Player Ratings.

[Ultra]

That's a very good point, BUT after 2 weeks of training with the lads and a full ninety minutes it'll be even more true.

To be fair to him he didn't look anything like match fit, but because of Campbell's injury played a lot more than was probably planned.

Given the serious-looking knock he suffered near the end, I'd be surprised if we saw him on Saturday.

It may not be until late November before we see him at his best.

[Nod.E]

I've no time for the "rushed in" excuses. If he's not fit don't play him. Simple as that. we could have played Cort or Ashley Chambers. John barely had a kick of any significance. In fact I find it genuinely hard to think of us having a shot of any significance.

That is Megsons worry not Johns. That is an arguement against Megson.

Fact is he isn't match fit. Its Megsons fault for polaying him then, not Johns wrong doing. At the end of the day when he's fully fit he will be much better.

As for the Ashley Chambers point. I agree. Give the lad a chance.

[mmarkie]

Fulop 7 - Looked solid as usual, No chance with the goal

Stearman 5 - Gave the ball away to easily

Kisnorbo 6 - Decent

N'Gotty 6 - Decent

McAuley 6 - Decent

Clem n/a

Weso 7- Had a good game passing was poor at times though

Chambers 5 - Gave the ball away to easily

Sheehan 4 - Not good enough IMO, He's only in the team because of his set pieces

Campbell 5 - Would like to have seen him to be given a bit more than half an hour

Fryatt 7 - Caused them problems in the 1st half, ran around a lot more than usual, Finishing not up to scratch tonight

John 6 - Didn't really do anything, Let off because he's not even trained with the players before

Porter 5 - No one seemed like they wanted to give him the ball

Newton 1 - Should never put the shirt on again after tonights performance

he was injured

[mmarkie]

Fulop-6-didnt have much to do but caught the catches well

N'gotty-5-i thought he was alrite

Macauley-5-same as n'gotty

Kisnorbo-4-nearly gave awaya goalbut played ok

Stearman-3-kept on passing it down the line to fryatt but he was never gonna get it

Sheehan-2-was too slow and unaware

Wesolewski-7-Never stopped working.MOM

Clemence-N/A

Chambers-4-gave it away to much

Fryatt-4-very slow and should have took his chances

Campbell-6-looked quite good until he got injured

Subs:

Newton-4-cant control and never ran at players

John-6-looked good

Porter-4-he was free most of the time but we didnt use him

[filbertway]

That was essentially our team tonight. If you thought that didn't look half bad, I would suggest you are in a small minority.

What team would you play then?

[The Reverend]

I despair after reading that lot.

Do you people know what you want?

Sheehan was the one class player on the park tonight not counting the goalkeeper and only four players in tonight's side deserved to be rated as first team standard:- Fulop, Kisnorbo, Wesolowski and Sheehan.

First of all don't blame him for the goal. He blocked the first shot and the ball deflected to the right where Newton or whoever was responsible failed to pick up the secondary man. Sheehan had done his job.

In open play he misplaced a couple ofheaders but otherwise was accuracy itself and I have rarely seen a left back spend so mucb time in the attacking half linking with Weso in midfield, playing low passes to feet and high crosses to various parts of the penalty box.

Truth was we never had anyone who was ever going to take advantage, no height in the box, not pace, no guile, no nothing. Whatever he did was never going to work.

Ratings:

Fulop 7 (Could easily have been lobbed for a second goal. Good but no t quite at his best).

Stearman 2 (Worst I have ever seen him play in a City shirt. Simply couldn't pass or retain control of the ball)

Sheehan 7 (Rarely wasted a pass, got into attacking areas and tried everything he knew to force a breakthrough.)

McAuley 5 (Second worst performance of his. Tried to play beyond his capabilities instead of keeping it fast and simple)

N'Gotty 6 (Seriously missed when he went off.)

Kisnorbo 6.5 (Started well. Found Sheehan ever available and therefore didn't waste possession so much. A bnit more sloppy later on).

Chambers 6 (Defensively sound with some good blocks. Nothing creative though)

Clemence 4 (Anonymous and rarely near the penalty area until he went off injured.)

Wesolowski 6.5 (Linked well with Sheehan and, although obviouusly short of match fitness still looked fairly positive and efficient)

Campbell 3 (Injured and insignificant)

Fryatt 4 (Too slow, ball control indifferent. Just never going to be a 15 goals a season Championship striker)

Subs: Porter 5.5 (No noticeable effect but instilled a bit or urgency)

John 3 (On tonight's performance I can understand why he was named after a Kazzi)

Newton 3 (What's he for? Can never deliver a final pass and has lost any ability he had to take people on and make things happen)

Megson: 3 (Picked pretty well the strongest side apart from Chambers but failed to galvanise them into an attacking force. The movement up front was diabolical and seven players seriously underperformed. No wonder they chanted Megson for Bolton)

Entertainment 2 (No goals at home again, and no points. Not even any serious shots. People leaving 15/18 minutes from the end)

Just laughable.

He had loads of ball, but dare'nt run at his man, every time he was closed down he cut inside and gave it away or played it simple to one of our players, of which usually it ended back with Fulop after being in the final third.

He was as bad as the rest.

[Fez of Mahrez]

I see the Evil Axis are at it again.

Collins John actually won quite a few headers last night and displayed one or two nice touches. He was off the pace, granted, but that was to be expected. Also fashioned a good chance for himself which he wasted and got into a couple of good positions for headers off target but the goals will come.

[Manwell Pablo]

I see the Evil Axis are at it again.

Collins John actually won quite a few headers last night and displayed one or two nice touches. He was off the pace, granted, but that was to be expected. Also fashioned a good chance for himself which he wasted and got into a couple of good positions for headers off target but the goals will come.

That all he and Fryatt were left to do last night, fashion chances for themselves.

[Manwell Pablo]

Just laughable.

He had loads of ball, but dare'nt run at his man, every time he was closed down he cut inside and gave it away or played it simple to one of our players, of which usually it ended back with Fulop after being in the final third.

He was as bad as the rest.

I actually thought golden bollocks wasn't too bad last night. At fault for the goal as always as yet again he gave away too much space on our left hand side but if your going to play Alan Sheehan you need to expect that.

In possesion I actually thought he looked quite good and lacked options for a pass, crossing from open play was woeful though. Still one of the players who needs shipping out IMO but certainly not first in the que. That pleasure goes to our coke sniffing friend Sean, quite clearly past it, Newton.

[Sooper Steve's shin]

What team would you play then?

I'm not saying you're wrong - if you look at our squad then our strongest team has to contain Fulop, McAuley, Kisnorbo, Wesolowski, Clemence, Hume. The rest of the positions you are just shuffling much of a muchness - Mattock or Sheehan? Chambers or Stearman? Fryatt or Campbell? Porter or Hayes (if we're playing a left winger)? Cort or De Vries (as a target man)?

So to say our best team "isn't half bad" when we virtually had it out last night is optimistic to say the least on the evidence of the season so far. All of the above have played together on several occasions this season. It's nearly November, we've managed two wins and we are close to the relegation zone. The simple fact is that our best team is actually pretty poor, which is why we are struggling and look likely to do so for the season.

[Raj]

In my opinion i though Weso and Sheehan played really well.

CJohn looked half decent,

Newton was poor

Fryatt ok.

the rest were so so

[davieG]

I actually thought golden bollocks wasn't too bad last night. At fault for the goal as always as yet again he gave away too much space on our left hand side but if your going to play Alan Sheehan you need to expect that.

In possesion I actually thought he looked quite good and lacked options for a pass, crossing from open play was woeful though. Still one of the players who needs shipping out IMO but certainly not first in the que. That pleasure goes to our coke sniffing friend Sean, quite clearly past it, Newton.

I'm not defending Sheehan but it all stemmed from a shocking pass by N'Gotty after we'd had possession for 7/8 passes.

[Brainy]

Fulop - F

Stearman - U

Sheehan - C

N'Gotty - K

Kisnorbo - I

McAuley - N

clemence - G

wesolowski - S

chambers - H

campbell - I

fryatt - T

Megson - just go.

[Trumpet]

Could someone who was at the Charlton game give me a comparison please? I want to know how poor we really were.

On the same level.

[lee7]

Fulop - 7

Stearman -5

Sheehan -4

N'Gotty -5

Kisnorbo -5

McAuley -6

clemence - N/A

wesolowski -7

chambers -5

campbell -6

fryatt -7

[Thracian]

I actually thought golden bollocks wasn't too bad last night. At fault for the goal as always as yet again he gave away too much space on our left hand side but if your going to play Alan Sheehan you need to expect that.

In possesion I actually thought he looked quite good and lacked options for a pass, crossing from open play was woeful though. Still one of the players who needs shipping out IMO but certainly not first in the que. That pleasure goes to our coke sniffing friend Sean, quite clearly past it, Newton.

I thought Sheehan covered fine and, even defensively, made fewer mistakes than all but Kisnorbo. Sheffield didn't get around the back virtually all night - and if Kisnorbo had blocked the shot Sheehan did he would have been praised.

Predictably Newton wasn't there to pick up Sheffield's spare man when the ball rebounded and no-one reacted at the near post when the goalmaking delivery came over - except Webber who was in yards of space.

Three centre-backs and none of em moved, including N'Gotty who'd given the ball away in the first place.

I am sure there are statistics but Sheehan was highly involved last night, front and back, and his passes made and success rate would have been good. Unfortunately his chance of playing killer passes was limited because, as you suggest, the targets were never there.

If Stearman had made the same impact from the other side maybe Sheffield would have had more to think about but that was as bad as I've seen him play and that includes last season when he was also pretty awful at times. Indeed, if we're not going to use him at centre-back I'd get rid because his passing is simply not good enough for the role he's trying to play.

[The People's Hero]

Why is it always just Sheffield with you?

There are 2 teams, United and Wednesday.

Additionally, your post is so predictable that I haven't even read beyond the first couple of lines and I just know its a barrel load of excuses about how Sheehan isn't cr ap, he's just made to look it by those around him.

[Wezleylowski]

I'm not saying you're wrong - if you look at our squad then our strongest team has to contain Fulop, McAuley, Kisnorbo, Wesolowski, Clemence, Hume. The rest of the positions you are just shuffling much of a muchness - Mattock or Sheehan? Chambers or Stearman? Fryatt or Campbell? Porter or Hayes (if we're playing a left winger)? Cort or De Vries (as a target man)?

So to say our best team "isn't half bad" when we virtually had it out last night is optimistic to say the least on the evidence of the season so far. All of the above have played together on several occasions this season. It's nearly November, we've managed two wins and we are close to the relegation zone. The simple fact is that our best team is actually pretty poor, which is why we are struggling and look likely to do so for the season.

We had two idiots last night in CM, Newton and Chambers. CM is a position where you need to have decent players or your going to get dominated. Sadly last night we had two players who do not have the ability to play centre mid so we got overpowered in the middle. And i think thats where our problem stems from, we simply aren't competitive enough in the middle at the minute and that leads to the defence getting barraged for ninety minues every week.

We do however have a lot of injurys and so you wouldnt expect us to be all that in the middle, but lets face it we have been a joke there with the exception of Weso and Clemence. So when everyone is fully fit i think there will be a big improvement.

We have in Hume- A scrapper, and a long range shooter + a decent passer. Not forgetting his pace.

In Clemence- A ball winner( He is fairly tall and strong, he will win balls in the air) and he is a quality passer. And he is known to have a crack at goal from long range too. He can also tackle.

Wesowlowski- Strong in the challenge, quick and as we witnessed last night he has the ability to take people on. His passing is top notch aswell + hes got a decent shot on him too.

Lack of quality in our side is not the issue, lack of a motivational manager is. As we proved when we stuffed top of the league Watford.

Anyway none of this really matters because Kaebi will be fit soon

[Thracian]

Why is it always just Sheffield with you?

There are 2 teams, United and Wednesday.

Additionally, your post is so predictable that I haven't even read beyond the first couple of lines and I just know its a barrel load of excuses about how Sheehan isn't cr ap, he's just made to look it by those around him.

a) I don't think anyone on here would be in any doubt which Sheffield we played last night.

b) You don't have to read em.

c) If Sheehan is crap I don't know what that makes your friend Fryatt. He's soon got over the novelty of making the first team again!

[Manwell Pablo]

a) I don't think anyone on here would be in any doubt which Sheffield we played last night.

b) You don't have to read em.

c) If Sheehan is crap I don't know what that makes your friend Fryatt. He's soon got over the novelty of making the first team again!

He's got nothing to work with, he carved out one of our best chances for himself. He was pretty cack last night but until we do something about the rest of the team we can buy all the strikers we want we aren't going to get anywhere.

[Father Ted]

Fulop - 6 - Did nothing wrong really

Stearman - 5 - Got into space, looks solid but just his decision making and laziness can let him down

Sheehan - 7 - MAN OF THE MATCH, he looked solid was up and down the flanks at 3-5-2 and 4-4-2 and put some decent

in but nobody there to finish them.

Mcauley - 5 - Solid as usual, was average

N'gotty - 5 - Same as Mcauley

Kisnorbo - 4 - Won some good headers but distribution was poor

Clemence - N/A

Wesolowski - 6 - Did the little things well but for his quality he needs to be doing the bigger jobs. We

struglled yesterday in midfield and he didn't help the cause because at times there was

nobody there.

Newton - 4 - Another poor game but showed improvement when we went 4-4-2

Chambers - 5 - Put some excellent blocks in and was lively but is just NOT a central midfielder

Fryatt - 6 - Had some good turns but why is he so scared to shoot!!

Dj - 2 - I hate this guy. He gets on my nerves. He thinks he's Cristiano Ronaldo or something special

with his diving and cheating. Don't want him to play for this club again.

John - 5 - Had some good touches, showed great skill and strength but a bit rusty, but wait for saturday

Sub :

Porter - 2 - He has pace but never takes his man on the outside. He's lazy and just can't be bothered.

Referee - 3 - He was poor and made some poor decisions.

Megson - 4 - Too predictable and Sheff Utd worked us out. The master tactician was beaten.

[Father Ted]

a) I don't think anyone on here would be in any doubt which Sheffield we played last night.

b) You don't have to read em.

c) If Sheehan is crap I don't know what that makes your friend Fryatt. He's soon got over the novelty of making the first team again!

I agree with you Thrac, Sheehan is not crap.

[Webbo]

In my opinion i though Weso and Sheehan played really well.

CJohn looked half decent,

Newton was poor

Fryatt ok.

the rest were so so

That just about sums it up.