Jon the Hat Posted 12 January 2007 Posted 12 January 2007 It looks more like the Mockery have been selective with their editing. I would guess that the FT said something like, "Mandaric did a great job with Portsmouth, left them in a much better situation, well-respected by Portsmouth fans et. etc. But you have to say he has had questionable judgement with managers." And the Mockery just picked up the last bit. I can believe that. The FT would do well to publish the entire interview.
Babylon Posted 12 January 2007 Posted 12 January 2007 It's the inflated transfere and wages thing and the manager thing that gets me, they never say anything positive about the man, there always putting doubt in your mind, they're just as bad as the Merc, no one or no thing is perfect, but it's pretty fair to say anything is better the Plan B, as they haven't come up with it yet. We call all see how badly were struggling to for money, if something doesn't change eventully we will be back in admin in league one. This was a reply to the mercurys questions remember. They are pointing out to the MERCURY that they are going to cost us money by constantly spouting the £25m figure. They are not moaning about Milan putting money in, they are moaning about the Mercury!!!!!!! The Mercury has stringed quotes together to look like a statement. What about the questions they asked the Trust??? Why are they not printed so we can actuallly see what they were answering. This is just more mercury propaganda to make the trust look bad.
Manwell Pablo Posted 12 January 2007 Posted 12 January 2007 There has been plenty of positive spin, they are trying to add some balance. Yes from the Mercury, it's not their job to correct the balance.
Dr The Singh Posted 12 January 2007 Posted 12 January 2007 Because the Mercury sports team have gone to war with the trust. They didn't like the fact the trust pointed out that they were talking absolute garbage half the time. It states in the article that what the trust said was to answer questions the Mercury asked them. The trust didn't just come out with the statement for the sake of it. I understand your point, the FT have concerns and rightfully and have the right to portray them, but the timing and the way it was done is farcical, the FT should have used more common sense, 'the voice of the fans' have let them down by giving the mercury and oppportunity to give such a one way unfavourable interview towards Mandaric!!!
Ric Flair Posted 12 January 2007 Posted 12 January 2007 The thing that irks me the most is that The Trust are doing with Mandaric exactly what they should have been doing with our board for the past few years. Not deliberatly trying to cause trouble but making their presence felt and representing the fans when things weren't going right. I cannot remember a time where The Trust have been even slightly critical of our board and let's remember this board has guided us to one of the worst periods in history of LCFC. And not doing so has hardly helped matters has it? It's just led fans to question what's the exact point of The Trust. Fair play to them for questioning Mandaric's intentions, etc. But it's very strange that they've not done this with our current board. They are up the board's arse, plain and simple. Our board have taken us as far as they can. There is very little alternative to Mandaric. I just honestly think The Trust think our board have done a grand job here at Leicester, and that suggests to me that they are plonkers.
Manwell Pablo Posted 12 January 2007 Posted 12 January 2007 Which ever way you look at this the FT could have handled this a lot better, they have enough opposition, there are plenty of people who think like me, Barton Fox, Dave, Ric etc etc who think the Foxes Trust works for the current board more than the fans and achieves very few things that make our lives as fans better. Now even if this is a genuine attempt to bring the fans the truth (which I dont think paints the full picture) why do it in the way they have? The normal FT sarcy patronising tone which it uses to undermine the fans its suppose to represent was used to address the Mercurys reporting. I remember the FT actually mentioning the Mercury’s name and calling their figures rubbish, amongst other sniping comments about the paper on other message boards as well as this one, I think it one point they even said printing incorrect figures/facts was typical of the LC. Even if they're correct the way they address the problem is unprofessional, all they have to say is that the there that they have no evidence to suggest the bid is 25 million, that’s it instead of all this name calling. Now IMO they are getting a response from a the paper and TBH they deserve it for being so stupid and unprofessional, and not for the first time. Daft comments about the tigers amongst other dodgy PR, poor communication, lack of results, insult exchanging with people on this forum, their not a fans organisation they're a ****ing joke. And where does this leave them? They have the same people who wanted them gone before all this started hating them even, as well as Joe Smith from Beymont Leyes who has just picked up the Leicester Mercury and read all about the evil Foxes Trust. Unfortunately we're stuck with the Mercury, if you don't want to read it it's quite simple, don't buy it, that’s what I do. However the FT we are not stuck with and the sooner they have no share in this club the better.
Ric Flair Posted 12 January 2007 Posted 12 January 2007 Which ever way you look at this the FT could have handled this a lot better, they have enough opposition, there are plenty of people who think like me, Barton Fox, Dave, Ric etc etc who think the Foxes Trust works for the current board more than the fans and achieves very few things that make our lives as fans better. Now even if this is a genuine attempt to bring the fans the truth (which I dont think paints the full picture) why do it in the way they have? The normal FT sarcy patronising tone which it uses to undermine the fans its suppose to represent was used to address the Mercurys reporting. I remember the FT actually mentioning the Mercury’s name and calling their figures rubbish, amongst other sniping comments about the paper on other message boards as well as this one, I think it one point they even said the mentioning incorrect figures was typical of the LC. Even if they're correct the way they address the problem is unprofessional, all they have to say is that the there that they have no evidence to suggest the bid is 25 million, that’s it instead of all this name calling. Now IMO they are getting a response from a the paper and TBH they deserve it for being so stupid and unprofessional, and not for the first time. Daft comments about the tigers amongst other dodgy PR, poor communication, lack of results, insult exchanging with people on this forum, their not a fans organisation their a ****ing joke. And where does this leave them? They have the same people who wanted them gone before all this started hating them even, as well as Joe Smith from Beymont Leyes who has just picked up the Leicester Mercury and read all about the evil Foxes Trust. Unfortunately we're stuck with the Mercury, if you don't want to read it it's quite simple, don't buy it that’s, what I do. However the FT we are not stuck with and the sooner they have no share in this club the better. Nailed it, kid!. Well said. On a side note. The news that RK still can't bring anybody in having got rid of 2 players in the past week, highlights the serious problem this club is in. No MM and it's not worth bothering with any longer.
Fox in a Box Posted 12 January 2007 Posted 12 January 2007 Anyone up for a sing song? Yep start it Dave!
amitoo Posted 12 January 2007 Posted 12 January 2007 I think we should just leave the MM thing for now if it happends it happends if not they are pretty muched f**ked...but for now lets get behind the boys with a very important game tomorrow, COME ON YOU FOXESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Smudge Posted 12 January 2007 Posted 12 January 2007 When MM made his tentative offer, I strongly criticized the FT for what I called a "pre-emptive missile" at the deal. My criticism was not about what they said but when they said it, I felt that making demands before the offer was known was totally out of order. They have continued to behave in this unprofesional way throughout. Their comments on this forum seemed bizarre and confusing until Dave informed me that several members of the Trust were posting and therefore, we were hearing several spokesmen put in their opinions. They purport to represent the fans, they don't, who made that rule? They represent the members of the Foxes Trust and no one else. As Ric says, if they had been doing their "watchdog" role, many more questions would have been asked in the past than have been. They are a squeaky wheel who crave attention, they have no mandate from the fans, no power at all, in fact. I'm sure they are an irritant to the Board that has to be listened to but I can only believe that they are "patted on the head" in some patronizing way and mainly ignored.
He's not bald Posted 12 January 2007 Posted 12 January 2007 Would someone mind filling me in on what's going on? I've been away since Tuesday when I went everyone was up-beat and expected that the MM deal was about to be finalised..I've just walked in and sat down to all this doom and gloom I haven't been able to access the net and I've been out of the country so not kept up with the news...has something happened to the takeover that I'm not aware of?
morris1234 Posted 12 January 2007 Posted 12 January 2007 basically everyone wants to shoot the foxes trust
Surreal Madrid Posted 12 January 2007 Posted 12 January 2007 They purport to represent the fans, they don't, who made that rule? They represent the members of the Foxes Trust and no one else. I am a member of the FT and you are quite right, they represent represent the views of their members, trying to represent the views of the supporters as a whole is just plain impossible - how do you canvass their views, and how would you define a supporter - season ticket holder, someone who goes to a few games, someone who goes to no games because of money constraints, etc. They represent the largest organised group of fans and that is it. What they hope to do, I guess is to represent the interests of all supporters, but as the old saying goes, you can't please all of the people all of the time.
Surreal Madrid Posted 12 January 2007 Posted 12 January 2007 Would someone mind filling me in on what's going on? I've been away since Tuesday when I went everyone was up-beat and expected that the MM deal was about to be finalised..I've just walked in and sat down to all this doom and gloom I haven't been able to access the net and I've been out of the country so not kept up with the news...has something happened to the takeover that I'm not aware of? Judging by the recent activity ( paying Sylla off ) I would guess MM will be in pretty shortly.
Smudge Posted 12 January 2007 Posted 12 January 2007 I am a member of the FT and you are quite right, they represent represent the views of their members, trying to represent the views of the supporters as a whole is just plain impossible - how do you canvass their views, and how would you define a supporter - season ticket holder, someone who goes to a few games, someone who goes to no games because of money constraints, etc. They represent the largest organised group of fans and that is it. What they hope to do, I guess is to represent the interests of all supporters, but as the old saying goes, you can't please all of the people all of the time. I agree so why do they seemingly think they do represent us if they don't? However, that really isn't the main issue, for me it's their behaviour, which from my point of view, is highly questionable. Anyhoo, I, like others, am also bored with this and much prefer looking forward rather than back.
Brummie-FOX Posted 12 January 2007 Posted 12 January 2007 This is starting to get to me now. All the trust bashing, and now people watching SkySportsNews 24/7 waiting to hear a breakthrough. It can't just happen. Unfortunately it takes time and we're just going to have to wait until the deal is confirmed, assuming it goes ahead.
Ultra Posted 12 January 2007 Posted 12 January 2007 Which ever way you look at this the FT could have handled this a lot better, they have enough opposition, there are plenty of people who think like me, Barton Fox, Dave, Ric etc etc who think the Foxes Trust works for the current board more than the fans and achieves very few things that make our lives as fans better. Now even if this is a genuine attempt to bring the fans the truth (which I dont think paints the full picture) why do it in the way they have? The normal FT sarcy patronising tone which it uses to undermine the fans its suppose to represent was used to address the Mercurys reporting. I remember the FT actually mentioning the Mercury’s name and calling their figures rubbish, amongst other sniping comments about the paper on other message boards as well as this one, I think it one point they even said printing incorrect figures/facts was typical of the LC. Even if they're correct the way they address the problem is unprofessional, all they have to say is that the there that they have no evidence to suggest the bid is 25 million, that’s it instead of all this name calling. Now IMO they are getting a response from a the paper and TBH they deserve it for being so stupid and unprofessional, and not for the first time. Daft comments about the tigers amongst other dodgy PR, poor communication, lack of results, insult exchanging with people on this forum, their not a fans organisation they're a ****ing joke. And where does this leave them? They have the same people who wanted them gone before all this started hating them even, as well as Joe Smith from Beymont Leyes who has just picked up the Leicester Mercury and read all about the evil Foxes Trust. Unfortunately we're stuck with the Mercury, if you don't want to read it it's quite simple, don't buy it, that’s what I do. However the FT we are not stuck with and the sooner they have no share in this club the better. But you and others have been up Milan's arse from day one. You have constantly believed what he's been spouting via the Mercury even when it's been proved to be in direct contravention to the facts. So who's REALLY being stupid and unprofessional? Not the Trust..
Fez of Mahrez Posted 12 January 2007 Posted 12 January 2007 But you and others have been up Milan's arse from day one. You have constantly believed what he's been spouting via the Mercury even when it's been proved to be in direct contravention to the facts. So who's REALLY being stupid and unprofessional? Not the Trust.. FOXES
MalcAndJanet Posted 12 January 2007 Posted 12 January 2007 But you and others have been up Milan's arse from day one. You have constantly believed what he's been spouting via the Mercury even when it's been proved to be in direct contravention to the facts. So who's REALLY being stupid and unprofessional? Not the Trust.. If only it was that simple. There have been a lot of things wrong with all of this. The Trust have done a few things right, but I have been amazed at some of the unprofessional things they've chipped in with too. A lot of those things are on record on this site.
Daggers Posted 12 January 2007 Posted 12 January 2007 But you and others have been up Milan's arse from day one. You have constantly believed what he's been spouting via the Mercury even when it's been proved to be in direct contravention to the facts. So who's REALLY being stupid and unprofessional? Not the Trust.. Can't answer the unprofessional aspect of the question but I SO know the answer to the stupid bit ~ don't look now Ultra but I think your flies are open. Again...
MBK Posted 12 January 2007 Posted 12 January 2007 This MM business is getting everyone too excited for their own good. Never seen so much bickering and bitching around a football club.
Daggers Posted 12 January 2007 Posted 12 January 2007 This MM business is getting everyone too excited for their own good. Never seen so much bickering and bitching around a football club. You must be new here
tewkesbury-fox Posted 12 January 2007 Posted 12 January 2007 But you and others have been up Milan's arse from day one. You have constantly believed what he's been spouting via the Mercury even when it's been proved to be in direct contravention to the facts. So who's REALLY being stupid and unprofessional? Not the Trust.. Having read quite a few posts on here over this last week it seems to me the Mercury and the F/T have got them selves into a media war i just think the F/T should refrain from rising to the bait. The paper is blatantly emitting any old tit bit it can get its grubby hands on, which for someone reason the F/T feels it needs to respond to,most of the City fans havent got there heads in the sand,if MM takes over he isnt going to suddenly pump millions and millions into the club for transfers and wages,his 1st job will be steady the club which is losing money, and get the ship on a even keel,which is what i want to see most of all.
Manwell Pablo Posted 12 January 2007 Posted 12 January 2007 But you and others have been up Milan's arse from day one. You have constantly believed what he's been spouting via the Mercury even when it's been proved to be in direct contravention to the facts. So who's REALLY being stupid and unprofessional? Not the Trust.. Well Ultra for a start off im not a organsation in the public eye so I can get away with being "stupid and unproffesional" to address the only thing resembling a point in that post. Again as I've said this a long running thing not just concearning their actions during this take over. Read back and you'll see I was far from "up his arse from day one"
Mort Posted 12 January 2007 Posted 12 January 2007 But you and others have been up Milan's arse from day one. You have constantly believed what he's been spouting via the Mercury even when it's been proved to be in direct contravention to the facts. So who's REALLY being stupid and unprofessional? Not the Trust.. And you and others have been irrational in your distrust of MM and barmy belife that there somthing comprable or better out there... the fact is both the Merc and the FT have been idiots over the last few months with regards to the takeover talks... the difference is that the Merc is a tabloid with no obligation to do anything other than sell copies of itself, the FT on the other hand is meant to be the voie of City supporters within the Club ...fact is they've fulfilled this role, while our club has gone from rack-to-ruin we've not heard so much as a squeek from the FT and now, suddenly they've taken it upon themselves to offer the most barmy critique of the MM deal ("driving up transfere fees" - we could even afford a free transfere at the moment! - "bad track record with managers" - and the current mob have done any better!?... frankly its laughable )
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