Mr Happy Posted 22 July 2007 Posted 22 July 2007 No problem It had to be said, he's not good enough. So we have all estabilished the fact that MDV isn't good enough but the poor geezer is trying maybe we should him some slack, let him get through pre-season and then hopefully we'll all be able to make a better judgement on whether or not he has improved (bearing in mind he hasn't played in england for quite a while now) Although this really all depends on who we next bring in I believe, if its a striker MDV is history at lcfc, if it isnt he's here for the season. That said at the end of the day what we, the fans, think doesn't really matter because if MA decides he'll play a major part in this coming season then thats it. End of. We can all voice our own opions but we can't sway the managers, just like we can't sway each others on FT.
Jimmy Posted 23 July 2007 Posted 23 July 2007 so you didn't notice MA shouting then?..hey your not omnipetent after all! MA was also shouting at hume, n'gotty and everyone else in a blue shirt, i know we had levein and kelly in charge but surely you can still remember the days when our managers shouted instructions to players. as for mdv if he earns a repreave from ma then i will support him whole heartedly whilst he is in the team, but that said however that doesnt mean i wont critersize him (or any player) that isn't up to it, some people on here need to remember that the job of supporters is to encourage the team, not find any reason they can to bitch for the sake of bitching. you can only beat the oppersition you are given and so far mdv has done well, looks in decent shape and earned a second chance, howmany other players would of sulked and not bothered in training after being transfer listed without even meeting the new manager?
Chrysalis Posted 23 July 2007 Posted 23 July 2007 I've always given reasons for criticism of any player and, while I might have failed, I've tried to make sure the reasons have some basis in fact.Yet for reasons I don't really understand, Fryatt is a bit of a favourite and you might mistakenly think I don't like him. In fact I don't give an old farthing about him personally, one way or another. All I care about is how good a centre-forward he is and whether he justifies his place in team. If he scored 20 goals a season there wouldn't be an issue. But the truth is he doesn't and has never yuet suggested he might. I don't give a damn about MDV either. But when I hear a guy who scored 29 goals in 72 matches being pilloried while a bloke who has never threatened to score at that rate in senior football is championed, it cheeses me off. It seems that MDV has been made a bit of a scapegoat by some, quite simply because they'd rather have Fryatt in the team whatever. MDV is an ugly footballer, same as Hammond, whereas Fryatt is elegant, almost sophisticated by comparison. But there have been lots of ugly footballers who have done well at Leicester over the last 50 years. Frank Large was ugliness personified. Alan Woollett the same. But they sure did their job at the time while some of the more eyecatching talents didn't have nearly the same impact.. Everyone knows Fryatt hasn't had a good 14 months. Hammond did considerably better and MDV has had slightly more effect than Fryatt this pre-season in the only currency that counts, goals & assists.. I would like that to change. In that I'd like Fryatt to demonstrate, as a striker, that he's worth all the presently subdued adulation. It would help give us the right sort of selection problems and if you doubt my sincerity on the issue look at the match rating I gave for Fryatt after he scored against Notts county and the rating I've given him overall thus far. I don't think either suggest bias against him when he does well. But I sure recognise when people are prepared to ignore the facts and even pillory others as a means of promoting someone else's cause. And to me that isn't right or justified. Any more than it is fair to assume Nielsen is going to be a better goalkeeper than Logan or Henderson. Or to reckon Hayes is better than Porter cos he has one decent half game or that Ka'ebi will necessarily take the Championship by storm. I agree but you wasting your time, people seem hard set on fryatt and keep going on about potential.
act smiley Posted 23 July 2007 Posted 23 July 2007 I don't give a damn about MDV either. But when I hear a guy who scored 29 goals in 72 matches being pilloried while a bloke who has never threatened to score at that rate in senior football is championed, it cheeses me off. 27 in 70, a rate of 0.39 goals per game. 29 in 72, a rate of 0.4 goals per game. Yup, never threatened to match it at all. I agree that DeVries has been overly criticised, but I struggle to see why you can't accept that people might want to stick by Fryatt in the hope that he can regain the form he had at first, as he's shown some useful bits of skill at times. Both of them strike me as useful players to have about, unlike say, Hammond.
Thracian Posted 23 July 2007 Posted 23 July 2007 27 in 70, a rate of 0.39 goals per game.29 in 72, a rate of 0.4 goals per game. Yup, never threatened to match it at all. I agree that DeVries has been overly criticised, but I struggle to see why you can't accept that people might want to stick by Fryatt in the hope that he can regain the form he had at first, as he's shown some useful bits of skill at times. Both of them strike me as useful players to have about, unlike say, Hammond. I think we've crossed lines. I'm talking senior football as in Championship or above. Anyway, no-one would contest that he shows skill at times. Indeed I'd say those skills at his best are almost good enough to hide his limitations in other departments. But he needs to be at his best far more often. And he'll have to work so hard to develop in areas where he's lacking. As for Hammond, it is abundantly clear that words will be wasted trying to get you to appreciate anything that he does. Suffice to say he was far more useful to us than Fryatt last season.
Daggers Posted 23 July 2007 Posted 23 July 2007 4) He's Better than Elvis. Ahh...but is he better than The Beatles? And seeing that they were greater than God - are you seriously saying that MDV is as good as, if not better than, Fowler? Madness gone mad I tell you, madness gone mad.
Toby or not Toby Posted 23 July 2007 Posted 23 July 2007 The Mercury De Vries has been included in the squad to go Scotland, but there is no place for levi porter!
Lineker's Left Foot Posted 23 July 2007 Posted 23 July 2007 From what ive heard this guy has made a lot of effort and is fitter than he has been in previous season`s the other thing u also hav to take into consideration is the service that has been given to all of our strikers in the past has been more of a problem, with the service He will be a great target man and when i last went to see leicester play not this season but the one previous at st mary`s our game plan was to play long balls to humey and fryatt and there not the biggest players . With the option to play the ball up to De Vries he will be a good foil for any of our strikers. Its quite obvious that many of our supporters dont hold a very high opinion of him but everyone deserves a chance, even Fryatt has been questioned after last season and i personally think he will be key to us getting promoted for the coming season. Yes even to some extent, even I think he's come in for some harsh stick !! Although his motivation needs to improve !!
David Villa Posted 23 July 2007 Posted 23 July 2007 I think De Vries will be a great target man for next season especially for Hume or Campbell, because with Cort most likely to be injured all the time and Fryatt most probably leaving. De Vries will do alright next season, i cant see him scoring alot of goals but he will make alot.
lookwhaticando Posted 23 July 2007 Posted 23 July 2007 The MercuryDe Vries has been included in the squad to go Scotland, but there is no place for levi porter! Hopefully it's a little shop window treatment for Mark.
Bluefoxtim Posted 23 July 2007 Posted 23 July 2007 I think De Vries will be a great target man for next season especially for Hume or Campbell, because with Cort most likely to be injured all the time and Fryatt most probably leaving. De Vries will do alright next season, i cant see him scoring alot of goals but he will make alot. To be a target man, you must possess the skills of being able to head the ball and/or control the ball and hold it up. De Vries is pretty useless at both of these.
David Villa Posted 23 July 2007 Posted 23 July 2007 To be a target man, you must possess the skills of being able to head the ball and/or control the ball and hold it up. De Vries is pretty useless at both of these. Yes he has, De Vries is good header of the ball and for a big man he has got a brilliant touch.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 23 July 2007 Posted 23 July 2007 Yes he has, De Vries is good header of the ball and for a big man he has got a brilliant touch. Prepare the flaming machine.
Manwell Pablo Posted 23 July 2007 Posted 23 July 2007 Yes he has, De Vries is good header of the ball and for a big man he has got a brilliant touch. Surely comments like that deem a weeks ban at least.
filbertway Posted 23 July 2007 Posted 23 July 2007 I think De Vries will be a great target man for next season especially for Hume or Campbell, because with Cort most likely to be injured all the time and Fryatt most probably leaving. De Vries will do alright next season, i cant see him scoring alot of goals but he will make alot. In the same way hume, fryatt or campbell would? Actually I take that back, Hume wins headers.
Ric Flair Posted 23 July 2007 Posted 23 July 2007 Yes he has, De Vries is good header of the ball and for a big man he has got a brilliant touch. de Vries is fairly poor in the air IMO. He is one of a select few who actually loses height when he jumps. I liken him to a Hedgehog when he's challenges in the air, he curls up. Perhaps he's cold? However, I think with the ball at his feet, he's much more dangerous and has a good first touch when he's at his best.
dandannieldanok Posted 23 July 2007 Posted 23 July 2007 Yes he has, De Vries is good header of the ball and for a big man he has got a brilliant touch. Good joke :laugh:
Thracian Posted 23 July 2007 Posted 23 July 2007 To be a target man, you must possess the skills of being able to head the ball and/or control the ball and hold it up. De Vries is pretty useless at both of these. MDV held the ball up well enough against Notts County - and Spurs. He's got reasonable close-range skills too for a big guy and is always in there where feet are flying, awkward looking or not. However I think he's used more as a continuity link and big screen rather than a target man and why not if it suits the players around him?.
Manwell Pablo Posted 23 July 2007 Posted 23 July 2007 He's strong with the ball, has good feet, is good with his back to goal and seems to have lost a lot of weight so maybe he will not be quicker then he was, in that respect he's alright as a target man. But he cannot head a ball for shit, and I wont hear otherwise. His finishing isn't always great, and even if he is a tad quicker he will still be extremly slow.
bigboy Posted 23 July 2007 Posted 23 July 2007 I would keep a fit De Vries and off load an unfit Carl Cort as soon as possible. Cort will cost this club alot in wages as well as time. Get rid now!! He will never be fit!
Rich Fox Posted 23 July 2007 Posted 23 July 2007 I would keep a fit De Vries and off load an unfit Carl Cort as soon as possible. Cort will cost this club alot in wages as well as time. Get rid now!! He will never be fit! De vries tries but is CRAP we should never have bought Cort he is finished Wolves were well shot of him did we not do research in to how injury prone he was for Wolves.Also Hellings will be a failure. We cant afford to many bad signings we aint kicked a ball yet. May be wrong about Hellings hope i am but i wont be.
Thracian Posted 24 July 2007 Posted 24 July 2007 To Ric from MDV thread: I've long been inclined to agree except whenever I see results involving comparable English/Scottish team, the Scots so often seem to win. In any case Hearts are regarded as one of Scotland's top clubs and have played stacks of times in Europe. Not that it matters much. My point was merely to emphasise that describing such Mark DeVries as Sunday League standard is insulting and he has the record to prove it. And, despite his ungainliness I am quite sure he can keep scoring and making goals here.
Ric Flair Posted 24 July 2007 Posted 24 July 2007 To Ric from MDV thread:I've long been inclined to agree except whenever I see results involving comparable English/Scottish team, the Scots so often seem to win. In any case Hearts are regarded as one of Scotland's top clubs and have played stacks of times in Europe. Not that it matters much. My point was merely to emphasise that describing such Mark DeVries as Sunday League standard is insulting and he has the record to prove it. And, despite his ungainliness I am quite sure he can keep scoring and making goals here. I agree pal. de Vries has come back here and really knuckled down, fair play to the chap. I didn't think he'd have the desire to after spending 18 months in the wildnerness back in Holland. Couple that with the abuse the fans gave him when he was here and it doesn't make a happy camper. But he's come back and lost a stone or two in weight and really looks like he wants to prove people wrong. If Allen thinks he's good enough to be given a chance then i'm all for it, he'll have a clean slate to prove his worth again. Even when he looked crap here, he's one of those players who will get 2 or 3 chances a game. His shooting ability is erratic, but if you get 3 chances a game then you'll chip in with goals here and there. As showed with 9 goals in about 20 starts in 2005/06. He's a valuable player to have in the squad if Cort's going to continue to pick up injuries all the while. I hope the fans allow him the chance to have one last shot at making it here. He has his limitations but if he can offer us something our other striker can't then, in yer get Mark.
The People's Hero Posted 24 July 2007 Posted 24 July 2007 He's strong with the ball, has good feet, is good with his back to goal and seems to have lost a lot of weight so maybe he will not be quicker then he was, in that respect he's alright as a target man.But he cannot head a ball for shit, and I wont hear otherwise. His finishing isn't always great, and even if he is a tad quicker he will still be extremly slow. He's actually scared to head the ball, he bottles it everytime. He's a target man, no more, no less. He's not going to flick it on and he's not going to turn and beat 3 men before chipping the on-rushing keeper. He'll control it (well, sometimes he will) and then he'll hold it up until someone (hopefully not Elvis) gives him an option.
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