TrickyTrev Posted 16 March 2008 Posted 16 March 2008 My eldest son and I were discussing player/mangerial contracts the other day and both concluded that the set-up now means being fired or being declared surplus to requirements might well be an attrctive option occasionally.As a businessman my lad was arguing that he should have a right to dismiss someone for failing to play to the standard their wage levels dictated and in so doing only pay a normal one-month/three months settlement rather than having to pay up or negotiate the degreee to which the contract was paid up. His case was that the player didn't deliver what was reasonably expected of him - rather like a pest controller failing to get rid of rodents or a mechanic failing to rectify the fault in a car. In other words if you signed a striker with, say, a two year average of 18 goals per 40 games and paid him the wages appropriate to that level of performance then he should be open to the termination of his contract if he failed to perform at that standard over a reasonable time. The same principle should apply to managers but in today's mad world you could say that a manager with reasonable credence and success behind him when he signs, say, a three year contract, might well love to have his contract or proportion thereoff paid up as a one-off. He would have a nice, tidy chunk of guaranteed money, however quickly it was paid and would still; have sufficient credibility to get a new contract with another club from his previous performance. That MM has actually had to pay off so many underperformers must grate with him big time. In fact he must constantly feel like the victim of divorce settlements. How barmy that a manager or player should be able to benefit from doing badly. It's exactly the same in industry or politics. Well players and managers are hired to play/manage to the best of their ability. If the employer feels they hired the wrong person they have a duty to pay up the contract they have signed. If Mandaric hired the correct managers or didn't try to sign players himself then he wouldn't have had to shell out so much money in compensation. It also has to be said that it is a damn site easier to sack a manager than any other type of worker I can think of. Most jobs it is impossible to be sacked for under performance, you actually have to do something wrong, break the rules/law/your contract. I don't think any of us would like a world where we has the same job security as Ian Holloway.
davieG Posted 16 March 2008 Author Posted 16 March 2008 Well players and managers are hired to play/manage to the best of their ability. If the employer feels they hired the wrong person they have a duty to pay up the contract they have signed. If Mandaric hired the correct managers or didn't try to sign players himself then he wouldn't have had to shell out so much money in compensation.It also has to be said that it is a damn site easier to sack a manager than any other type of worker I can think of. Most jobs it is impossible to be sacked for under performance, you actually have to do something wrong, break the rules/law/your contract. I don't think any of us would like a world where we has the same job security as Ian Holloway. Other types of workers generally don't have 3 year or 1 year rolling contracts that get paid up. If they can prove incompetence or under-performance you generally get nothing. Even if you're made redundant only gives you weeks wage for every year plus the possibility of up to 3 months notice, depending on the terms of employment if you're lucky. Most footy managers are on such a good wage that even if they could they've no need to take legal action.
Kilworthfox Posted 20 March 2008 Posted 20 March 2008 My eldest son and I were discussing player/mangerial contracts the other day and both concluded that the set-up now means being fired or being declared surplus to requirements might well be an attrctive option occasionally.As a businessman my lad was arguing that he should have a right to dismiss someone for failing to play to the standard their wage levels dictated and in so doing only pay a normal one-month/three months settlement rather than having to pay up or negotiate the degreee to which the contract was paid up. His case was that the player didn't deliver what was reasonably expected of him - rather like a pest controller failing to get rid of rodents or a mechanic failing to rectify the fault in a car. In other words if you signed a striker with, say, a two year average of 18 goals per 40 games and paid him the wages appropriate to that level of performance then he should be open to the termination of his contract if he failed to perform at that standard over a reasonable time. The same principle should apply to managers but in today's mad world you could say that a manager with reasonable credence and success behind him when he signs, say, a three year contract, might well love to have his contract or proportion thereoff paid up as a one-off. He would have a nice, tidy chunk of guaranteed money, however quickly it was paid and would still; have sufficient credibility to get a new contract with another club from his previous performance. That MM has actually had to pay off so many underperformers must grate with him big time. In fact he must constantly feel like the victim of divorce settlements. How barmy that a manager or player should be able to benefit from doing badly. It's exactly the same in industry or politics. You cannot judge Football by the standards in which society sets, as it is a generally accepted that football is differant. Look at players contracts, you cannot change to a new employer mid contact like us joe's can. It works both ways, however I would like to be on thousands per week for entertaining people.
davieG Posted 20 March 2008 Author Posted 20 March 2008 You cannot judge Football by the standards in which society sets, as it is a generally accepted that football is differant. Look at players contracts, you cannot change to a new employer mid contact like us joe's can.It works both ways, however I would like to be on thousands per week for entertaining people. I'm still waiting to be entertained!
Thracian Posted 21 March 2008 Posted 21 March 2008 New ones up. I really wish he'd concentrate on the job of winning football matches especially if that's the best he can come up with.
lildave3 Posted 21 March 2008 Posted 21 March 2008 I really wish he'd concentrate on the job of winning football matches especially if that's the best he can come up with. Why? What harm is it seriously doing?
ibbosuk Posted 24 March 2008 Posted 24 March 2008 I firmly beleive one of two things must (and will ) happen this week. 1. Holloway is sacked. or 2. MM states Holloway is staying as manager for the remaing games of the season. I think its very significant that MM has never back him to the end of the season, only the "Full support" message which actually means nothing as its only in the moment. After MM meeting with the players and Holloway last week, he must realise that that Holloway has no motivational skills other than the false ones he portrays in the media. I think The time is now right to sack him.
ibbosuk Posted 25 March 2008 Posted 25 March 2008 I firmly beleive one of two things must (and will ) happen this week.1. Holloway is sacked. or 2. MM states Holloway is staying as manager for the remaing games of the season. I think its very significant that MM has never back him to the end of the season, only the "Full support" message which actually means nothing as its only in the moment. After MM meeting with the players and Holloway last week, he must realise that that Holloway has no motivational skills other than the false ones he portrays in the media. I think The time is now right to sack him. OMFG!!! FUK ME!!! ....or 3rd he will sign more bullshit loan players....WTF is he doing!!!
Stevosevic Posted 28 March 2008 Posted 28 March 2008 has it been put on yet?!?!?! Can't you just go on the BBC website and look yourself?
ousefox Posted 28 March 2008 Posted 28 March 2008 Can't you just go on the BBC website and look yourself? well its usually on by now and it isnt up yet on mine so i was wonderin if it was up on anybody elses
STUHILL Posted 29 March 2008 Posted 29 March 2008 HAHA Don't know how people can't like this guy! Just on SSN saying he would ram two fingers up bookies nose, sideways!! I'm so bored of managers that have no personality or fight! This guy maybe OTT but so what, I fooking love it!
Webbo Posted 3 April 2008 Posted 3 April 2008 Radio Leicester. Leicester City manager Ian Holloway has said that he is relishing the closing stages of the Championship season.The Foxes, who are just a point above the relegation zone, are at Sheffield United this weekend. With just five games to go he told BBC Radio Leicester: "It's the last sprint over the line and we've got to get ready to run." "The lads have been in great spirits, it's no time for the faint hearted and we're ready to bring on the challenge." City will be without Lee Hendrie, who has a clause in his loan contract which prevents him playing against his parent club. I've got nothing to be scared of at Bramall Lane Ian Holloway Speaking about Saturday's opponents, Holloway said: "Billy Sharpe has started scoring for them, he's got three in three games hasn't he?" "All we need is one or two of our chances to go in and I think we'll win things quite comfortably. "It's a very difficult place to go but it's one where I've had good fortunes in the past, so I've got nothing to be scared of at Bramall Lane."
Thracian Posted 4 April 2008 Posted 4 April 2008 "All we need is one or two of our chances to go in and I think we'll win things quite comfortably." - Holloway. Psychologically that's a real kiss of death comment and I do wish our manager would engage his brain before talking to the press. Cos if ever a remark was guaranteed to increase pressure and make the opposition more determined that is it. What possible benefit can it have? It basically says "We're lots better than you even on your patch," and if I were their manager I'd cut it out, blow it up, paste it on the notice board and gear my team talk around ramming those words right back down Holloway's throat. Why say anything that can be used to inspire the opposition. It makes no sense.
Ric Flair Posted 4 April 2008 Posted 4 April 2008 "All we need is one or two of our chances to go in and I think we'll win things quite comfortably." - Holloway.Psychologically that's a real kiss of death comment and I do wish our manager would engage his brain before talking to the press. Cos if ever a remark was guaranteed to increase pressure and make the opposition more determined that is it. What possible benefit can it have? It basically says "We're lots better than you even on your patch," and if I were their manager I'd cut it out, blow it up, paste it on the notice board and gear my team talk around ramming those words right back down Holloway's throat. Why say anything that can be used to inspire the opposition. It makes no sense. I'm sure you'd have been delighted had he said, ' It's a tough place to go, really tough. We'll obviously be going their trying to win, but it's going to be difficult. So let's not get carried away ' You'd be going wild if he said that. Getting managers to not say anything is almost impossible as they have obligations to adhere to and showing some positivity when they do speak to the media is far better than showing signs of weakness. I don't see anything in that interview that is particularly bad, stating the intentions of going there and winning and putting a bit of pressure on the home team is par for the course. Start another Shee-han thread if you're that desperate to have something to moan at.
ousefox Posted 4 April 2008 Posted 4 April 2008 This weeks..... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7329117.stm
Babylon Posted 4 April 2008 Posted 4 April 2008 "All we need is one or two of our chances to go in and I think we'll win things quite comfortably." - Holloway.Psychologically that's a real kiss of death comment and I do wish our manager would engage his brain before talking to the press. Cos if ever a remark was guaranteed to increase pressure and make the opposition more determined that is it. What possible benefit can it have? It basically says "We're lots better than you even on your patch," and if I were their manager I'd cut it out, blow it up, paste it on the notice board and gear my team talk around ramming those words right back down Holloway's throat. Why say anything that can be used to inspire the opposition. It makes no sense. Nothing like a thracian complete over reaction to start the weekend. Possibly the biggest one since shush got a whopping 6 and 7 in his last two Leeds games.
Babylon Posted 4 April 2008 Posted 4 April 2008 On Ronaldo... "The kid makes you sick. He looks the part, he walks the part, he is the part. He's six-foot something, fit as a flea, good-looking - he's got to have something wrong with him. Hopefully he's hung like a hamster! That would make us all feel better! " And people moan about his media work... i'd rather have him than "smashing bunch" Kelly.
The People's Hero Posted 4 April 2008 Posted 4 April 2008 He needs to talk more about Mr Kipling cakes, smashing bunches of lads and redoubling efforts, in my opinion.
Flynny Posted 4 April 2008 Posted 4 April 2008 "All we need is one or two of our chances to go in and I think we'll win things quite comfortably." - Holloway.What possible benefit can it have? Players relaxed and more confident than if he'd said "actually we're shit all over the pitch, there's no excuse." What would you rather he say? "Well I'm quite confident in the team we've got here, but we've got a couple of smashing loanees who I'm gonna recall instantly."
Manwell Pablo Posted 4 April 2008 Posted 4 April 2008 He needs to talk more about Mr Kipling cakes, smashing bunches of lads and redoubling efforts, in my opinion. I thought the kipling thing was funny
Thracian Posted 4 April 2008 Posted 4 April 2008 I'm sure you'd have been delighted had he said, ' It's a tough place to go, really tough. We'll obviously be going their trying to win, but it's going to be difficult. So let's not get carried away 'You'd be going wild if he said that. Getting managers to not say anything is almost impossible as they have obligations to adhere to and showing some positivity when they do speak to the media is far better than showing signs of weakness. I don't see anything in that interview that is particularly bad, stating the intentions of going there and winning and putting a bit of pressure on the home team is par for the course. Start another Shee-han thread if you're that desperate to have something to moan at. It was empty rhetoric, a bit dismissive of our opponents, and quite likely to be counter productive too. In the words of the advert, Just Do It.
The People's Hero Posted 4 April 2008 Posted 4 April 2008 It was empty rhetoric, a bit dismissive of our opponents, and quite likely to be counter productive too. In the words of the advert, Just Do It.
Thracian Posted 4 April 2008 Posted 4 April 2008 Is that really your laugh I'm hearing. Fancy finding the ultimate irony on FoxesTalk.
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