Leicester City Ultras?

[lildave3]

I appreciate what you are saying Dave. We're looking at doing things through the club so they could be certain that there would be no trouble/hooliganism involved in what we're trying to do. I wonder, though, if we'd have just stormed in and taken over an area next to the away fans whether people would have branded us all chavs as well (like they have with L1) and said we were hooligan wannabes just there to cause trouble?

It's a no-win situation in some respects imo.

At the end of the day, who cares if people think your just a bunch of chavs? If we create an atmosphere and have a good time i don't see the problem.

[lcfc_jme]

At the end of the day, who cares if people think your just a bunch of chavs? If we create an atmosphere and have a good time i don't see the problem.

Hmm I guess you could well be right... I'll get on to Standupandsing tomorrow and discuss this with him (as I did before he put the idea on here) The site will still open, and we will still require the names and email addresses of people who wish to join the group though.

If we choose not to go through the club, then I think something could well happen sooner than everyone thinks (i.e the Birmingham or Luton game)

[lildave3]

Hmm I guess you could well be right... I'll get on to Standupandsing tomorrow and discuss this with him (as I did before he put the idea on here) The site will still open, and we will still require the names and email addresses of people who wish to join the group though.

If we choose not to go through the club, then I think something could well happen sooner than everyone thinks (i.e the Birmingham or Luton game)

What does that mean for STH's? Will we have to move our season ticket seats?

[lcfc_jme]

What does that mean for STH's? Will we have to move our season ticket seats?

This is exactly why we'd be needing names and email addresses of those wanting to be involved - so contacting them about what was happening would become so much easier and could be done in advance so things could be sorted out

As of yet, nothing is finalised, and we don't know when anything will be taking place. I was just using those two games as an example of how quickly something could come about if we decided to take the route recently suggested on here (not through the club)

[Daggers]

I appreciate what you are saying Dave. We're looking at doing things through the club so they could be certain that there would be no trouble/hooliganism involved in what we're trying to do. I wonder, though, if we'd have just stormed in and taken over an area next to the away fans whether people would have branded us all chavs as well (like they have with L1) and said we were hooligan wannabes just there to cause trouble?

It's a no-win situation in some respects imo.

If a group of you just started turning up with flags, smiles and chants I really can't see the problem. As soon as you start to label it a 'group' and use the evocative term 'Ultras' then you are going to run into problems when you ask for permission

I reckon if you just start doing it somewhere that what you want is already tolerated you're onto a banker.

A wise friend of mine pointed out once that it is always best to apologise afterwards than seek permission first.

[lcfc_jme]

If a group of you just started turning up with flags, smiles and chants I really can't see the problem. As soon as you start to label it a 'group' and use the evocative term 'Ultras' then you are going to run into problems when you ask for permission

I reckon if you just start doing it somewhere that what you want is already tolerated you're onto a banker.

A wise friend of mine pointed out once that it is always best to apologise afterwards than seek permission first.

Thanks for the advice It's much appreciated and it will definitely be taken into consideration methinks

So you reckon we should just turn up at a place in the ground and do what we have planned as opposed to trying to get the club onside first?

[BartonFox]

*cough* Chav *cough* !!!

Your asking for a Zoolander-esque catwalk walk-off old son

[lookwhaticando]

Your asking for a Zoolander-esque catwalk walk-off old son

I'm David Bowie, should I adjudicate?

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Fosse Bandits?

[The People's Hero]

Absolutely. It goes without saying that George from Asda is where it's at, combined with some items from M&S.

And scarves tied in that stupid modern way are out too.

Until this group presents its policies on George, scarves, flasks and Tupperware boxes with cheese and onion sandwiches I shall be reserving judgement.

[The People's Hero]

To be blunt, you are lucky to have this forum as a vehicle for such a campaign to get a foothold among fan who would normally not get to know each other.

For something to be made a sticky, it needs to be an idea (not the decision itself) which is endorsed and approved by a vast majority of mods and admin, which I would hazard a guess at not being the case.

Personally, I think it's a good idea in principle and if it gains enough support it will stay at the top of the forum anyway without the need to be made a sticky.

Yes. Survival of the fittest.

[Floating Fox]

I'm certainly all for moving with the ultra's I certainly think it would be better taking over the family stand. But the Kop remains a decent possibility.

I only have two worries

1) I'll end up getting an ST back in the kop and 1st games being told to sit down because my row is too low and doesnt qualify for the ultras section. But obviously thats where the clubs support would come in.

2) If all the decent fans evacuate L1 then what will be left kids between 10 and 16 who have hardly ever been and start singing songs such as " We heard you slept with your sister" or fatty give us a wave" some of these songs I fear give us a very bad name and I'm imbarrased to be associated with these songs.

Sheephead

To answer your worries

1) After going for most home games for 3 years now I have Never seen anyone told off for standing in the kop since they have had a relaxed stewarding policy. I was once told to sit down when the stewards where ruff a few years ago but never since.

2) This would be a problem and if we aren't aloud block N then the kop would look like our likely destination and this could lead to the same problem's but at least you would have a group of singers toghther instead of spreadout.

[Manwell Pablo]

Thanks for the advice It's much appreciated and it will definitely be taken into consideration methinks

So you reckon we should just turn up at a place in the ground and do what we have planned as opposed to trying to get the club onside first?

It's a better idea, there a certain things you want to enforce such as standing for the whole game that will club will never ever agree to, they will inform you that it's a all seater stadium and that standing for 90 minutes is against Health and Safety rules.

Also the term Ultras will put the shitters up them straight away, I'd do some reseatch into other Ultra groups and consider what your organising and where your trying to organise it and consider whether or not it's possible.

[Floating Fox]

Well if our name was to be 'Spion Kopites' we could do the 'We're the spion kop, we're the spion kop, we're the spion kop over here' not sure about L1 though.

Before anyone says we used to sing this at Filbo, i know.

We are the Fosse Ultra's?

[Floating Fox]

It's a better idea, there a certain things you want to enforce such as standing for the whole game that will club will never ever agree to, they will inform you that it's a all seater stadium and that standing for 90 minutes is against Health and Safety rules.

Also the term Ultras will put the shitters up them straight away, I'd do some reseatch into other Ultra groups and consider what your organising and where your trying to organise it and consider whether or not it's possible.

We have done research. Crystal Palace (An Example in this league) have a very large group and are aloud to stand all game. Maybe the club dont have to support the standing idea but they don't do anything about it like in L1.

[Floating Fox]

With due respect to all ~ your campaign stands as much chance of success as Kelly has of being in charge this time next season...if you ask for permission.

L1 already has tacit allowance for people to stand...so just go there with your flags and join in ~ no permission, no bollocks. No one at the club is going to give you an enclosure. No one at the club is going to grant you permission, this is not Italy.

If you want this then the more you all procrastinate the less it will ever happen. Just do it; no website, no emails, no permission seeking, no 'what shall we call ourselves', no sticky threads - just do it.

People decry the families and yet here you all are acting like polite, nice middle class boys. If you create a place for yourselves and make a noise, like minded people will join you.

IF the club does support us though the thing could take off I think out plans our reasonable - the Foxes Trust has somewhat supported them so I see know harm in talking to the club about it.

IF we had no wesbite, and just waited for people to join us I think it would go no-where becasue people are reluctant to move even if it is for there own good.

We don't particularly want to go in L1 either because it has already a bad reputation and is A chav hotspot (Well so I'm told )I dont think that just jumping and And doing it all straight away is good for a long term, sustainable plan.

[Floating Fox]

If a group of you just started turning up with flags, smiles and chants I really can't see the problem. As soon as you start to label it a 'group' and use the evocative term 'Ultras' then you are going to run into problems when you ask for permission

I reckon if you just start doing it somewhere that what you want is already tolerated you're onto a banker.

A wise friend of mine pointed out once that it is always best to apologise afterwards than seek permission first.

It is clear you haven't done any reasearch into Ultras.

The term may be realted to violence outside of the country but in the UK it is more teenagers who just want to bring some fun back into watching football. There is hardly any violence that has anything do to with an Ultra group in the UK.

So if we didnt ask permission, went ahead with the idea and the club really disagreed with the idea and ripped our flags and stuff up and then through us out (unlikely, but by the way some of you discribe the stewarding it wouldn't be impossible) Then we apologise afterwards and everything is okay? This is the best way?

At least if we talk to the club first then we will know there stance on it and know what to expect from them and maybe the will give us some support? Who knows but I totally disagree with what you are saying.

[Manwell Pablo]

We have done research. Crystal Palace (An Example in this league) have a very large group and are aloud to stand all game. Maybe the club dont have to support the standing idea but they don't do anything about it like in L1.

The club tolerate L1 standing as there are about 50-75 that stand all game, and they relise theres always going to be a bit of argy bargy near the away fans, they have extra Stewards and police in the area. Allowing a group of organised singers a large section of the kop is a completley matter. It's going to cost them money, have you thought about this from the clubs point of view? are they overly bothred about atmosphere? Do they think this idea will clash with their targeting of young fans? Andrew Taylor and Simon Jordan are two very differnt people.

Do you know anything about the CP group apart from the fact they exisist and are allowed to stand, how did they get round the health and safety obstacle (because I assure you it does exisist) ? How do they run their group (Websites and what have you)? Have you though about contacting the bloke who runs it?

[Phube]

Your asking for a Zoolander-esque catwalk walk-off old son

Be worried... I've perfected Blue Steel!!!

[Floating Fox]

The club tolerate L1 standing as there are about 50-75 that stand all game, and they relise theres always going to be a bit of argy bargy near the away fans, they have extra Stewards and police in the area. Allowing a group of organised singers a large section of the kop is a completley matter. It's going to cost them money, have you thought about this from the clubs point of view? are they overly bothred about atmosphere? Do they think this idea will clash with their targeting of young fans? Andrew Taylor and Simon Jordan are two very differnt people.

Do you know anything about the CP group apart from the fact they exisist and are allowed to stand, how did they get round the health and safety obstacle (because I assure you it does exisist) ? How do they run their group (Websites and what have you)? Have you though about contacting the bloke who runs it?

Yes I have looked in this more than you think MP. I have spoken to some members of the Cp group and they say they made meetings with the club and just kept on about it untill they were aloud it. I have also spoken to a member of Man City group which has been set up very recently and he said they got finacial baking through paypal donations and selling merchandise

There are a few more than 50 people that stand in L1 as well more like 200-500.

I dont see how it would cost them extra if done in the kop (maybe so in block N)

I think the club are bothered about atmosphere i.e The Flags handed out, The idea of a band.

[Manwell Pablo]

Yes I have looked in this more than you think MP. I have spoken to some members of the Cp group and they say they made meetings with the club and just kept on about it untill they were aloud it. I have also spoken to a member of Man City group which has been set up very recently and he said they got finacial baking through paypal donations and selling merchandise

There are a few more than 50 people that stand in L1 as well more like 200-500.

I dont see how it would cost them extra if done in the kop (maybe so in block N)

I think the club are bothered about atmosphere i.e The Flags handed out, The idea of a band.

I didn't know how much you had looked into it, that would be why I asked .

Good to see you've done your research and appericate how much work it's going to be.

It'll cost the club more as they will have to retain the stewarding in L1 and pay for more in your desired area.

Flags being handed out and bands are family friendly, which IMO is the way the people at the top have been trying to push the club for a long time. Your idea agenda is far differnt from theirs IMO, and you will have a long hard slog getting any joy out of them.

[Floating Fox]

I didn't know how much you had looked into it, that would be why I asked .

Good to see you've done your research and appericate how much work it's going to be.

It'll cost the club more as they will have to retain the stewarding in L1 and pay for more in your desired area.

Flags being handed out and bands are family friendly, which IMO is the way the people at the top have been trying to push the club for a long time. Your idea agenda is far differnt from theirs IMO, and you will have a long hard slog getting any joy out of them.

I agree they are family friendly and Yes we will have to work hard to get this going but TD seem's like a decent bloke to me and hopefully this will work

[Manwell Pablo]

I agree they are family friendly and Yes we will have to work hard to get this going but TD seem's like a decent bloke to me and hopefully this will work

Well if you ever get it done I'll sit there.

[Floating Fox]

Well if you ever get it done I'll sit stand there.

[Fox63]

I've been monitoring this thread for a while now and fully support the principal of an'Ultra' style group. However, I understand the idea of having a section either side of the away fans (as at Soton) but I think the club will be against any take over of N block. Have I got this wrong, but isn't N block an overspill for away fans. If the singing got going in the Kop then there would be considerable noise created. I know the Kop can be quiet sometimes but generally that reflects what is happening on the pitch but what makes people think that L block are the only section that sing. L block, while there to intimidate and provoke responses from away supporters, cannot be heard from the Kop. If people sing for long enough the noise continues. I've heard and been involved in sustained chanting from the Kop and I reckon the sooner L block move back to the Kop the sooner the atmosphere will return.

It is a shame that LCFC put the away block in the wrong place when they got togther when planning the stadium but I fear that what could be seen as a provocative move into the family enclosure will be stopped.

Ultra groups in the Kop. That's where they should be. Singing in isolated pockets is the root of the current situation. There is a danger that there will be two small groups of singers and standers (L and N blocks) and still no atmosphere.

[OriginalRobboFOX]

L should filter into K and Land K could be the base.