we will make some money out of this Edited 24 January by Mickyblueeyes 2 1
Ric Flair Posted 24 January Posted 24 January 34 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said: An option agreement, once triggered is an obligation on both parties to conclude the contract. It’s used in contractual relationships up and down the country. All over the wall. It creates certainty that when conditions are met, the contract will conclude. In this instance for the contract to conclude, the buying club NEED to have terms agreed with the player or they would be in breach of contract on triggering the option (because once triggered, the contract cannot conclude). That leaves two options: 1, as is usual, terms are already agreed with James and LCFC just need to trigger and pay the selling club the fee; or 2, the club do not trigger the option due to finances or failing to agree terms with James on entry into the option - which is not normal practice. You don’t trigger an option and then go off and negotiate with the very party you are dependant on the contract concluding. As dumb as our guys are, at the very least we will make some money out of this Thanks mate, knew you'd know.
LCFCCHRIS Posted 24 January Posted 24 January 8 goals from 21. Crazy stuff, miles better than our strikers. And a hugely positive guy. Please gerrmin. 4
lcfcbluearmy Posted 24 January Posted 24 January 4 hours ago, st albans fox said: He is but if you’re his agent then you’d make sure he went elsewhere and earned a larger salary than we can pay, played at a higher level and with better players than we can offer and at a club which wasn’t a circus. 🤡 you wouldn’t accept that he spends any longer than he has to here for the benefit of Lcfc re transfer fee. if we’ve agreed a £5m fee and there is legal wriggle room in the contract then you’re escaping here, banking an easy 7.5m+ s/o fee next summer on top of a decent 5 year 70k/week deal somewhere like Fulham who will fall over themselves to pay Rennes the 5m. Your forgetting we have rudkin negotiating the contracts he will offer him £80k per week with no performance related clauses he won't get that elsewhere
Ric Flair Posted 24 January Posted 24 January 6 hours ago, LCFCCHRIS said: 8 goals from 21. Crazy stuff, miles better than our strikers. And a hugely positive guy. Please gerrmin. 9 from 24 1
FreddieFox Posted 1 February Posted 1 February I’m told he’s having a medical at Palace today. This info comes from a close friend of his. No links so take it with a pinch of salt until this story breaks properly. 1
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