Fez of Mahrez Posted 26 December 2007 Posted 26 December 2007 This is why he should learn to pass it more, he starts off with one man on him and by the time he loses it he's got 3 or 4 chasing him. He could turn that to his advantage more often if he released the ball instead of losing it or having some tame shot into the legs of the defenders.Excellent ball work but what came of it? Very little in my view. Ha at least I know I'm respected enough on here not to get hounded out. I can recognise what he did achieve today, but as a striker, he had, what, 2 shots on goal today? Neither were great. Yes OK, we scored 2 as a team, but neither him nor John nor Hume got even close to scoring today apart from that glaring miss from CJ. I think we're probably working off different bases here. This is not a team capable of beautiful one-touch football or even effective long-ball football. We don't have flying wingers, our full-backs aren't known for their overlapping and telling crosses, there's no creativity in the midfield and we have no 20-goal strikers. Quite often all of these factors combined mean that we end up with no attacking threat whatsoever - other than the odd set piece. I've sat through enough games this season where we've struggled to make any sort of impact on teams to see the positives from performances like today. Although the goals came from set pieces, I thought we looked dangerous when Fryatt was running at their defenders and he certainly worried them. The goals will come if he plays like that for a prolonged period of time. All things being relative, I'd rather he played like that than he did for the vast majority of last season. He's got a lot of faults and I don't think he'll ever be a consistent goalscorer at this level and I think he needs to work on his vision and passing but there was a buzz of anticipation when he got the ball today, the way he was dribbling round two or three defenders every time he was in possession, and that's enough for me to say he had an excellent game, the dross that we have to put up with most weeks.
Monk Posted 26 December 2007 Posted 26 December 2007 I think we're probably working off different bases here. This is not a team capable of beautiful one-touch football or even effective long-ball football. We don't have flying wingers, our full-backs aren't known for their overlapping and telling crosses, there's no creativity in the midfield and we have no 20-goal strikers. Quite often all of these factors combined mean that we end up with no attacking threat whatsoever - other than the odd set piece. I've sat through enough games this season where we've struggled to make any sort of impact on teams to see the positives from performances like today. Although the goals came from set pieces, I thought we looked dangerous when Fryatt was running at their defenders and he certainly worried them. The goals will come if he plays like that for a prolonged period of time. All things being relative, I'd rather he played like that than he did for the vast majority of last season. He's got a lot of faults and I don't think he'll ever be a consistent goalscorer at this level and I think he needs to work on his vision and passing but there was a buzz of anticipation when he got the ball today, the way he was dribbling round two or three defenders every time he was in possession, and that's enough for me to say he had an excellent game, the dross that we have to put up with most weeks. I'll agree with that. We were dangerous when he had the ball, and today's performance was far far better than some he's put in during 2007. Right I'm off to watch MOTD to watch a team that scored more at Stamford bridge than we did. I seem to remember saying 'Well, I'd be surprised if another team puts 3 past them this season'. Bollocks to that!
Bert Posted 26 December 2007 Posted 26 December 2007 I think you're way off on this one to be honest Monk, mate. Excellent performance today from Fryatt IMO. Consistency please. Just a shame he had no real chances in the box.
He's not bald Posted 26 December 2007 Author Posted 26 December 2007 Perhaps he realises now that he has to perform otherwise ollie wont play him when he gets another striker? Everyone is playing for places...it's obvious to me (but not to many!) that John is a lazy t**t and needs to go back fom where he came...we can and will do better!
WetFlannel Posted 26 December 2007 Posted 26 December 2007 Everyone is playing for places...it's obvious to me (but not to many!) that John is a lazy t**t and needs to go back fom where he came...we can and will do better! lazy? Van Nistlerooy is a prime example of how you can appear lazy yet be an amazing player... most strikers appear lazy, and his performances have been good as hes creating chances, apart from 'I am ridiculously over-rated' Fryatt
PAULCFC Posted 27 December 2007 Posted 27 December 2007 Fair play to the lad.He was on the left of midfield,then the right..............but he's supposed to be a striker ffs!Hope ollie sorts a decent formation out in the transfer window.
The Reverend Posted 27 December 2007 Posted 27 December 2007 Fair play to the lad.He was on the left of midfield,then the right..............but he's supposed to be a striker ffs!Hope ollie sorts a decent formation out in the transfer window. Yes, he should be able to pick up a 4-4-2 for about 250k i'd of thought. Should bite their hands off at that price.
PAULCFC Posted 27 December 2007 Posted 27 December 2007 Yes, he should be able to pick up a 4-4-2 for about 250k i'd of thought. Should bite their hands off at that price. "A couple of wide players and a striker,it,simple".....ollies words!
The Reverend Posted 27 December 2007 Posted 27 December 2007 "A couple of wide players and a striker,it,simple".....ollies words! It was a joke mate, you said you hope Ollie gets a new formation in the transfer window, so i jokingly suggested buying one Play the game my son
He's not bald Posted 27 December 2007 Author Posted 27 December 2007 lazy? Van Nistlerooy is a prime example of how you can appear lazy yet be an amazing player... most strikers appear lazy, and his performances have been good as hes creating chances, apart from 'I am ridiculously over-rated' Fryatt He can't finish,why do you think that a struggling prem club released him to play for us? and to even mention him in the same sentence as Van the man is ridiculous
Simi Posted 27 December 2007 Posted 27 December 2007 I've got mixed opinions of Matty Fryatt. Away from home, so often he becomes absent from games, which is exactly what you don't want away from home. Today however, he did play well but still simple things he struggled with. For me, he always takes one touch to many and often looses the ball. I'm not confident when he has his back to goal either as he's not the type to turn and have a long range shot. Today, he got in the positions but was agonizingly offside at least twice when he was looking right down the line and there really is no excuse for that. Fair play to him though, some of his dribbling was class and got us into some good positions, shame he couldn't finish it off with a goal as that's what strikers need at the end of the day.
The People's Hero Posted 27 December 2007 Posted 27 December 2007 Amazing what being in the shop window can do.
Asha Posted 27 December 2007 Posted 27 December 2007 Fryatt was good today, a lot better than CJ. I still think Fryatt and Hume are better as a front two, i don't think CJ does enough tbh.
Simi Posted 27 December 2007 Posted 27 December 2007 Fryatt was good today, a lot better than CJ. I still think Fryatt and Hume are better as a front two, i don't think CJ does enough tbh. I Disagree. Hume and Fryatt has worked in the past but has never been overly successful. With Collins John he offers us something different that Fryatt can't, holding onto the last defender. As Fez(?) said, he occupies both centre halves allowing Fryatt to get the space he got yesterday. They both complement each other well, they just both need to find the back of the net.
Daggers Posted 27 December 2007 Posted 27 December 2007 As a team, we created and buried chances yesterday - and Matty was an integral part of the team that did that. He was part of the forward line that created free kicks and corners and (although he did not finish) was one of the eleven that gave us two goals. His linking play and passing was the best I've seen from him, his mazy runs a joy and it was only the finger on the trigger that was missing. For a lad that can bury chances better than bring the rest of his game to the table, this is probably the reason that people are being effusive about his performance.
Fatbloke Posted 27 December 2007 Posted 27 December 2007 Remarkable thread !!!! what a bunch of dead heads some of you lot really are, Matty was nothing short of superb, beats players for fun, is damn near impossible to dis posess and full of running from start to finnish. The donkey from Craven Cottage is`nt fit to clean Fryatt`s boots, can`t hit a bovine posterior bith a banjo and clearly does`nt give a jot, the sooner Jan 23rd comes and he can be sent back the better !
reynard Posted 27 December 2007 Posted 27 December 2007 Perhaps so, especially if Campbell is further along the road to recovery than previously thought.I'm not convinced that Fryatt and Campbell could play in the same team. Sorry but Campbell is not half the footballer Fryatt is. The movement off the ball skills on it and quick feet that Fryatt showed yesterday are so far beyond what Campbell can do it staggers belief. Campbell is at best a semi-goal poacher within the six yard box but outside of that is imo useless. You are right though I believe in saying the two can't play together.
Thracian Posted 27 December 2007 Posted 27 December 2007 Remarkable thread !!!! what a bunch of dead heads some of you lot really are, Matty was nothing short of superb, beats players for fun, is damn near impossible to dis posess and full of running from start to finnish. The donkey from Craven Cottage is`nt fit to clean Fryatt`s boots, can`t hit a bovine posterior bith a banjo and clearly does`nt give a jot, the sooner Jan 23rd comes and he can be sent back the better ! So why doesn't Fryatt do that week on week instead of just as a Christmas present? Cos I can't think of another 90 minute effort like that.
Corky Posted 27 December 2007 Posted 27 December 2007 Fryatt is excellent with the ball at his feet, intelligent, quick, likes to attack, but the problem is Fryatt off the ball, offside too much, not sharp enough, but still a player I like. Hume is a curious commodity, works his socks off, gets stuck in, and tries his best. Goalscoring wise he hits some absolute belters, wonderful strikes, but doesn't seem to put away the easier chances, but I suppose that's better than not scoring at all. He just needs to convert the easier chances, the one-on-ones, and we would get 15 plus goals out of him a season.
Leicester Lass Posted 27 December 2007 Posted 27 December 2007 So why doesn't Fryatt do that week on week instead of just as a Christmas present? Cos I can't think of another 90 minute effort like that. Bristol City.
WetFlannel Posted 27 December 2007 Posted 27 December 2007 Fryatt is excellent with the ball at his feet, intelligent, quick, likes to attack, but the problem is Fryatt off the ball, offside too much, not sharp enough, but still a player I like.Hume is a curious commodity, works his socks off, gets stuck in, and tries his best. Goalscoring wise he hits some absolute belters, wonderful strikes, but doesn't seem to put away the easier chances, but I suppose that's better than not scoring at all. He just needs to convert the easier chances, the one-on-ones, and we would get 15 plus goals out of him a season. he basically did last season though
Sooper Steve's shin Posted 27 December 2007 Posted 27 December 2007 I thought Matty had a good game but the bloke next to me thought he was rubbish - funny ol' game! I would say, though, that Hume and Fryatt look like our only real partnership at present. They just seem to know where each other is when they play together and linked up really well in flashes against Ipswich. I loved that little passage of play around Fryatt's backheel near the East Stand! Collins John looks like another Elvis Hammond on the games I have seen him play - always on the verge of being threatening, but not a reliable enough finisher to be playing up front. You are never confident that he will put away a chance (as he showed when clean through twice against Wolves and once against Ipswich). Once the rest of the team (and the crowd) lose faith in a player's ability to finish, I think it really is an uphill struggle for a striker. I agree with whoever said that Fryatt is a good footballer, probably one of the best - he has a natural ability to control and run with the ball that the likes of John and Elvis lack. It's obvious that Matty needs a goal and a shame that he hasn't had more chances, because I would be a lot more confident that he could put them away than almost anyone else in the squad. The key question for me is why he doesn't get those chances - is he not getting in the right positions or not getting the right service? I reckon it's a bit of both. He clearly has the skill and intelligence, perhaps they need to get some specialist coaches in for the strikers and I think he'd be the best of all those we have now.
He's not bald Posted 27 December 2007 Author Posted 27 December 2007 Remarkable thread !!!! what a bunch of dead heads some of you lot really are, Matty was nothing short of superb, beats players for fun, is damn near impossible to dis posess and full of running from start to finnish. The donkey from Craven Cottage is`nt fit to clean Fryatt`s boots, can`t hit a bovine posterior bith a banjo and clearly does`nt give a jot, the sooner Jan 23rd comes and he can be sent back the better ! Agreed!
demon_dog Posted 27 December 2007 Posted 27 December 2007 He doesn't do that often enough for me and maybe Hume and Johns are not expecting him to pass because it's quite a rarity for him to do so. I can understand him being 'greedy' in the penalty area but 30 yards or so from goal he needs to pass it more. I think this is a problem in general with our link play, not enough of the players look around before playing the ball forward. Have seen not only Fryatt but also Hume run with the ball rather than lay it off to a better placed player.
teblin Posted 27 December 2007 Posted 27 December 2007 So why doesn't Fryatt do that week on week instead of just as a Christmas present? Cos I can't think of another 90 minute effort like that. Confidence?
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