Wasyls Pec Deck Posted 2 January 2008 Posted 2 January 2008 The more and more I think about it...Allens silly transfers and overall balance of the side really pisses me off. Clem, Weso and King (lets not forget promoted from the youth setup) are the only natural CMs, the situation is amazingly woeful. A factor to why we haven't seen the best of Clem.
breadandcheese Posted 2 January 2008 Posted 2 January 2008 lol Put Gerrard in our midfield and he'd look shit. Look at the players around him. A player is only as good as his team-mates. Couldn't agree more. I loved it yesterday watching Clemence in possession. At one point, he received the ball, looked up to play a pass, except that there was no-one in a good position, nor anyone making a run, so instead he turned and played a straight pass sideways and our attacking momentum brokedown.
Wasyls Pec Deck Posted 2 January 2008 Posted 2 January 2008 Couldn't agree more.I loved it yesterday watching Clemence in possession. At one point, he received the ball, looked up to play a pass, except that there was no-one in a good position, nor anyone making a run, so instead he turned and played a straight pass sideways and our attacking momentum brokedown. He's about the only player we have whose game is based around this.....
davieG Posted 2 January 2008 Posted 2 January 2008 Couldn't agree more.I loved it yesterday watching Clemence in possession. At one point, he received the ball, looked up to play a pass, except that there was no-one in a good position, nor anyone making a run, so instead he turned and played a straight pass sideways and our attacking momentum brokedown. But he can often be part of that problem when other players have the ball he's just as static and unavailable as the rest. It's endemic to LCFC!
DB11 Posted 2 January 2008 Posted 2 January 2008 **** off. He wasn't very good when he'd came back from injury. Have you seen is performances recently? He's been one of the guys who have shone out!
The Stig Posted 2 January 2008 Posted 2 January 2008 who else agrees with mehe is absolutley fukin useless.. and What a load of crap, he is not useless, he has quality. He has none of this around him and is getting no help in our midfield.im not one of those fans who bitches about everyone if City lose.. i just think he hasn't done anything good all season..... £1.5 million - wtf I dis-agree, the two goals he's scored have been great for a start, there have been other occasions aswel. And as for 1.5 Million, come off it. he keeps saying that the team have learnt a lesson and that we are looking to improve after every game.. well our players aren't a clever bunch because were 21st in the league my opinion , sell him off and buy a whole new set of midfielders You could buy a whole new set of midfeilders for what we'd get for Clemence, all of which would be no better than league two standard.
breadandcheese Posted 2 January 2008 Posted 2 January 2008 But he can often be part of that problem when other players have the ball he's just as static and unavailable as the rest.It's endemic to LCFC! It's obviously a question of getting the right mix of players. In my mind, he's not going to be a box-to-box midfielder, so it's for others to make the runs for him to pick them out. In our present state of play where he is the only midfielder in our team (Hume, N'Gotty and Chambers playing alongside him, with Fryatt later moving to right wing yesterday) he's not going to be much use as all his strengths are nullified. Admittedly, he is not the free moving midfielder that perhaps he needs to be at times but I still think he is one of the few members of the squad with genuine quality at this level. A Garry Parker mark 2 if you will.
Father Ted Posted 2 January 2008 Posted 2 January 2008 who else agrees with mehe is absolutley fukin useless.. and im not one of those fans who bitches about everyone if City lose.. i just think he hasn't done anything good all season..... £1.5 million - wtf he keeps saying that the team have learnt a lesson and that we are looking to improve after every game.. well our players aren't a clever bunch because were 21st in the league my opinion , sell him off and buy a whole new set of midfielders I have also wanted to say that. I totally agree but I would get a bollocking from many people on here.
davieG Posted 2 January 2008 Posted 2 January 2008 It's obviously a question of getting the right mix of players. In my mind, he's not going to be a box-to-box midfielder, so it's for others to make the runs for him to pick them out.In our present state of play where he is the only midfielder in our team (Hume, N'Gotty and Chambers playing alongside him, with Fryatt later moving to right wing yesterday) he's not going to be much use as all his strengths are nullified. Admittedly, he is not the free moving midfielder that perhaps he needs to be at times but I still think he is one of the few members of the squad with genuine quality at this level. A Garry Parker mark 2 if you will. I wasn't implying any agreement with the thread starter just making the point that it seems to be the norm for LCFC plays to be static and hide, I'd have blamed the management but we've had so many of them that I'm at a complete loss at understanding why this has gone on so long. Even teams at the bottom of Division 4 have more movement than we've shown in recent years.
Wezleylowski Posted 2 January 2008 Posted 2 January 2008 I have also wanted to say that. I totally agree but I would get a bollocking from many people on here.
Basingstoke Fox Posted 2 January 2008 Posted 2 January 2008 He's been playing in a central midfield this season consisting of:Weso. A natural defensive midfielder. Kenton. A right back or centre back. N'Gotty. A centre back. Chambers. A wing back. King. A natural midfielder but only played a handful of games. As for the rest of the midfield: Hume. A striker. Sheehan (at times). A left back. Newton. Newton. Hayes. Natural winger but can't hold down a place. How can he be expected to perform well around this lot? abso fookin lutely!! Can we close the thread now this says all we need to know!
The Stig Posted 2 January 2008 Posted 2 January 2008 He's been playing in a central midfield this season consisting of:Weso. A natural defensive midfielder. Kenton. A right back or centre back. N'Gotty. A centre back. Chambers. A wing back. King. A natural midfielder but only played a handful of games. As for the rest of the midfield: Hume. A striker. Sheehan (at times). A left back. Newton. Newton. Hayes. Natural winger but can't hold down a place. How can he be expected to perform well around this lot? Exactly.
breadandcheese Posted 2 January 2008 Posted 2 January 2008 I wasn't implying any agreement with the thread starter just making the point that it seems to be the norm for LCFC plays to be static and hide, I'd have blamed the management but we've had so many of them that I'm at a complete loss at understanding why this has gone on so long. Even teams at the bottom of Division 4 have more movement than we've shown in recent years. That I think beautifully sums up the last 4 years. Depressing isn't it, all intermingled with missed opportunities.
OriginalRobboFOX Posted 2 January 2008 Posted 2 January 2008 who else agrees with mehe is absolutley fukin useless.. and im not one of those fans who bitches about everyone if City lose.. i just think he hasn't done anything good all season..... £1.5 million - wtf he keeps saying that the team have learnt a lesson and that we are looking to improve after every game.. well our players aren't a clever bunch because were 21st in the league my opinion , sell him off and buy a whole new set of midfielders What a load of tosh. He has had to play under 4 different managers in no more than half a season. He has been partnered amongst others, Kenton, N'Gotty, Maybury, and Chambers. How can he be expected to shine when at times he is expected to carry the whole midfield and is quite often the only recognised midfielder. Think before you post you lemon.
stevec Posted 2 January 2008 Posted 2 January 2008 The more and more I think about it...Allens silly transfers and overall balance of the side really pisses me off. Clem, Weso and King (lets not forget promoted from the youth setup) are the only natural CMs, the situation is amazingly woeful. A factor to why we haven't seen the best of Clem. Oh yes - prize Peter Taylor style idiot! I cannot even start to think how someone who managed teams before Leicester messed up so badly - to the point of even his first game we had so many players out of position (Blackpool was a total shambles). It must have been plainly obvious over the summer where he really needed to sign players? What I still don't get is that when you look at teams like Bristol City - our players are better than the position we are in - what is their problem? Just that they always out of position? (ie the midfield situation) - or other stuff? Maybe managers are just blind - or see different things. Maybe I'm clueless as ive never had to manage a football team - which brings me to Left back - boy are we gettig murdered in that position every week.
reynard Posted 2 January 2008 Posted 2 January 2008 who else agrees with mehe is absolutley fukin useless.. and im not one of those fans who bitches about everyone if City lose.. i just think he hasn't done anything good all season..... £1.5 million - wtf he keeps saying that the team have learnt a lesson and that we are looking to improve after every game.. well our players aren't a clever bunch because were 21st in the league my opinion , sell him off and buy a whole new set of midfielders 1 Is he useless? No but he is no more than average which is why we have him and why both Spurs and Bham were both prepared to sell him as both recognised he would never be better than average. 2 was he worth the money (whatever it was 600K?) no at least not at the moment. 3 Could he be better with some decent fit midfielders around him? then yes he could be. 4 Sell him for what? even if we got 1m we need imo 4/5 new midfielders costing 5-7 m between them before we can compete properly at the top end of this division so selling him wouldn't benefit us and would be selling our most experienced and yes best midfielder. 5 Is he the on the field leader we need? The evidence to date suggests not. 6 Has he done anything good all season? Not as much as we might hope but he was good v Charlton and started the season quite well but has been very poor lately and if we had better replacements he may well have been dropped.
Corky Posted 2 January 2008 Posted 2 January 2008 I like Clemence but he hasn't been what we expected. The problem is he is an attacking midfielder, and we are a naturally defensive team (we pass the ball around but rarely threaten). Clemence is a passer, but has no natural wingers to pass to. I'm sure Steven Gerrard would struggle to produce in this team. At least he is passionate, his celebration on Saturday showed that, and the desire to get the header in. I knw he isn't a great captain or motivator, but we are a quiet team as Holloway says. We need someone who will tell it like it is to some of the players, and get them scared into playing well, like Walshie did.
danny. Posted 2 January 2008 Posted 2 January 2008 He's been playing in a central midfield this season consisting of:Weso. A natural defensive midfielder. Kenton. A right back or centre back. N'Gotty. A centre back. Chambers. A wing back. King. A natural midfielder but only played a handful of games. As for the rest of the midfield: Hume. A striker. Sheehan (at times). A left back. Newton. Newton. Hayes. Natural winger but can't hold down a place. How can he be expected to perform well around this lot? You just made me spit out a mouthful of wine laughing at that, comedy genius! (glad it's not red..)
mickydeeeuk Posted 2 January 2008 Posted 2 January 2008 i cant get my head round this type of thread!! what is the point? ..anyone can see clem is one of the better players we have at the moment, and as others have stated hes being asked to play around makeshift midfielders (as partners) to say the least! i am a season ticket holder so i can only speak really for home games as i only get to the odd away game but for gods sake .... oh i cant be bothered!!... except to say sometimes its better to keep your opinons to yourself? i know every one has an opinion but most people will agree with me here (i think!) yours is clearly wrong!.. maybe you were just looking for a reaction from people?? are you sure youre a leicester fan, because it appears to me that you are attempting to wind people up, as i might try to attempt to wind up someone that supports f*rrest or something!!... god ive gone on and i dindt want to!!! END OF!
Wezleylowski Posted 2 January 2008 Posted 2 January 2008 I like Clemence but he hasn't been what we expected. The problem is he is an attacking midfielder, and we are a naturally defensive team (we pass the ball around but rarely threaten). Clemence is a passer, but has no natural wingers to pass to. I'm sure Steven Gerrard would struggle to produce in this team. At least he is passionate, his celebration on Saturday showed that, and the desire to get the header in. I knw he isn't a great captain or motivator, but we are a quiet team as Holloway says. We need someone who will tell it like it is to some of the players, and get them scared into playing well, like Walshie did. Clemence is not an attacking mid imo. He doesn't possess the flair, goalscoring record ,or the ability to run at the defense at pace like an attacking mid.
Bert Posted 2 January 2008 Posted 2 January 2008 Clemence has the most assists for us this season. True story.
Wezleylowski Posted 2 January 2008 Posted 2 January 2008 Clemence has the most assists for us this season. True story. I bet most of them are from free kicks though aren't they ?
Simi Posted 2 January 2008 Posted 2 January 2008 He's being carried by two defenders in midfield, says it all for me.Also whitlock loves candyfloss ( the pink variety ) Do you know the first thing about having balance in midfield? The two defenders that are playing there are covering his ground. The position that he's played for years is been covered by people that are quite frankly average at playing there. Clemence is the type of player that wants to receive the ball from the back four and look to spread the play to either wingers or strikers. At the moment we have N Gotty doing that, fairly poorly as well. Which is becoming quite frustrating but he can only play where he is told. At the moment the options he has to pass to are extremely limited and he is constantly by passed by our central defenders who must love Howard been up there so they can carry on hoofing. # To say that he is useless quite frankly shows a great amount of stupidity. He's put in many very good performances this season and one of the only players that actually looks to get the ball down and play it along the floor. When we finally get players around him that will complement him, we will see him at his best.
Bert Posted 2 January 2008 Posted 2 January 2008 I bet most of them are from free kicks though aren't they ? Just telling you the facts mate
Wezleylowski Posted 2 January 2008 Posted 2 January 2008 Just telling you the facts mate I know Berty
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