England vs Argentina - Weds 15th July - 20.00 (BST)

[JonnyZeroFox]

4 minutes ago, AyewJoking said:

our win in 66 doesnt really count anymore. its a different sport now.

 

 

It counts, just as much as Italy in 34, 38 and Uruguay winning twice 

Edited 2 hours ago by JonnyZeroFox

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43 minutes ago, Kitchandro said:

I don’t agree with it, it’s bad form.

 

But it does highlight how patriotic they are. It’s an advantage in international football. Look at how Croatia punch above their weight as well. How the Germans always had that winning culture through different generations. The Italians too at one point. Brazil are ashamed to score less than 3 goals in a match.

 

All these countries go through bad eras where they don’t produce players but when they do, the players realise the importance of playing for their specific country and becoming immortal. John Stones was asked about the match and he’s just reeling off generic statements with no emotion. You can bet the Argentine players acknowledged the importance of the match in their interviews. That they grew up watching clips of Maradona, that they appreciate the rivalry, etc. They knew this was about pride and glory.

 

English people aren’t patriotic and I get the feeling the World Cup is no different to the Champions League for the players. They want to win trophies, of course they do, but they don’t see the England shirt as this glorious thing that they are proud of and will treat like life and death.

 

It’s so easy for Argentines to mix politics and sport because it’s the same thing to them. England would like to win, and have the potential to, but the determination isn’t on the same level.
 

Some might disagree but mentality plays a huge part and over the years I’ve noticed England players feeling pressure and dread but rarely talking about the great England World Cup games they watched growing up or something like that. They aren’t even football fans in the traditional sense.

Assume you've been drowning your sorrows tonight as a lot of what you've written here makes no sense at all.

 

Croatia are a team in decline whom England beat quite comfortably, Germany were knocked out by Paraguay and Brazil by Norway.  As for Italy, they didn't even make it to the World Cup for the THIRD time in a row.  So unfavourable comparisons with any of those countries is nonsense.

 

While there are a lot of mercenary instincts in the England squad - as there have been since the days of Shearer, etc, to be honest - doubt their patriotic fervour as a group is any less that of the Basques and Catalonians that make up most of the present Spain line-up.

 

It's also easy to forget Argentina themselves, even during the Messi era, endured a long and painful series of tournament failures, including successive defeats to Chile on penalties in Copa America finals. Somehow, in 2021, they finally managed to overcome that hoodoo and haven't looked back since.

 

Messi and co are a battle hardened squad in a way that England aren't.

 

Can't see a coach emerging any time soon that will build a winning mentality within the current England squad. Like many before him, Tuchel has proved to be a triumph of hype over substance.

[whoareyaaa]

Can’t get sleep what a pathetic manger 

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17 minutes ago, JonnyZeroFox said:

Yeah in 2018 when the team we had wasn’t of this quality… I think people are just accepting English players are shit… Kane, Bellingham, Gordon, rice, Guehi… Southgate didn’t have. Croatia were better than us then, Argentina aren’t.. you can laugh and say well they outclassed us. But they really don’t have the talent we have.. I mean we left foden, palmer, Trent.. and gibbs white at home.. 

Arguably Harry Maguire was the biggest miss of all. Think he'd have contributed more than Stones or Burn did..

[whoareyaaa]

He could have used Mainoo Rashford and Watkins all this team shit 2 didn’t even get a minute 

[Dan]

1 hour ago, FrankieADZ said:

yeah great, cant wait for england to failure again in the euros 

I just don't understand this at this point. "Full backing" after that?

 

I've been behind Tuchel, no regrets about that either, but he has massively let us down in an enormous game. I don't know how it can be that set in stone.

 

What a disappointment.

[AyewJoking]

39 minutes ago, JonnyZeroFox said:

It counts, just as much as Italy in 34, 38 and Uruguay winning twice 

they shouldnt count either

[STUHILL]

12 minutes ago, AyewJoking said:

they shouldnt count either

this is just dumb. 

 

all World Cup winners count. End of. 

[Pliskin]

It was a complete tactical **** up for me. Ultra defensive for 20 minutes with absolutely no outlet on the pitch at all? It’s just basic football tactics, if you gift a team as good as Argentina the ball constantly for 20 odd minutes with no reprieve, you’ll concede. It was utterly suicidal from Tuchel. 
 

England always recruit the wrong managers, they should have won a major tournament in the last 10-20 years, but time after time, poor managers are recruited and create a spineless, characterless group of players who fold like a deckchair when it matters.

 

The biggest scandal for this England team is not even managing to beat the worst Italian team in modern history….. 

 

If England are to ever win a major tournament again, the FA need to have a complete overhaul, and a completely different approach. 

[SouthStandUpperTier]

With how many games these players have to play for club and country you can't afford to waste a single squad space now. As the tournament went on it was clear some of the players were either completely knackered (Kane and Rice) and/or not 100% fit (Rice again, Saka, James). Tuchel clearly didn't trust the likes of Watkins, Toney and Mainoo to do a job for him even for 15-20 minutes and this needs to be addressed.

[KingsX]

“In the 31 minutes between Anthony Gordon’s opener and Enzo Fernandez’s sensational equalizer, England saw just 12 percent of the ball. They took only nine touches in the attacking third, 165 fewer than their opponents.”

 

 hard to believe unless you watched the match!