Manwell Pablo Posted 7 April 2008 Posted 7 April 2008 The breach of rule occurred when the teamsheet was submitted, not when the loan players came onto the pitch. No shit sherlock, there wouldn't be a problem if that wasn't the case. Your saying the breach of rules is made worse by the fact that one of these players scored, if thats your way of thinking the fact that two of them didn't even even play easily counter balances that! It's not cheating it's an adminstrative oversight and had we not been battling for with Wednesday at the wrong end of the table I doubt you'd get many of us screaming for a points deduction.
Dr The Singh Posted 7 April 2008 Posted 7 April 2008 More excuses It was very close but it looked as if Kisnorbo clipped Sharp's heels and so it was a penalty He said the same about the Cov peno which was definitely a peno aswell. It was a bit obvious when Kisnorbo was putting his hands all over Billy Sharp. It looked like a penalty, sometimes there not given but it can it be deemed a sending off!!! The sending off, saved city some face, it's given the team an excuse for defeat and under the circumstances it may not be such a bad thing, we need to be at our best to beat Colchester!!
teblin Posted 7 April 2008 Posted 7 April 2008 I'm like you I think in two minds. I can see the advantages but I just suspect it will create as many problems as it solves, I really doubt all issues will be clear cut and arguments cease. Even with TV replays it's still difficult in many cases to determine 'was he pushed' or 'did he dive'.Ironically, in many cases it's actually technology that is exposing/creating the problem as I'm sure it's always been there but largely went unnoticed as fans and managers had, in most cases no more idea than the officials as to what really happened. Think its the biggest reason it hasn't been brought in. Aps here are too many grey areas.
Father Ted Posted 7 April 2008 Posted 7 April 2008 It looked like a penalty, sometimes there not given but it can it be deemed a sending off!!!The sending off, saved city some face, it's given the team an excuse for defeat and under the circumstances it may not be such a bad thing, we need to be at our best to beat Colchester!! Well if we don't stay up by a point or by GD (highly unlikely at the minute) then it will be costly, but now Kisnorbo will be suspended for 3 games And in my eyes I prefer the partnership of Bruno and Mcauley and so I'm not too fussed. I wonder what other people think??
Manwell Pablo Posted 7 April 2008 Posted 7 April 2008 All very well moaning about the ref but didn't he not give two very strong penalty claims? The linesmans the one to blame he gave it despite being further away than the ref. It's pretty hard for a referee to over rule a linesman who is claiming he's seen a definite infringement. If he gives the pen he needs to walk as he's the last man rules of the game. And who do we have to blame for not following up a saved pen, letting in a poor free kick that should of been saved, and completley failing to mark James Beattie from a set piece, that would be ourselves I'm afraid.
teblin Posted 7 April 2008 Posted 7 April 2008 All very well moaning about the ref but didn't he not give two very strong penalty claims? The linesmans the one to blame he gave it despite being further away than the ref. It's pretty hard for a referee to over rule a linesman who is claiming he's seen a definite infringement. If he gives the pen he needs to walk as he's the last man rules of the game. And who do we have to blame for not following up a saved pen, letting in a poor free kick that should of been saved, and completley failing to mark James Beattie from a set piece, that would be ourselves I'm afraid. Agreed, it was the lineman and bad defending for the other 2 goals. Though that one decision did change the game.
Jonezy Posted 7 April 2008 Posted 7 April 2008 We have had what 4 or 5 penalty decisions against in which they all were highly debatable. We must also hold the league record for disallowed goals, where at least half were highly debatable. So its obvious to put some of the blame for our poor league position on the refs. The decisions have not been balanced out for us this season, so the day when things have turned around and we get the dodgy decisions going our way, I do NOT want to hear we are lucky.... I just frickin hope, we are not getting this luck in League One... About Wedensday's use of loanees. If a fine doesn't stop a team from 'cheating', then a point deduction might be in place. But to change the rules mid season is not fair, so I believe the FA should own up and put some clear rules and consequenses out for everyone to see. I also believe a pen against and a red card is a double punishment, but thats a whole other discussion....
mancunianfox Posted 7 April 2008 Posted 7 April 2008 Anyone who thinks that was a penalty is out of their mind and the video footage proves it. Sharp didn't go down until he has clear and if Kisnorbo did clip him or push him (which imo he didn't) it was a freekick and not a penalty because he was nowhere near Sharp once he got into the area. It spoilt my Saturday but at the end of the day it was given and we now have to move on and hope we can get three points on Saturday.
Ric Flair Posted 7 April 2008 Posted 7 April 2008 I've just seen the decision again, it is one of the worst decisions i've seen. Even worse than the one against Ipswich, both outside the area as well when any contact was made, yet penalties given and red cards. Disgraceful, the way Pike handled it as well. He should be sacked and never allowed to referee again. If we go down, I know we've not been good enough all season but decisions like that and other soft penalties that teams have been given against us is not on. It shouldn't be happening in a sport where there's so much money involved. Money has ruined this sport, but you'd have thought at the very least they could develop a system that prevents shit like this from happening, not just once but over half a dozen times this season in our case.
Benji Posted 7 April 2008 Posted 7 April 2008 Anyone who thinks that was a penalty is out of their mind and the video footage proves it. Sharp didn't go down until he has clear and if Kisnorbo did clip him or push him (which imo he didn't) it was a freekick and not a penalty because he was nowhere near Sharp once he got into the area. It spoilt my Saturday but at the end of the day it was given and we now have to move on and hope we can get three points on Saturday. Have to agree with that I hate LCFC making and using excuses as much as the next fan but NEVER a penalty When they're next to each other they're outside the area and so whether there's contact or not, its a freekick. Sharp doesn't dive until there's daylight between him and paddy and in the area on his own.
Dr The Singh Posted 7 April 2008 Posted 7 April 2008 Have to agree with thatI hate LCFC making and using excuses as much as the next fan but NEVER a penalty When they're next to each other they're outside the area and so whether there's contact or not, its a freekick. Sharp doesn't dive until there's daylight between him and paddy and in the area on his own. I just watched it from a link on the other thread, free kick outside the box at most, yellow card for booth Kisnorbo and SHarpe!!
mancunianfox Posted 7 April 2008 Posted 7 April 2008 I just watched it from a link on the other thread, free kick outside the box at most, yellow card for booth Kisnorbo and SHarpe!! Why would you have carded both players?
Dr The Singh Posted 7 April 2008 Posted 7 April 2008 Why would you have carded both players? One for diving (SHarpe), the other for a foul outside the box, Kisnorbo did tug him back, yes it would be harsh as it was only an arm over his shoulder very briefly, but acceptable in todays football!!!
mancunianfox Posted 7 April 2008 Posted 7 April 2008 One for diving (SHarpe), the other for a foul outside the box, Kisnorbo did tug him back, yes it would be harsh as it was only an arm over his shoulder very briefly, but acceptable in todays football!!! Kisnorbo didn't do anything that you don't see all the time. I don't see how you can give a foul and a dive though. There is either one or the other and in this case it should have been Sharp who picked up a yellow.
Dr The Singh Posted 7 April 2008 Posted 7 April 2008 Kisnorbo didn't do anything that you don't see all the time. I don't see how you can give a foul and a dive though. There is either one or the other and in this case it should have been Sharp who picked up a yellow. I agree but they do get given, like I say it would have been harsh, i've seen some terrible officiating this season, probably the worst i've seen in my life, unfortunately we have bore the brunt of it recently!!
DB11 Posted 7 April 2008 Posted 7 April 2008 Ollie says it's the worst decision he's seen in a long time He says that every week
Brainy Posted 7 April 2008 Posted 7 April 2008 Ollie says it's the worst decision he's seen in a long time He says that every week I cant really remember the other incidents very well but this one was the worst ive seen. Ollie is on Big League Weekend 2 on SS1 btw.
DB11 Posted 7 April 2008 Posted 7 April 2008 I cant really remember the other incidents very well but this one was the worst ive seen. The last Kisnorbo sending off (Ipswich away) When we had 4 disallowed goals and the Ref didn't give that passback Just two off the top of my head
syston_fox Posted 7 April 2008 Posted 7 April 2008 The last Kisnorbo sending off (Ipswich away)When we had 4 disallowed goals and the Ref didn't give that passback Just two off the top of my head Cant remember which game it was but they were all miles offside
Chrysalis Posted 7 April 2008 Posted 7 April 2008 lot of luck in football, bad luck in this game and good luck in the wba game.
Chrysalis Posted 7 April 2008 Posted 7 April 2008 On the technology etc. I agree it should be brought in I have been arguing this with friends for years, every week mistakes are made whether deliberate or mistakingly and as far as our club is concerned there is good and bad luck but as far as dissallowed goals and penalties go I would say we have easily had more bad luck then good luck this season, There is a very thin like between success and failure, Jeff on sky sports last saturday pointed out colchester have scored more goals than bristol city but the difference in league position is unreal. Sheff wed is not the same as leeds, leeds lost their game in question whilst sheff wed got a point with a loanee scoring their goal so I believe sheff wed should have had that point taken from them and the other team awarded the win. The only argument I keep hearing against technology is it will slow down the game but in all honestly decisions like penalties are often delayed anyway with players arguing etc. so by the time time all that is done the tv replay would have been done and a decision made. I think the real reason it not been brought in is at current results are been manipulated and that would become harder with technology.
DanTheFoxBhoy Posted 8 April 2008 Posted 8 April 2008 A fourth official should be compulsory who can watch replays and advise the ref. How awesome would it be to be watching the feed that the fourth official is watching and then waiting intensely for him to make his call on whether the ball has entered the goal / someone has been decked in the area etc.
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