Norwich post match

[Brizzle Fox]

2 hours ago, Greg2607 said:

They are third in the form table over the last 10 games. Clement has them playing some decent stuff. 

 

Our problem, is that our team is worse than the sum of its parts because we are so unbalanced.  

 

We have to hope that we can scrape enough points to survive and that someone sensible is REALLY assessing the squad and trying to rebalance it. (I do realise that is a big ask)

 

Our season doesn't hinge on yesterday's result, we haven't lost ground on those around us, but we need a win soon.  

Yeah something like 36 pts in the last 20 games since he took over from Manning.

 

They are a decent side. 

 

Us on the other hand....

[joachim1965]

19 hours ago, PingCower said:

It will be a refresh in the sense that most of the players will be different, with a new manager, and no money. 

No money 100%, the club is in danger of folding, do people not realise this.

[Guest worth_the_wait]

59 minutes ago, Brizzle Fox said:

Yeah something like 36 pts in the last 20 games since he took over from Manning.

They are a decent side. 

Us on the other hand....

I'd just about go as far as to say, they were the most competent (best) team we've played at home this season - and that includes top 4 Cov, Middlesbro and Ipswich.

[STEVIE B]

2 minutes ago, worth_the_wait said:

I'd just about go as far as to say, they were the most competent (best) team we've played at home this season - and that includes top 4 Cov, Middlesbro and Ipswich.

They were good & l agree with you. But if any side doesn't press, play with intent, has a leaky defence, has no threat up front, no confidence, it makes it very easy for most opponents to look better than they actually are.

Norwich played with confidence, because we are so easy to play against. 

 

[honeybradger]

14 hours ago, murphy said:

Ok - so that is 13 players that you have highlighted in bold.  

 

Of the greyed ones:

 

Stolarcyk has played and played well, in The Premier League.  

Jordan James has played in the French top tier and a full international

Fatawu has literally got a Championship winners medal, a full international, the youngest of the Ghana players that played at AFCON

Kristiansen - Danish international and played in Serie A for Bologna who finished fourth

Joe Aribo - Nigerian international, runners up in AFCON, won the SPL and Scottish Cup with Rangers, 53 Premier League appearances

Patson Daka - Championship winners medal, four Austrian Bundesliga titles, Bundesliga player of the season, Zambian International played at AFCON, played in Champions League and  Premier League.

Luke Thomas - FA Cup winner, 82 Premier League appearances, England age groups up to U21

 

That's another seven to add to your thirteen.  The rest are highly rated kids breaking through such as Monga, Page, Nelson, Mukasa and all capped in their international age groups.  Nelson having earned rave reviews at Oxford last year and former academy player of the year.

 

I think I have made my point.  These players should be doing much, much better and what they continue to serve up is a disgrace.  Now. can anyone name me another Championship Squad that comes close to ours in terms of pedigree?

 

 

 

 

 

That's the issue, we have collected a team of players based on on-paper "pedigree" rather than footballing ability and attitude. Can they actually perform any better than what they are providing? I am not so sure.

 

Okoli for example was "proven" in Series A but Atalanta fans were laughing at us for buying him for £13mil without the slightest consideration that he might be worth the fee.

 

Surely any business valued in the 100s of millions should be able to do the basic due diligence on fan sentiment around a player when scouting. It took me 2 minutes looking online at the response to the transfer to know how it was going to work out.

 

It is just staggerlingly amateur, the sheer incompetence at this club is just incomprehensible. It's gotten to the point where if you picked a random FoxesTalk user to run the club over the last 5 years they wouldn't have done any worse, they certainly wouldn't have signed Jordan Ayew or Oliver Skipp.

[FoxesTalker]

To add to the recent comments, we were outplayed on the day but putting that aside, they looked like a team with far more agility despite playing a day later than ourselves during the week.

[marketharboroughfox]

7 minutes ago, FoxesTalker said:

To add to the recent comments, we were outplayed on the day but putting that aside, they looked like a team with far more agility despite playing a day later than ourselves during the week.

In fairness you couldn't get much more polar opposites in fixture difficulty comparing Boro away with Sheff W at home.

[Fox1norfolk]

20 hours ago, Lookatthebluesky said:

I didn’t see the effort that you speak of.

It was pretty obvious 50/50 balls they held back, no aggression. I guess when you in their shoes (or boots) leaving at the end of the season, why risk and injury and miss out on signing with a new club.

[FoxesTalker]

17 minutes ago, marketharboroughfox said:

In fairness you couldn't get much more polar opposites in fixture difficulty comparing Boro away with Sheff W at home.

Fair point, but it has been a theme throughout the season. Managers in general can’t coach players to have desire unfortunately.

[FoxesTez]

1 hour ago, worth_the_wait said:

I'd just about go as far as to say, they were the most competent (best) team we've played at home this season - and that includes top 4 Cov, Middlesbro and Ipswich.

I came away saying the same - they were the best side we’ve faced this season imo. 

[Rubbersoul]

Norwich are probably one of the better sides in the league. We’d still lose but I’d imagine we’d give someone like Preston a better game at the moment, despite them being higher than Norwich. 

[FoxesTez]

1 minute ago, Rubbersoul said:

Norwich are probably one of the better sides in the league. We’d still lose but I’d imagine we’d give someone like Preston a better game at the moment, despite them being higher than Norwich. 

I wonder who Preston are playing next…

 

Every chance we’re 23rd before we kick a ball next weekend. 

[Stadt]

Winning at Norwich was probably a bad result for us, we likely would have sacked Cifuentes afterwards.

[kingfox]

For all our recruitment faults, I think we saw again yesterday how weak our midfield pairing can be.

 

Not replacing Ndidi’s attributes was criminal, and it continues to hurt us massively.

[marketharboroughfox]

18 minutes ago, FoxesTalker said:

Fair point, but it has been a theme throughout the season. Managers in general can’t coach players to have desire unfortunately.

It didn't look like desire was the problem yesterday, but Norwich are a side full of confidence whereas ours are pretty fragile. Confidence makes a huge difference to players, perhaps more than it used to.

[Stadt]

17 minutes ago, kingfox said:

For all our recruitment faults, I think we saw again yesterday how weak our midfield pairing can be.

 

Not replacing Ndidi’s attributes was criminal, and it continues to hurt us massively.

We’ve repeated nearly every mistake that lead to relegation in 22/23. Not enough defensive ability in midfield, too many OOC players, late managerial sacking, unfit squad 

[honeybradger]

29 minutes ago, Stadt said:

Winning at Norwich was probably a bad result for us, we likely would have sacked Cifuentes afterwards.

Let's wait until we win a game after his sacking to decide whether we should have sacked him sooner.

 

If this form continues you could argue he turned water into wine by getting any wins from this lot.

Edited 1 March by honeybradger

[Stadt]

2 minutes ago, honeybradger said:

Let's wait until we win a game after his sacking to decide whether we should have sacked him sooner.

 

If this form continues you could argue he turned water into wine by getting any wins from this lot.

He benefitted from a bit of momentum and enthusiasm which he killed 

[Chelmofox]

31 minutes ago, Stadt said:

Winning at Norwich was probably a bad result for us, we likely would have sacked Cifuentes afterwards.

Whilst I agree, its certainly ironic that Norwich sacked Manning after that game and are now safe and probably thinking about promotion next season.

 

However, we've not changed anything since sacking Marti, and Rowett is playing the same system and has offered nothing new, as King did. Would suggest it didnt matter when you sacked Marti really because nothing was ever going to change.

[Sunbury Fox]

49 minutes ago, FoxesTez said:

I came away saying the same - they were the best side we’ve faced this season imo. 

Me and my boys thought the same. They were good on the ball, pressed really well and looked rock solid at the back. A very well coached team. I've come away from lots of games this season wondering how we could have lost to such poor quality opposition. Yesterday was not one of those games. We were simply well beaten by a much better team. 

[RowlattsFox]

Too many players missing that extra 10% you have when you genuinely care what happens to the football club. 

Some of them probably see the protests and think **** the fans. 

[beepee1984]

11 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

Whilst I agree, its certainly ironic that Norwich sacked Manning after that game and are now safe and probably thinking about promotion next season.

 

However, we've not changed anything since sacking Marti, and Rowett is playing the same system and has offered nothing new, as King did. Would suggest it didnt matter when you sacked Marti really because nothing was ever going to change.

With Marti

P29 - W10 D8 L11, GS 40 GA 43
Average pts per game 1.31
Average goals conceded per game 1.48

Without Marti

P6 - D2 L4 GS 7, GA 13

Average pts per game 0.33
Average goals conceded per game 2.17

Even if we look at just Marti's final 6 games we took 7 points, including 2 wins and only conceded 10 goals

All removing Marti did was prove to the players they don't have to turn up, because we will always blame some one else

They now put in less effort, even Rowett said they just turned up and waiting for their teammates to do something

 

[honeybradger]

25 minutes ago, Stadt said:

He benefitted from a bit of momentum and enthusiasm which he killed 

We can't play high press football because our attack and midfield have no legs.

 

We can't play defensive football because our full backs let their men get past them too easily, our midfield doesn't track runners and our cente backs are error prone.

 

We can't counterattack because we have no ball carriers in midfield and our attackers are useless.

 

The only option we have with the squad is this turgid possession football that doesn't quite work, because it's what we recruited players for. No manager we bring in can change that.

[Claudio Fannieri]

Most disturbing thing for me was the complete lack of urgency or desire, this was the opportunity to build on a little bit of positive momentum and yet we failed to show up. Even at 2-0 down there was little or no reaction. In the final 10 / 15 minutes when you would expect us to throw the proverbial sink at them, in truth we barely laid a glove on them.
 

It was a woeful and truly underwhelming performance that has only further cemented the feeling we are well and truly up to our necks in it. 

[Leicester_Loyal]

Bit of optimism due to Rowett joining but that's now gone. I won't be attending any games in March, waste of time, effort and money.

 

This club deserves to go down, lap it up, can't even muster great numbers for a protest when we're on the brink.